The reason behind Favre's inaccuracy...

[mission]

... is that his mechanics are getting worse and worse. it's not necessarily his decision making.

he slings the ball sidearm and it's getting really bad. any time you bring the ball low, it's going to have the tendency to rise. that's why QBs spend so much time on mechanics... given how hard balls are thrown, the nose has to be going down.

i know this thread isnt exactly bill nye the science guy and you had no clue but it just pisses me off that something so obvious isn't being worked on. yes he's a vet, but getting back to fundamentals would help so much. he's never had great mechanics but i can see an obvious slip in release point this season.

[Tony Oday]

Havent his fundamentals always sucked? I agree though he needs to narrow down those passes again. I mean he hits a target you couldnt hit with a laser beam but then misses a wide open guy! frusterating!

But how can you be mad at 340 yards 3 TDs and a pick?

[Packnut]

Re: The reason behind Favre's inaccuracy...

... is that his mechanics are getting worse and worse. it's not necessarily his decision making.

he slings the ball sidearm and it's getting really bad. any time you bring the ball low, it's going to have the tendency to rise. that's why QBs spend so much time on mechanics... given how hard balls are thrown, the nose has to be going down.

i know this thread isnt exactly bill nye the science guy and you had no clue but it just pisses me off that something so obvious isn't being worked on. yes he's a vet, but getting back to fundamentals would help so much. he's never had great mechanics but i can see an obvious slip in release point this season.

May-be you should sit down and watch yesterday's game over again and PAY ATTENTION this time! Favre had a defender in his face all game long. Pretty tough to be accurate when your on the run as he was. You guys are just amazing. Put the blame where it belongs and that's on an offensive line that can't passs block.

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Havent his fundamentals always sucked? I agree though he needs to narrow down those passes again. I mean he hits a target you couldnt hit with a laser beam but then misses a wide open guy! frusterating!

But how can you be mad at 340 yards 3 TDs and a pick?

he's a HOF quarterback and my expectations for him are going to be as high as possible. ive watched every game of his entire career and it's not arm strength that's his problem. his mechancis are just MORE lazy than they have ever been.

i saw 5-6 passes that he needs to hit and has hit consistently in the past. as i said, i know favre has never had the best mechanics but this year they are notably worse. the ball is VERY low in release point (come on, i used to coach QBs) which will not only get the ball sailing more, but mark my words, will also lead to unnecessary fumbles from pressure. the last thing we need.

[mission]

Re: The reason behind Favre's inaccuracy...

... is that his mechanics are getting worse and worse. it's not necessarily his decision making.

he slings the ball sidearm and it's getting really bad. any time you bring the ball low, it's going to have the tendency to rise. that's why QBs spend so much time on mechanics... given how hard balls are thrown, the nose has to be going down.

i know this thread isnt exactly bill nye the science guy and you had no clue but it just pisses me off that something so obvious isn't being worked on. yes he's a vet, but getting back to fundamentals would help so much. he's never had great mechanics but i can see an obvious slip in release point this season.

May-be you should sit down and watch yesterday's game over again and PAY ATTENTION this time! Favre had a defender in his face all game long. Pretty tough to be accurate when your on the run as he was. You guys are just amazing. Put the blame where it belongs and that's on an offensive line that can't passs block.

that's fine but hit the open pass when he's NOT pressured.

im not trying to generalize for the game as you insinuate. i thought favre played great and i had an awesome time watching him. hell, we lost because of our inability to play cohesively in the defensive backfield.

if you read my thread, im talking about overthrowing passes... not why favre didnt have 450 yards passing or why we lost or why we need to trade favre.

dont read too far into my post.

im his biggest supporter ever and think he's easily our best talent at the position. by 4 aaron rodgers at least.

"you guys"... bah... follow along, pal.

[retailguy]

Re: The reason behind Favre's inaccuracy...

im his biggest supporter ever

Hmmm... MMhmmmm. Yes. Ok.

[Packnut]

Re: The reason behind Favre's inaccuracy...

