More Banjo - Packers at Cowboys

[Fritz]

That a bullshit thing to say. While I’m not one of them. There are plenty of knowledgeable posters on this forum. Kiss ass if you want to, but don’t diss on everybody here.

My opinion. Besides, dissing on other posters is not uncommon around here anyway, no?

I enjoy the vast majority of posters here, but I find Joe and Patler and PB to be more even-keeled than most. They use stats and reason. I like that in the context that most of us - myself included - often do not.

As for the ST stuff, it is interesting to listen to Justis Mosqueda talk about the ins and outs of it all. Using a reserve reserve lineman (Banks) that just got signed and called up on the ST blocking protection unit can be seen as either due to the injuries on the line and just unfortunate, or as The Flower's unwillingness to use Jenkins in those situations. Eithe way, you still have all the long punt or kick returns by opponents, and a lack of a solid return guy on the Packers' side. Bisaccia at fault there? Guter or The Flower for refusing to use a dedicated roster spot for a professional returner?

[CaptainKickass]

Bill Huber
@BillHuberNFL

Sunday's game was the 83rd game in franchise history in which the #Packers scored 40-plus points. They are 80-2-1 in those games.

And if it makes anyone else feel a little better, here's an interesting thing:

The Packers have put a permanent blemish on the Dallas Cowboys record...

As of October 1, 2025, teams that score 40 or more points at home and do not turn the ball over are undefeated in the Super Bowl era, with a record of 300-0-1, including playoffs. The only blemish on this record was a tie involving the Dallas Cowboys (& the Green Bay Packers!)

[MadtownPacker]

My opinion. Besides, dissing on other posters is not uncommon around here anyway, no?

I enjoy the vast majority of posters here, but I find Joe and Patler and PB to be more even-keeled than most. They use stats and reason. I like that in the context that most of us - myself included - often do not.

As for the ST stuff, it is interesting to listen to Justis Mosqueda talk about the ins and outs of it all. Using a reserve reserve lineman (Banks) that just got signed and called up on the ST blocking protection unit can be seen as either due to the injuries on the line and just unfortunate, or as The Flower's unwillingness to use Jenkins in those situations. Eithe way, you still have all the long punt or kick returns by opponents, and a lack of a solid return guy on the Packers' side. Bisaccia at fault there? Guter or The Flower for refusing to use a dedicated roster spot for a professional returner?

You’re welcome to it. I’m saying it’s bullshit to talk down on the homies is all. Yeah a couple of them are pendejos. But just about everyone adds something to the mix here. Ironically I consider you one of the knowledgeable posters. You’re very well balanced with your mix of comedy and knowledge. Doesn’t appear you use Google or social media to state your case just your your memory, your balls, and your opinion. All of them are awesome

I’ve got a lot of love for you man. Just like every other longtime poster here and yes, that includes Tex and antipolartank.

[texaspackerbacker]

Surprisingly little has been said in here about the bad officiating. Obviously there was the no call of pass interference on the pass to Wicks. I saw this video on YouTube, though, about repeated holding on the Cowboys O Line that wasn't called. And that call against Jenkins was something supposedly Centers do all the time.

[mgordo]

Surprisingly little has been said in here about the bad officiating. Obviously there was the no call of pass interference on the pass to Wicks. I saw this video on YouTube, though, about repeated holding on the Cowboys O Line that wasn't called. And that call against Jenkins was something supposedly Centers do all the time.

The no call on the intentional grounding that should have been called when there was no receiver any where near the area also hurt on the last Dallas drive.

I'm also fine being lumped in with emotional posting on game day threads. I get pissed off and yell at the TV. It's what I grew up with and I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

The group is right about special teams constantly being a problem with being one of the youngest teams in the league year in and year out. Playing 2nd and 3rd stringers is on the coaches though. If they can't get it done, coaching needs to adjust.

On the Jordan Love train, a lot of times I agree with Skinbasket but then Love goes and has a clean game here and there. However he just keeps making mistakes with accuracy or throws to a spot, gets picked. We have just been so spoiled with Hall of Fame quarterbacking for so long, that when we see average to bad mistakes it sticks out like a sore thumb. Is he good, yes. Is he great, not yet and nothing I've seen so far this year has changed that.

[falco]

I enjoy the vast majority of posters here, but I find Joe and Patler and PB to be more even-keeled than most. They use stats and reason. I like that in the context that most of us - myself included - often do not.

I'm team Fritz on this one... those 3 keep me coming back to this place, even when I'm not posting for years at a time.

[George Cumby]

I agonize over the special teams disasters week after week but I have to also acknowledge that a part of that comes from the teams youth. If you look at the Packers depth, they are usually one of the younger teams in the NFL. With that youth comes inexperience. Especially on blocking and coverage units for special teams. Lets face it, if the Packers are going to go with the speed and the athletic ability that youth provides, we are going to see the occasional breakdown on special teams.

