Sharper's Take

[Scott Campbell]

I enjoy this season as much as I do the winnign ones.

Seriously?

[run pMc]

In todays NFL its not who you lose, but who you have ready to step in to replace them, and preferably it will be someone already on the roster. Every team loses players they would prefer to keep if they could. The salary cap virtually requires it. If you aren't prepared for it, and have to scramble in the off season to find replacements, you won't always be able to do it. That was Sherman's failure with the guards.

Patler, I couldn't state it any better than that. I'd say that was Sherman's failure at several positions, not just the guards. Most people agree that Sherman the GM got Sherman the coach fired.

Replenishing that depth is something TT is working on...unfortunately, he's got to do it almost from scratch and still try to keep fans happy with W's. Losing Sharper sucked, but IIRC he was due something like $8mil and I'm not convinced he was worth it. The trouble was there wasn't anyone to step in. I mean...Earl Little, Mark Roman, and Arturo Freeman? Really?

Woodson vs. Sharper is a toss-up...it depends on which Woodson and which Sharper you're comparing. Under MOST circumstances, I'd take a Pro Bowl CB over a Pro Bowl S.

[wist43]

Sharper was never one of my favorite players, but I don't have a problem with his comments.

TT has manuevered the Packers straight to the bottom of the NFL. Of course the Packers are rebuilding, only the most blind fans would hold out hope that this is going to be a good football team.

Sharpers concern for his friends still playing on this train wreck of a team seems genuine. The players know the score - they know the Packers are rebuilding, they know the team isn't going anywhere... TT's insistance that the team isn't rebuilding is ludicrous.

[Packnut]

TT

We could debate TT for the rest of the season and not get anywhere. Both sides have valid points. No one, (unless your a total idiot) can dispute the fact that TT has made some serious mistakes as far as player evaluation goes. What he has done to the o-line should be a criminal offense.

I'm not gonna go in depth into the FA mistakes cause quite frankly, we don't know who he inquired about and who did'nt want to come to GB under any circumstances. Woodson might still be ok but Manuel was a bad signing.

So in the end, he must be judged on his picks and I agree we won't know that for another 2 yrs. I think Jennings and Spitz will turn out to be good picks. Moll is nothing but a joke and would'nt make the roster on most teams. In any event, what's done is done. This season will continue to suck and going 3-13 should'nt be a shock to anyone.

[woodbuck27]

Re: Sharper's Take

http://www.startribune.com/510/story/685792.html



And another ex player's take on TT.

BINGO ! ABSOLUTELY 100% BANG ON "THE TRUTH".

Make any scapegoat BS counter statement against Darren Sharpers correct analysis (any Packer fan... that you may so desire to make) and you might as well claim "you can walk on water" as far as I'm concerned.

I don't trust Ted Thompson, as a man of integrity or honesty. When he can't even be honest about his obvious agenda that is all about re-building OUR Team.....

In the process " the cost ".

Hanging the likes of loyal Vet's like Brett Favre,Ahman Green and Donald Driver (add Bubba Franks and William Henderson,Chad Clifton, Mark Tauscher and Rob Davis ) out to dry.

The TRUTH often hurts. Well, as Ted Thompson is so fond of saying.

"It is what it is".

[MJZiggy]

Wow, Buck, that's a LOT of guys to hang out to dry. And imagine, they're ALL starting offensive players. Eight out of eleven on offense are vets and they have no culpability or responsibility at all for the fortune of the team they're playing for. What a sweet gig that is.

edit: excuse me, Davis is special teams so 7 of 11. Still a sweet deal.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Sharper's Take

I don't trust Ted Thompson, as a man of integrity or honesty.

That is some serious contempt that you seem to have for him.

[woodbuck27]

What is this?

"a ship of fools?"

It amazes me, that anyone here could be so well conditioned (by whatever), to make their Champion ...

the " re-direct method ", in order to avoid any discussion on the content of
" the Article and it's FOCUS and merits thereof ".

