Sharper's Take

[Patler]

I don't think Wahle wanted to be a Packer. He lives in Vegas if I remember correcly, and I don't think Green Bay is his kind of town.

Green Bay...Vegas? I don't see the difference!

[Tarlam!]

I don't think Wahle wanted to be a Packer. He lives in Vegas if I remember correcly, and I don't think Green Bay is his kind of town.

Green Bay...Vegas? I don't see the difference!

OK. That is definitely BOMNF!

[woodbuck27]

Re: TT

I'd say Sharper is having the last laugh. Is that Freeman guy TT signed to replace Sharper still playing in the NFL?

My take on the Darren Sharper Article of September 18, 2006 and entitled... Sharper sympathetic to Packers' misery

First let's (again) see / read it if you'll indulge me, please:


Sharper sympathetic to Packers' misery

Judd Zulgad, Star Tribune
Last update: September 18, 2006 – 11:34 PM

Vikings safety Darren Sharper admits he feels bad for his former teammates with 0-2 Green Bay, but that sympathy does not extend to a front office led by General Manager Ted Thompson. The Packers are 4-14 with Thompson in charge over the past two seasons.

"I have friends over there playing, and I don't like to see them struggling like this, and it really bothers me to see Brett [Favre] struggling at the end of a legendary career," Sharper said Monday.

"But it's one of those things, if you dig your grave, and the decisions you make. ... You're going to have to deal with the consequences."

Sharper spent the first eight seasons of his career in Green Bay but left after the 2004 season following his refusal to take a pay cut from $6 million to $2 million. Also among those to leave Green Bay after that season were veteran guards Mike Wahle and Marco Rivera. Kicker Ryan Longwell joined the exodus last March, following Sharper in signing with the Vikings.

This has left the Packers in the situation of playing for the future but still having the 36-year-old Favre as their quarterback.

"You can say you're not rebuilding but then all the moves you make, it looks like you are rebuilding," Sharper said.

"You're telling all the guys that are still there like Brett and the older guys like [running back Ahman Green] that you are not rebuilding, and you have them going through this struggle with a lot of young guys who aren't experienced......

"It's kind of hard to watch the guys I know. ... To have them not reap any benefits from their work, that's hard to watch. But as far as the people up top who make the decisions, I don't feel sorry for them. You all know who makes decisions over there."

End Of Article ... woodbuck27

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Woodbuck27

Is there anyone on this Forum who refute's what Darren Sharper says in this Article... as NOT "the TRUTH"?

In case there are? I'll challenge YOU with the following obsevation:

I'll focus objectively on how that Article speaks... to NFL fans in general as well as Packer fans. This article goes to the heart of ALL Packer fans to examine yourselves in your consciounce.

Darren Sharper speaks " his TRUTH ".

He express's " that TRUTH " in compassionate terms, based on what he perceives has to be difficult for OUR Vets, that he still considers " as friends ". He mentions Brett Favre and Ahman Green as Packer Vet's that are still his friends.

From the Article:

Vikings safety Darren Sharper admits he feels bad for his former teammates with 0-2 Green Bay... the word sympathy is used and that sympathy is specifically reserved for Packer Vets...

sympathy? Yes he does:

Sharper admits he feels bad for his former teammates = sympathy

Vet's = among other's, two Packers mentioned in the article specifically, Vet. QB Brett Favre and Vet. RB Ahman Green:

"You're telling all the guys that are still there like Brett and the older guys like [running back Ahman Green] that you are not rebuilding, and you have them going through this struggle with a lot of young guys who aren't experienced......

"It's kind of hard to watch the guys I know. ... To have them not reap any benefits from their work, that's hard to watch. But as far as the people up top who make the decisions, I don't feel sorry for them. You all know who makes decisions over there. "


NO sympathy for OUR GM Ted Thompson.

Why does Sharper express sympathy? That is partially covered by this alarming and in OUR face fact:

The Packers are 4-14 with Thompson in charge over the past two seasons. ( fr. the Article and accurate)

Thompson ...refer's to ...Packer GM Ted Thompson. woodbuck27

"I have friends over there playing, and I don't like to see them struggling like this, and it really bothers me to see Brett [Favre] struggling at the end of a legendary career," ... Sharper said Monday.

The Article mentions Favre and another Packer Vet. Ahman Green and other Packer Vet's that has Sharpers sympathy:

" all the guys that are still there like Brett and the older guys like [running back Ahman Green]".... Darren Sharper

Does the article support reason for Sharpers sympathy for Packers that he played with and still thinks of as friends?

YES it does. That sympathy is clearly backed up... regarding the reason for that sympathy in:

a) OUR RECORD since GM Ted Thompson being 4-12.

b) the perceived deceipt ( created by and living in OUR GM Ted Thompson and spreading to OUR HC, Mike McCarthy ...and even corrupting Packer fans, who support GM Ted Thompson in the clear proof and face of his deceipt. )

A deceipt of growing denial, enacted on and damaging abusively Packer Vets, in the following terms:

" You're telling all the guys that are still there like Brett and the older guys like [running back Ahman Green] that you are not rebuilding," Darren Sharper

Your... refers to OUR GM Ted Thompson and now we are aware of the deceit growing /spreading... from statements by OUR Head Coach Mike McCarthy. That Mike McCarthy has taken a position to join Ted Thompson's deceit... to deny " the obvious TRUTH " ...The ABSOLUTE FACT that " the Packers are most certainly in a re-building mode.

