Gary traded to COWBOYS

[Bretsky]

Rashan Gary played above average for the 12th pick in the 1st round of the draft???
Not even close.

Would it be fair for all of us to just agree he was disappointing for pick #12 and the detractors were right

We'lll be saying the SAME THING soon for LUCAS VAN LESS

[sharpe1027]

Rashan Gary played above average for the 12th pick in the 1st round of the draft???
Not even close.

You might be surprised. I didn't do any analysis before my post, but the 12th overall pick includes guy like Henry Ruggs III, Deshaun Watson, Sheldon Rankins, and Danny Shelton.

It also includes guys like Micah Parsons and Bo Nix, but h only needs to be better than half to be above average and he might be at least close to that.

[pbmax]

Rashan Gary played above average for the 12th pick in the 1st round of the draft???
Not even close.

I think you are overestimating the performance of the 12th draft pick. If he's not a flat bust he is already in the top half of 12th picks historically.

The first Pro Bowl was well earned. The second was based on a half season then he was injured I think. But he was having a good season while it lasted. He signed his second contract after that year.

He was an athletic projection but he hit that mark for 2 years and then fell way off after his injury. Its not that uncommon. He wasn't a bust.

If we put our mind to it, can come up with a lot of better candidates for over drafted pass rushers than Gary. This wasn't a draft flub but it might be argued the second contract was not worth the risk after the injury.

[Fritz]

Would it be fair for all of us to just agree he was disappointing for pick #12 and the detractors were right

We'lll be saying the SAME THING soon for LUCAS VAN LESS

If it plays out like so many Packer sagas seem to, the story isn't quite at that point - yet. First he has to have a breakout season this year, earning a big contract extension. He'll miss a few games, but that won't be enough to make anyone hesitate much about an extension. Then the following season he'll start strong, then get hurt, then come back and be "meh," and so on and so on and so on.

OR they trade him and a third for Sweat, and THEN Van Mess goes on to have a brilliant injurty-free career.

[Bretsky]

I think you are overestimating the performance of the 12th draft pick. If he's not a flat bust he is already in the top half of 12th picks historically.

The first Pro Bowl was well earned. The second was based on a half season then he was injured I think. But he was having a good season while it lasted. He signed his second contract after that year.

He was an athletic projection but he hit that mark for 2 years and then fell way off after his injury. Its not that uncommon. He wasn't a bust.

If we put our mind to it, can come up with a lot of better candidates for over drafted pass rushers than Gary. This wasn't a draft flub but it might be argued the second contract was not worth the risk after the injury.

There were a LOT of Sh@t picks in round one last year. I recall Bobble wanted Brian Burns; I just remember I thought Gary was a fraud.

Darnell Savage was also drafted by GB that year in round one. And Josh Jacobs by the Raiders

GUTE is overrated as a GM imo

[Patler]

Gary is #6 on the Packers' all-time list for QB sacks, and has been a solid run defender and well-respected player and person who gave the Packers no problems and represented them well. Seemed to give everything he had.

I'll take that from any draft pick.

[bobblehead]

Is it time for Fritz and I, who hated the Gary pick in the first place, to play the I told you so cards ? Lol

Yes and no. I am not sure anyone here LIKED the Gary pick. Some tried to be optimistic. I was breaking my TV because I said Sweat and Burns would be better players at the same position. I think I was right. Of course I like Andre Dillard in that same draft. I kinda whiffed on that one.

[bobblehead]

I think you are overestimating the performance of the 12th draft pick. If he's not a flat bust he is already in the top half of 12th picks historically.

The first Pro Bowl was well earned. The second was based on a half season then he was injured I think. But he was having a good season while it lasted. He signed his second contract after that year.

He was an athletic projection but he hit that mark for 2 years and then fell way off after his injury. Its not that uncommon. He wasn't a bust.

If we put our mind to it, can come up with a lot of better candidates for over drafted pass rushers than Gary. This wasn't a draft flub but it might be argued the second contract was not worth the risk after the injury.

I discount all of his success and put it on Mike White. Without him Gary is a flop. Mike White has turned a lot of 3rd round picks into better edges than Rashaan Gary.

[bobblehead]

Gary is #6 on the Packers' all-time list for QB sacks, and has been a solid run defender and well-respected player and person who gave the Packers no problems and represented them well. Seemed to give everything he had.

I'll take that from any draft pick.