I have never in my LIFE experience'd... such utter denial of the TRUTH. In such a manner,

That manner...clearly lacking in both integrity or consciounce.

How?

By resorting to methods that do everything to AVOID examining the truth of " The Darren Sharper Article " ... dealing with it's focus.

That being. Sharper's compassion for his friends / former Packer Team mates and Veteran players like Favre ,Green and Driver etc.

Poster's here would choose rather, to avoid it's contents or very existence?

How? By attacking Darren Sharper the player in Green Bay? What a joke.

Why? Why is that now?

Well, now it exists... LIVES on this thread of this FORUM.

READ the Article please.

b]Sharper sympathetic to Packers' misery[/b]

Judd Zulgad, Star Tribune

Last update: September 18, 2006 – 11:34 PM

Vikings safety Darren Sharper admits he feels bad for his former teammates with 0-2 Green Bay, but that sympathy does not extend to a front office led by General Manager Ted Thompson. The Packers are 4-14 with Thompson in charge over the past two seasons.

"I have friends over there playing, and I don't like to see them struggling like this, and it really bothers me to see Brett [Favre] struggling at the end of a legendary career," Sharper said Monday.

"But it's one of those things, if you dig your grave, and the decisions you make. ... You're going to have to deal with the consequences."

Sharper spent the first eight seasons of his career in Green Bay but left after the 2004 season following his refusal to take a pay cut from $6 million to $2 million. Also among those to leave Green Bay after that season were veteran guards Mike Wahle and Marco Rivera. Kicker Ryan Longwell joined the exodus last March, following Sharper in signing with the Vikings.

This has left the Packers in the situation of playing for the future but still having the 36-year-old Favre as their quarterback.

"You can say you're not rebuilding but then all the moves you make, it looks like you are rebuilding," Sharper said.

"You're telling all the guys that are still there like Brett and the older guys like [running back Ahman Green] that you are not rebuilding, and you have them going through this struggle with a lot of young guys who aren't experienced.

"It's kind of hard to watch the guys I know. ... To have them not reap any benefits from their work, that's hard to watch. But as far as the people up top who make the decisions, I don't feel sorry for them. You all know who makes decisions over there."

[woodbuck27]

Re: Sharper's Take

I don't trust Ted Thompson, as a man of integrity or honesty.

That is some serious contempt that you seem to have for him.

Why do you use that word, contempt,Scott?

Ted Thompson, exposes himself to what he really is Scott.

I hold no contempt ever... for a person so wrong " it flys in OUR face". What he is, is unavoidable from too many standpoints.

He's clearly guilty of deceit, and other moral and ehical obligations to the fans of the GREEN BAY Packers.

Those fans that see him as he is, that's not serving us correctly.Those fans that challenge his ways based on TRUTH.

The Darren Sharper Article = the smoking gun !!

Any member's here. Who want the rest of us here, to TRUST Ted Thompson when he's deceitful (clearly deceitful) ...can't deal with the honesty - THE TOTAL TRUTH - of the Darren Sharper Article's FOCUS or CENTRAL theme.

That article pins the tail on exactly where the Donkey's ass is.

[woodbuck27]

Wow, Buck, that's a LOT of guys to hang out to dry. And imagine, they're ALL starting offensive players. Eight out of eleven on offense are vets and they have no culpability or responsibility at all for the fortune of the team they're playing for. What a sweet gig that is.

edit: excuse me, Davis is special teams so 7 of 11. Still a sweet deal.

I challenge YOU MJZiggy to a private thread debate on the issue raised by this thread.

YOU and I alone.With normal Mod's and the membership just observing.With some proper time for YOU to prepare of course.

I desire to debate you one-on-one, over GM Ted Thompson and his integrity and honesty.

If that is allowed will YOU comply?

