Fire Kurt Schottenheimer thread

[Patler]

Why do I see people here (and elsewhere) calling for Lionel Washington to be promoted? He's been there throughout the process of undeveloping Ahmad Carroll. What makes anyone think he'd do better if he were promoted?

Packer DBs have universal identified Washington as a good coach who helps them. He has been here for 7 years with increasing responsibilities, but has yet to be the man in charge of the secondary. It's time for him to take that step, if not in GB than somewhere else.

[VegasPackFan]

I must echo Patler's post above.

He seems to be highly respected by the players, and he played the position.

[MacCool606]

And, if you remember the McKenzie saga, he painted Washington as the poster boy of someone who is qualified and continuelly passed over for the promotion.
MM hired a known imcompatent over an unknown possibility

[mission]

I think they'll give him a break this week because if the new nickelback gets torched 3 times (which, sadly would still be an improvement over last week), then they blame it on a new player being in there and needing to acclimate to the first team. Then everyone will blame TT for firing Carroll and putting a kid in there.

MJ (et all) - check out this article - it's long otherwise I'd copy/paste. Call me naive or ignorant (or both) - but I didn't know Lionel Washington is responsible for nickle and cornerbacks while Schottenheimer is responsible for safeties.

So really, who's to blame for a poor secondary that has issues w/ communication? I say the structure has to be included. I want positional coaches who are in constant communication and could do each other's job in a second. With that type of redundancy, players and coaches alike would understand and communicate more effectively.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=510404

how the hell can there be authority division within the secondary? no wonder there are huge communication issues -- you have a guy coaching 1/2 of the coverage and another guy coaching the other 1/2. that seems incredibly stupid and just begging for a further divide between the unit.

stating the obvious, i know, but forcryinoutloud... i just cant get over this.

[Fosco33]

I think they'll give him a break this week because if the new nickelback gets torched 3 times (which, sadly would still be an improvement over last week), then they blame it on a new player being in there and needing to acclimate to the first team. Then everyone will blame TT for firing Carroll and putting a kid in there.

MJ (et all) - check out this article - it's long otherwise I'd copy/paste. Call me naive or ignorant (or both) - but I didn't know Lionel Washington is responsible for nickle and cornerbacks while Schottenheimer is responsible for safeties.

So really, who's to blame for a poor secondary that has issues w/ communication? I say the structure has to be included. I want positional coaches who are in constant communication and could do each other's job in a second. With that type of redundancy, players and coaches alike would understand and communicate more effectively.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=510404

how the hell can there be authority division within the secondary? no wonder there are huge communication issues -- you have a guy coaching 1/2 of the coverage and another guy coaching the other 1/2. that seems incredibly stupid and just begging for a further divide between the unite.

stating the obvious, i know, but forcryinoutloud... i just cant get over this.

I agree.

Does anyone know what other teams do in terms of having a safety coach and a CB/Nickle coach?

I understand having positional coaches is common - but you'd think there would be one guy over the secondary - someone responsible.

[Tony Oday]

I think they'll give him a break this week because if the new nickelback gets torched 3 times (which, sadly would still be an improvement over last week), then they blame it on a new player being in there and needing to acclimate to the first team. Then everyone will blame TT for firing Carroll and putting a kid in there.

MJ (et all) - check out this article - it's long otherwise I'd copy/paste. Call me naive or ignorant (or both) - but I didn't know Lionel Washington is responsible for nickle and cornerbacks while Schottenheimer is responsible for safeties.

So really, who's to blame for a poor secondary that has issues w/ communication? I say the structure has to be included. I want positional coaches who are in constant communication and could do each other's job in a second. With that type of redundancy, players and coaches alike would understand and communicate more effectively.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=510404

how the hell can there be authority division within the secondary? no wonder there are huge communication issues -- you have a guy coaching 1/2 of the coverage and another guy coaching the other 1/2. that seems incredibly stupid and just begging for a further divide between the unite.

stating the obvious, i know, but forcryinoutloud... i just cant get over this.