That would mean more if they kept sacks as a statistic before 1982. Given a 10 year frame of good players and generally only having one sack artist at a time he is competing with about 5 players and he finished 6. I think Preston Smith might have had a better per season average with us but haven't looked it up.

[pbmax]

I discount all of his success and put it on Mike White. Without him Gary is a flop. Mike White has turned a lot of 3rd round picks into better edges than Rashaan Gary.

If you are even close to right, then we need to revisit assistant coach selection in general.

However, Mike White went through hell with the Packers, struggling with alcohol dependence. Whatever he needs to maintain he should do. Doesn't owe the Packers anything even if I would contribute (maybe) to bringing him back.

[pbmax]

That would mean more if they kept sacks as a statistic before 1982. Given a 10 year frame of good players and generally only having one sack artist at a time he is competing with about 5 players and he finished 6. I think Preston Smith might have had a better per season average with us but haven't looked it up.

Pro Football Reference has been doing work on that. They've gone back to 1960.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/sacks_career.htm

[Patler]

That would mean more if they kept sacks as a statistic before 1982. Given a 10 year frame of good players and generally only having one sack artist at a time he is competing with about 5 players and he finished 6. I think Preston Smith might have had a better per season average with us but haven't looked it up.

Be it 6th, 10th or 15th; I don't care. The point is that his on the upper portion of the list and made enough of an impact to be considered "a" or "the" leader for the Packers until Parsons' arrival. I think his "pressures" beyond the sack numbers made an impact.

[George Cumby]

Gary is #6 on the Packers' all-time list for QB sacks, and has been a solid run defender and well-respected player and person who gave the Packers no problems and represented them well. Seemed to give everything he had.

I'll take that from any draft pick.

That's actually pretty good company he's keeping. I would not have anticipated that.

[bobblehead]

If you are even close to right, then we need to revisit assistant coach selection in general.

However, Mike White went through hell with the Packers, struggling with alcohol dependence. Whatever he needs to maintain he should do. Doesn't owe the Packers anything even if I would contribute (maybe) to bringing him back.

Agree all around. I do believe coaches are really important, I just rejected the theory that paying them more automatically meant we got better quality.

And yes, White had a tough go of it by all accounts. Glad he righted the ship. Wish it had been with us.

[bobblehead]

1 Willie Davis 1960 1969 138 LDE 125 2 21 0 21 0 22 19 1 99.5 2
2 Clay Matthews 2009 2018 143 ROLB 90 6 191 2 62 41 15 1 5 109 1 83.5 356 126 121 189
3 Ezra Johnson 1977 1987 148 DE 53 0 11 0 7 0 0 82.0
4 Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila 2000 2008 124 RDE 49 1 72 1 72 11 18 0 7 0 0 74.5 225 77 74 34
5 Reggie White 1993 1998 95 LDE 94 1 46 0 46 14 2 8 12 0 68.5 239 62
6 Lionel Aldridge 1963 1971 123 RDE 71 0 1 16 44 1 62.0
7 Henry Jordan 1959 1969 139 RDT 114 1 0 0 0 0 20 67 1 59.5
8 Tim Harris 1986 1990 76 LOLB 50 0 12 0 6 28 0 55.0 422 0 2
9 Aaron Kampman 2002 2009 112 LDE 61 0 0 0 0 9 12 0 4 3 0 54.0 322 138 61 100
10 Clarence Williams 1970 1977 111 LDE 54 1 23 0 23 1 8 21 1 51.0
11 Rashan Gary 2019 2025 106 DL 40 0 0 0 0 6 7 0 8 1 0 46.5 154 117 46 111
12 Preston Smith 2019 2024 91 DE 42 1 5 0 5 14 6 1 3 18 1 44.0 162 100 42 96
13 Mike Butler 1977 1985 95 LDE 43 0 5 0 3 70 1 41.5
14 Mike Douglass 1978 1985 119 ROLB 59 10 274 1 80 32 1 16 63 2 38.0
15 Tony Bennett 1990 1993 56 RDE 23 0 7 0 4 18 1 36.0 251 0
16 Kenny Clark 2016 2024 140 DT 71 0 0 0 0 12 7 0 8 2 0 35.0 236 181 51 76



Formatting sucks, but here is PF reference on packers career leaders. And I agree Patler, Gary wasn't a bust, but I always suspected his heart wasn't in being great although they claim he practiced hard. I don't hate on him, just wish we had been able to restructure him as the Cowboys did right after the trade. He is fine. I wanted Sweat (and Burns 2nd). Because I didn't get my way I'll continue to throw a tantrum as is my right.