[MJZiggy]

There is no way in hell I'm going to get in a pissing match with you about Ted Thompson. If you want to discuss him, you can discuss him with all of us, because this is an open forum and I welcome everybody's input. It is still my opinion that it is way too early to make any conclusve decisions about what he's doing, that he's worked on some fine teambuilding efforts and that not everything that goes wrong is his fault. I also know I'm not the only one with that opinion.

[Scott Campbell]

LOL

What in the HELL are you thinking Woody? I'd want no part of her in a cage match.

[woodbuck27]

Wow, Buck, that's a LOT of guys to hang out to dry. And imagine, they're ALL starting offensive players. Eight out of eleven on offense are vets and they have no culpability or responsibility at all for the fortune of the team they're playing for. What a sweet gig that is.

edit: excuse me, Davis is special teams so 7 of 11. Still a sweet deal.

MJZiggy:

You likely read most posts that are created here;

I have been associated with YOU at the JSO's Packer forum,

the Packer Section of the C-E Forum and now at PACKERRATS.

Members have debated, hashed, re-hashed the reason's that we have only managed 4 wins in 18 regular season games since Ted Thompson.


RECORD REGULAR SEASON 2004

10 W - 6 L


2004 Postseason Schedule

Date................. Opponent........ Time... TV

Sun., Jan. 9 Minnesota Vikings 3:30 p.m. L, 17-31 ( I believe this was a turning point for us ... a new Packer direction was determined by this games result and specific events or a specific event within this games play.)

Following this early playoff Exit.

OUR GM Ted Thompson soon arrived in Green Bay as Mike Sherman was assigned to only the HC Duties.

The Packers 2005 Roster (it was soon realized) would be absent both of it's guards on one of the TOP OL's in the NFL as they were not retained by GM Ted Thompson and thus both departed via FA?

I would like to study the timing here but T2 asked S Darren Sharper to take a $4 Million reduction in Pay fr. $6 M - $2 M. He balked and left for "the Vikings" for the 2005 Season, for which his outstanding play (and that is still reported to be just that) in 2005 rewarded him with a PRO BOWL selection.

[/b]The Guards that departed were LG Mike Wahle who took about a($6 Million/Tr.) Contract with " the Carolina Panthers " and he too was selected to the Pro Bowl.

The other guard was RG Marco Rivera who signed as a FA with "Dallas". His play "in fact" wasn't good last Season and it's held that his knees are deteriorating and we saw that as a factor in allowing him to be expendable following 2004.

The reason's for OUR 4W - 12 Record in 2006 are agrred upon as:

Over the top adversity in the form of injury to OUR #1 WR JW and #3 RF and #4 WR TM. Our #1 TE...BF

#1 RB, AG #2 RB ND and replacement RB (Samkon Gado) acquired in Oct. '05 as I recall..

OUR Running game never got off the gound as we finished near the bottom of the NFL on the RUSH. (30th or so) a consequence we have agreed was due to a poor OL. We have agreed here that poor OL play created a poor ground game of about 75 yards avg./game on the ground.

The OL never got on track throughout 2005 as the FA's that Ted Thompson brought in didn't cut it nor did Rookie Draft picks Coston or Whitticker work out. Whitticker's gone and Coston hasn't started a game and it's speculated will soon be gone.

Consequent to "the fact" we had a lousy running game we are aware that Favre made the most pass's in his careerin 2005.

Year.. Team.. G. GS Att Comp Pct... Yds .YPA.. Lg... TD.. Int Rate
2002 Packers 16 16 551 341 61.9...3658 6.64. 85.. 27... 16....85.6
2003 Packers 16 16 471 308 65.4. ..3361 7.14 66. .32... 21... 90.4
2004 Packers 16 16 540 346 64.1....4088 7.57 79....30 ...17.. 92.4
2005 Packers .16.16.607 372 61.3.. 3881 6.39 59... 20.....29.. .70.