Apparently it's a league-wide thing this year; six punt returns for TD's so far this season, as many as ALL of last season. There's been a ton of blocked FG's and PAT's, 20+, I think?

It's not isolated to the Packers.

[Fritz]

You’re welcome to it. I’m saying it’s bullshit to talk down on the homies is all. Yeah a couple of them are pendejos. But just about everyone adds something to the mix here. Ironically I consider you one of the knowledgeable posters. You’re very well balanced with your mix of comedy and knowledge. Doesn’t appear you use Google or social media to state your case just your your memory, your balls, and your opinion. All of them are awesome

I’ve got a lot of love for you man. Just like every other longtime poster here and yes, that includes Tex and antipolartank.

You know I love this place and the people in it. And you make it all happen. So - enough on that topic.

Onto special teams: listening to and reading Justis Mosqueda, he posits that it's the Packers' draft and development strategy that contributes to the poor special teams. That LeFleur uses ST as a training ground for the rookies because the NFL players' contract really limits practice time.

And we all crow about the Packers being the youngest team in the league, but when you look at the numbers, the Packers are only 2.86 years younger than the oldest team in the league, the Commandos. Who really should've called themselves the "Foreskins" so they could have kept part of their old name. And the Packers are only one year younger than the Pubic Bears, who are at the midpoint in the age rankings. So how much does being a "young" team mean, really? It's not like the Packers are playing George Allen's old "Over the Hill Gang" teams.

Secondly, isn't nearly every team a "draft and develop team" any more? You can't buy a whole roster. And yes, other teams use veterans more than the Packers do on special teams. But surely rookies are on other teams' ST units as well, as that is how all teams must get most of their talent.

George Cumby mentioned that there is a league-wide increase in long punt returns and kick returns and blocked punts or kicks, so maybe it's not just the Packers. Interesting thought but I don't agree. First, someone posted in a thread recently the Packers' ST rankings since about 2011 - and they have been - and still are THIS SEASON - at the bottom of the rankings. Their best showing - far above any other year's ranking - was 2015, when they ranked about the middle of the league. That was their absolute best, by far. The rest of the time they're in the bottom three or four teams inthe league. As they are again this season. Secondly, if all those incidents are up - blocked kicks, long returns - where are the Packers' long returns and blocked kicks? They ain't making it happen despite the rules changes that seem to encourage such things.

So I don't know what to think, really, except I think Bisaccia gets more say in roster construction that past ST coaches, and I think other NFL teams also use rookies pretty often on ST - surely Green Bay is not the only team using rookies there to give them developmental opportunities.

So in sum, I do think letting Bisaccia off the hook is not really the correct conclusion to draw from the Packers' sucky ST play.

[Sparkey]

2.86 years = 47 potential games played experience.

[sharpe1027]

I'm team Fritz on this one... those 3 keep me coming back to this place, even when I'm not posting for years at a time.

For me, it's the free chips.

[run pMc]

On the XP kick, 41 (Ezeiraku sp?) chops down on Banks' right arm, which is what he's supposed to stick out. Musgrave is also supposed to sit and anchor instead of lunging forward, so his backside provides resistance. Since there was none, it was a clear lane through.

I see a LOT of teams line 6 rushers to one side, the kicking team apparently has some limits in how they can line up to block. Banks and Musgrave being asked to block 3 players is a big ask IMO and when the first XP was almost blocked Bisaccia should have noticed and adjusted.
It's entirely possible to say that ST has cost this team 2 wins, and they are 4 games into the season. That's... pretty bad. Also bad - CLE's ST have been a shambles, and they outplayed GB's. There are teams with good ST's, GB better use the bye to fix things or it will be Maurice Drayton all over again.

MLF is generally a sharp guy and good at offensive scheming, but I am very concerned about his in-game decision making and clock management. I think the last two games have also highlighted issues there. Someone is either not doing their job as an assistant or in-game analyst type by getting him good info/advice, or MLF is getting that advise and ignoring it.

The tackling was atrocious and secondary was very bad vs. the Cowboys. I love Edgerrin Cooper but he is missing tackles at a very high rate. Xavier McKinney is likely to be found on a milk carton, and Hobbs/Valentine were capital-T Terrible. A lot of uncalled holding and a lot of 3 step drop stuff, but Dak played like he was blacked out of his mind. The defense could not get off the field, but if you are giving up 8-12 yard hitches every down that's what happens.
Hafley and Co. needed to adjust. 1st 20 minutes - 0 points given up, all downhill after that.

Finally -- Luke Musgrave. I know with all the time he's missed he's basically a 2nd year player, and TE's take a while to develop on the pro level, but my goodness there's not a lot of ROI on that R2 pick. He's not a good blocker, and if you aren't going to basically play him as a big slot receiver or just send him deep IDK how he fits in MLF's offense or on this team. I had hoped with Watson and Reed out they would feature the TEs more but that's not happening. I hope he comes on this season and proves me wrong but I'm not optimistic.