... is that his mechanics are getting worse and worse. it's not necessarily his decision making.

he slings the ball sidearm and it's getting really bad. any time you bring the ball low, it's going to have the tendency to rise. that's why QBs spend so much time on mechanics... given how hard balls are thrown, the nose has to be going down.

i know this thread isnt exactly bill nye the science guy and you had no clue but it just pisses me off that something so obvious isn't being worked on. yes he's a vet, but getting back to fundamentals would help so much. he's never had great mechanics but i can see an obvious slip in release point this season.

May-be you should sit down and watch yesterday's game over again and PAY ATTENTION this time! Favre had a defender in his face all game long. Pretty tough to be accurate when your on the run as he was. You guys are just amazing. Put the blame where it belongs and that's on an offensive line that can't passs block.

that's fine but hit the open pass when he's NOT pressured.

im not trying to generalize for the game as you insinuate. i thought favre played great and i had an awesome time watching him. hell, we lost because of our inability to play cohesively in the defensive backfield.

if you read my thread, im talking about overthrowing passes... not why favre didnt have 450 yards passing or why we lost or why we need to trade favre.

dont read too far into my post.

im his biggest supporter ever and think he's easily our best talent at the position. by 4 aaron rodgers at least.

"you guys"... bah... follow along, pal.

The guy throws for over 300 yds and 3 tds and you start a topic about a couple of bad throws. Do you have any idea of how ridiculous that is?

[retailguy]

Re: The reason behind Favre's inaccuracy...

The guy throws for over 300 yds and 3 tds and you start a topic about a couple of bad throws. Do you have any idea of how ridiculous that is?

No, Packnut, he doesn't. He expects him to be perfect. That is what a players biggest supporter does - expects perfection.

Favre has never been, and will never be, perfect. You win with the sword, you die by the sword. You take the 5 boneheaded plays when he throws 300yds and 3 tds, and you LIVE WITH THEM.

The games where he throws for 150 yards with 5 or 6 interceptions will always be a bit tough to take, however, it seems to be happening more often these past few years. As the talent level declines around him, or the experience factor, whichever you choose, that is seemingly inevitable.

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it happened like 5-6 times yesterday.

it's not rediculous to start a thread about that. his mechanics are twice as lazy as i have ever seen them. we didnt convert on downs we needed to and as far as im concerned, passing for a million yards and a hundred touchdowns WITHOUT A WIN is still a losing effort and not good enough. QBs get judged by one thing and one thing only. im glad we all feel for favre and im glad he's gonna walk out of his career with bigtime statistic records but ultimately im making conversation, not calling for his head. if he plays like he did yesterday every game then we're gonna have a positively surprising season. juice by that!

if raynor would have gone 2-4 but kicked a game winner and i started a thread about why he missed the other two (because he wore the left shoe on the right foot for the two misses) then it'd be pertinent. am i throwing the guy under the bus? no.

am i wasting some time at work to bring up a valid point that will only get worse this year unless its corrected? yes.

i dont see a lot of whining and bitching in my post which is ultimately what you're berrating me for.

that is, aside from some of the replies.

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Re: The reason behind Favre's inaccuracy...

[quote="retailguy"]

The guy throws for over 300 yds and 3 tds and you start a topic about a couple of bad throws. Do you have any idea of how ridiculous that is?

No, Packnut, he doesn't. He expects him to be perfect. That is what a players biggest supporter does - expects perfection.quote]

Biggest supporters don't have to sit there and say "oh his mechanics are perfect"... I support him in that I would never ever ever boo the guy. In fact, I made the comment at work that i would boo jesus christ before i booed brett favre... almost lost the job for that one. I support him in that it would literally HURT my stomach if i saw him play for another team. I support him in that if he got lost to a season ending injury i might actually pussy up and cry about it. I support him in that I support him.

There was no critical tone in my post just an observation that I thought might spark a little conversation. Obviously people expect discussion to either be PRO Favre or PRO trade and I'm talking neither.

You guys are extremists on this topic...

[run pMc]

I'm sure mechanics are part of the problem, as are the pass protection and the fact that somebody replaced the stick-um with cement.

It's a tricky thing...QB's have to thread a needle with a 300lb guy in their face, receivers have to adjust to the ball if it's a little off the mark. Plenty of blame to go around, but the drops were unacceptable...extra time after practice with the Juggs machine this week should be mandatory.