Note in 2005: 372/607 = 61.3%

23.25 comp. for 37.94 attempts (23/38) Avg. 60.5% over 16 G Sch. (2005)

Last weekend Favre was 31/55 or 56.4% for 340 yards ...

Rush net = 63 Yards and we had 20 carries or

a Total of 51 plays on Offense.


In Week 1 Favre was ....15/29 or..51.7% for 170 yards ..

Rush net = 103 Yards in 23 carries or

a Total of 53 plays on Offenseincluding Jon Ryan's 16 yard pass.

Two games Rushing = 83 Yard Avg. only slightly better than OUR 2005 Avg.

In week 2 Favre makes 55 pass's compared to only 29 pass's in week 1.

That represents 26/29 = a whopping 89.7 % more pass's in week 2 Vs. week 1.

Huge change in game plan in week 2 over week 1? The second game was put ALL on Favre's arm it would appear to me, and that is way over the TOP too much pressure to load on Brett Favre.

55 Pass's and 3 TD's and 1 pick. (340 yards passing and only 63 yards on the ground suggest's what to YOU MJ?

Did M3 have any confidence in the run? Why was that?

Did your answers have anything to do with the fact the WHOLE WORLD is aware of the condition of OUR OL?

Why after the departure of Wahle and Rivera and this Off Season Scott Wells had to replace C Mike Flanigan.. . why is OUR OL stil in terrible shape.

How are OUR Tackles performing so far this Off Season and in the 2 regular Season games MJZiggy? Why is that?

Possibly anything to do with a ZBS that noone is getting adjusted to?

So why did the Coaching staff elect to go there when prior to the ZBS OUR Tackles were rather decent ?

The Saints game placed it ALL on Favre's arm.

Fans Speak:

Who was the Packers' player of the game, Sunday Vs Saints MJZiggy?

Aaron Kampman
37%
Brett Favre
33%
Donald Driver
25%
Other
2%
Nick Collins
1%
Total Votes: 51,533

Again this supports the fact that packer fans see and appreciate what Brett Favre is doing despite Mike McCarthy's gameplan that incorporated Favre making a ridiculous 55 pass's and we know that anything over 40 spells TURNOVERS via the Interception.

Which Record /Ted Thompson want Brett Favre to break?

1.NO record.

2. The passing TD Record

3. The passing Interception Record.

4. The passing Interception Record along with the Most pass's in a Season?

Things have simply gone Mad in Green Bay.

[woodbuck27]

There is no way in hell I'm going to get in a pissing match with you about Ted Thompson. If you want to discuss him, you can discuss him with all of us, because this is an open forum and I welcome everybody's input. It is still my opinion that it is way too early to make any conclusve decisions about what he's doing, that he's worked on some fine teambuilding efforts and that not everything that goes wrong is his fault. I also know I'm not the only one with that opinion.

Nice out MJ.

I wasn't... " to use your term... suggesting a pissing match".

Rather a tool that just may cause you to have to admit that Ted Thompson isn't ALL... that you seem to crack him up to be.

You actually put the blame on Packer players when the strength of the starters and " the Teams Depth" depends on the acquisitions for OUR Team to support and augment already available talent. . .that would be "the Vets", MJ.

The foundation of the TEAM and any TEAM success.

Is founded in the OL and the DL. You can have a solid DL, but if the OL cannot enable the Teams Offense, to win the battle of the clock and to score an adequate amount of points for the teams Defense to protect against... WE LOSE ALOT !!!

Isn't that or LOSING what plays into Ted Thompson's agenda MJ?

At least, something's working.... but nothing that I as Packer fan feel we all deserve.

Wins for the Vets and some Packer Pride and Dignity.

[woodbuck27]

LOL

What in the HELL are you thinking Woody? I'd want no part of her in a cage match.

Scott.

Now your giving me idea's, that are reminding me of that HORROR Flick thread in Romper Room..... Yikessss !

Woahhh... we're NOT going there. Definitely... don't want to go there.

Uhh Uhhh