I agree.

Does anyone know what other teams do in terms of having a safety coach and a CB/Nickle coach?

I understand having positional coaches is common - but you'd think there would be one guy over the secondary - someone responsible.

not for sure but I think the Vikings have a coach for EVERY position I seem to remember the local talk radio guys Pa and Dubay saying that there are a ton of coaches there

[Rastak]

I think they'll give him a break this week because if the new nickelback gets torched 3 times (which, sadly would still be an improvement over last week), then they blame it on a new player being in there and needing to acclimate to the first team. Then everyone will blame TT for firing Carroll and putting a kid in there.

MJ (et all) - check out this article - it's long otherwise I'd copy/paste. Call me naive or ignorant (or both) - but I didn't know Lionel Washington is responsible for nickle and cornerbacks while Schottenheimer is responsible for safeties.

So really, who's to blame for a poor secondary that has issues w/ communication? I say the structure has to be included. I want positional coaches who are in constant communication and could do each other's job in a second. With that type of redundancy, players and coaches alike would understand and communicate more effectively.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=510404

how the hell can there be authority division within the secondary? no wonder there are huge communication issues -- you have a guy coaching 1/2 of the coverage and another guy coaching the other 1/2. that seems incredibly stupid and just begging for a further divide between the unite.

stating the obvious, i know, but forcryinoutloud... i just cant get over this.

I agree.

Does anyone know what other teams do in terms of having a safety coach and a CB/Nickle coach?

I understand having positional coaches is common - but you'd think there would be one guy over the secondary - someone responsible.

not for sure but I think the Vikings have a coach for EVERY position I seem to remember the local talk radio guys Pa and Dubay saying that there are a ton of coaches there

Yea, after having the smallest coaching staff in the league last year (Thanks Red), including NO offensive line coach they now have 21 coaches, most in the league I think.....including 2 offensive line coaches.

[Merlin]

Does anyone have any pull with the Packers? I can throw in a keg of Leinenkugel's to whoever fires Shottenheimer.

[Partial]

I guess I don't see how all the blame can go out schotty. Our corners play man to man, so I don't think there needs to be a whole lot of teaching there for 20ish years of NFL experience with the starting corners. The safeties do look awful though, and that is his job to teach them where to be,

[pbmax]

I think they'll give him a break this week because if the new nickelback gets torched 3 times (which, sadly would still be an improvement over last week), then they blame it on a new player being in there and needing to acclimate to the first team. Then everyone will blame TT for firing Carroll and putting a kid in there.

MJ (et all) - check out this article - it's long otherwise I'd copy/paste. Call me naive or ignorant (or both) - but I didn't know Lionel Washington is responsible for nickle and cornerbacks while Schottenheimer is responsible for safeties.

So really, who's to blame for a poor secondary that has issues w/ communication? I say the structure has to be included. I want positional coaches who are in constant communication and could do each other's job in a second. With that type of redundancy, players and coaches alike would understand and communicate more effectively.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=510404

how the hell can there be authority division within the secondary? no wonder there are huge communication issues -- you have a guy coaching 1/2 of the coverage and another guy coaching the other 1/2. that seems incredibly stupid and just begging for a further divide between the unit.

stating the obvious, i know, but forcryinoutloud... i just cant get over this.

It seemed to work last year. While DBs praise Washington, I think its an open question how effective he is.

He had mild success with Slowik and Baker, but has been part of a catastrophe with Schott.

I don't think it possible to conclude he is the answer, because even with Slowik and Baker, our pass coverage was pretty mediocre.

[BooHoo]

He is history after the season. I hope the bears hiring him.

[LaFours]

bump.

How did this make it all the way to the 4th page. I thought it needed refreshed.

Anybody got that "dead horse" emoticon to attach?

[Tony Oday]

[Freak Out]

I hate our D, I think the WRONG coaches are in place and its not just Sheitenhamer. I want to see toughness. I want to see fear.