Don't know how much time Favre spent with McCarthy's "QB school", and with the offseason it's possible his mechanics have worsened. I'd imagine if there was something way off in his mechanics yesterday, M3 will spot it in the film session and get adjusted. Even so, I think he was 31-55 yesterday, so his accuracy wasn't terrible.

I'm waiting for the game where Favre doesn't throw a pick...how long has that been?

[mission]

I'm sure mechanics are part of the problem, as are the pass protection and the fact that somebody replaced the stick-um with cement.

It's a tricky thing...QB's have to thread a needle with a 300lb guy in their face, receivers have to adjust to the ball if it's a little off the mark. Plenty of blame to go around, but the drops were unacceptable...extra time after practice with the Juggs machine this week should be mandatory.

Don't know how much time Favre spent with McCarthy's "QB school", and with the offseason it's possible his mechanics have worsened. I'd imagine if there was something way off in his mechanics yesterday, M3 will spot it in the film session and get adjusted. Even so, I think he was 31-55 yesterday, so his accuracy wasn't terrible.

I'm waiting for the game where Favre doesn't throw a pick...how long has that been?

See, now that's what I'm trying to talk about here.

The thread wasn't "The reason why Favre had a horrible game" or "the reason he passed for 340 yards and 3 tds" ... I just noticed a few times his arm getting really really low and those happened to be the handful of passes that went high. Simple cause and effect.

That's all. Maybe I made too much of it but hell, I was pretty happy with the game aside from some mishaps.

[mmmdk]

Re: The reason behind Favre's inaccuracy...

... is that his mechanics are getting worse and worse. it's not necessarily his decision making.

he slings the ball sidearm and it's getting really bad. any time you bring the ball low, it's going to have the tendency to rise. that's why QBs spend so much time on mechanics... given how hard balls are thrown, the nose has to be going down.

i know this thread isnt exactly bill nye the science guy and you had no clue but it just pisses me off that something so obvious isn't being worked on. yes he's a vet, but getting back to fundamentals would help so much. he's never had great mechanics but i can see an obvious slip in release point this season.

May-be you should sit down and watch yesterday's game over again and PAY ATTENTION this time! Favre had a defender in his face all game long. Pretty tough to be accurate when your on the run as he was. You guys are just amazing. Put the blame where it belongs and that's on an offensive line that can't passs block.

Gladly that I can agree with someone. Favre was NOT the problem yesterday.

[Willard]

I have no problem with somebody starting a thread to talk about observations of Favre's mechanics. Ridiculous? Not at all. Maybe more ridiculous is the thinking that only 100% pro-Favre threads are welcome in the PackerRats forum. As for Favre's performance: he did pretty well under pretty heavy pressure, and suffered from a lot of drops. I felt his worse throws occurred in the last drive. For example, the 4th and 10 pass was uncatchable. It sailed over the head of Fergie, and was one of his ultra fast balls. Way too much velocity. If somebody wants to offer an opinion on what caused that type of pass I will definitely read it and determine for myself if the explanation has any merit.

[mmmdk]

I have no problem with somebody starting a thread to talk about observations of Favre's mechanics. Ridiculous? Not at all. Maybe more ridiculous is the thinking that only 100% pro-Favre threads are welcome in the PackerRats forum. As for Favre's performance: he did pretty well under pretty heavy pressure, and suffered from a lot of drops. I felt his worse throws occurred in the last drive. For example, the 4th and 10 pass was uncatchable. It sailed over the head of Fergie, and was one of his ultra fast balls. Way too much velocity. If somebody wants to offer an opinion on what caused that type of pass I will definitely read it and determine for myself if the explanation has any merit.

You have good points. Still, Favre is not flawless, he never has been.Yes he made mistakes yesterday. But please, Favre was not the reason we lost. Favre is not the reason we lack talent. Don't blame it on youth either, blame it on lack of talent. I enjoy watching Hawk and Jennings plus I believe Rodgers has a shot at being a good NFL QB. Other than those - who brings promise? Next years draft picks do!