How can we establish " the fact " that GM Ted Thompson has OUR team firmly entrenched in a re-building mode?

That is clearly supported by using " the TRUTH" specifically reiterated in the Article:

* you (* GM Ted Thompson ) have ** them (** Packer Vets) going through this struggle with a lot of young guys who aren't experienced...... Darren Sharper

This Article is what I term " a smoking gun ".

Darren Sharper, in his compassion and support for his friends. Vet Packers Brett Favre and Ahman Green and other's. Goes to " the full extent and damage of this deceit by GM Ted Thompson and now HC Mike McCarthy ".

How?

In regards to the specific damage it's doing to not only the Packer Vets, but in a corollary arguement, many dedicated and faithfully trusting Packer fans who support these Packer Vets as follows:

" you have them (Packer Vets) going through this struggle with a lot of young guys who aren't experienced......

"It's kind of hard to watch the guys I know (or Brett Favre and Ahman Green and other Vets )... To have them not reap any benefits from their work, that's hard to watch....." Darren Sharper

The TRUTH is now before YOU.

How can YOU (as Packer fans) ever with any integrity, proper consciounce and decency?

TRUST or cast your faith to OUR GM Ted Thompson or OUR HC Mike McCarthy... when they use an obvious deceit (for whatever reason) isn't as yet clearly obvious to date?

That will be..." the rest of the story " and it's NOT far away.

GO PACK GO ... FAITH in PACKER FANS !!

[BobDobbs]

I have to agree with you Patler. There was no real way to pay Wahle that bonus. Once free agency started Wahle was going to sign elsewhere, for all the previously mentioned factors. Dallas overpayed for Rivera. TT ultimately felt that Sharper wasn't worth what he was due to be paid. I think he also made the choice to give himself much more cap room in general.

That decision makes sense. It was his first year, so he doesn't have to produce wins immediately why not give yourself some room to work with? The Packers are in much better cap shape than they were. Driver got an extension(good), Woodson(we'll see), and we've got money to extend Harris maybe Jenkins or Wells.

All of this room was predicated on the hope that two new guards and a safety could be found(still waiting). You could add kicker to the list to, but that happened when we had cap room to pay Longwell so I guess that is more just a curious personel decision

[woodbuck27]

" One more thing. Blaming Sharper for the 49er playoff loss? Young threw the ball through the whole defense. TO had basically been shut out that game. He had some fault, but no one was going to knock the ball out of TO's hands after he had it in the endzone. **

In the Philly game his coverage was definitely too deep. One of those safeties has to be in front of the first down marker. Barnett was way out of position on that play. Donnatell called a bad play. Not to mention punt on 4th and 1. Or that horrible decision in OT by Favre to pass the ball to Dawkins. ***

My point is: If you would rather have a hard hitter like Chuck Cecil say it. If you don't like him personally because he signed with the vikings or your girlfriend thought he was hot that's ok too. But, blaming him for two of the biggest losses in Packer playoff history simply does not stand up to the tests of logic or perception." BobDobbs

* YES ! That pass fr.Steve Young to T.O. just at the goaline was an amazing lazer beam like pass and right on the money, perfectly timed for a streaking Terrell Owens. T.O. was just inside the Packer DB's and they had ZERO chance to make a play as that route was run.

The ball from Young right into Terrell's hands, as he cut to the goal angling from his right and AL he had to do was hold on as as I recall three?DB's sanwiched him as he fell forward.

TOUCHDOWN..49ers !!

Shocking pain for us.

On 4-26 and "the Eagles" win over us in 2003 when we were so close to running it all the way to the Show as we had momentum on OUR side. Who was next " the Panthers "...they never easy for us.

I do agree with you here also.The DB's played back or layed off way too deep... and allowed WR Mitchell, too much open field to run in and after the catch just shy of the 26 yard marker to simply allow his momentum to carry him for the first down.They were in a deep zone prevent when some safety CB (defensive back had to pick up Freddie Mitchell as he cut down and to the center or post position.

It was pure "You catch it and I'll tackle "... NOT THE Right call from OUR Defensive Co-Ordinator (someone)

The DB's had to be standing upfield of the post position at the 26 yard gain mark and look for Offensive pass interference if WR Terry Mitchell ran into one of OUR DB's.

I will never forget OUR DB's standing just downfield of the 26 yard spot and an " outstretched Baryshnikovian extended" Bhawoh Jue, just failing to get a hand on that perfectly thrown pass and timed beautifully by Freddie Mitchell. Yikes!!! That realy sucked. What were the odds???

Yet... NO another one against us and another nightmare ensued.

The Officialls also helped out again (see " The Catch 2 "... T.O.) as dicussed above.


GO PACK GO ! PACKER FAN FAITH !!

[Rastak]

Woodbuck, out of curiosity, how long does it take to compose one of those posts?

[GrnBay007]

Woodbuck, out of curiosity, how long does it take to compose one of those posts?

actually that's a short one.

[digitaldean]

Woodbuck, out of curiosity, how long does it take to compose one of those posts?

actually that's a short one.

I actually feel sorry for the pounding Woody's keyboard takes!

[Tarlam!]

Woodbuck, out of curiosity, how long does it take to compose one of those posts?

actually that's a short one.

I have tried to tell him, but he thinks I am personally attacking him...

I have stopped reading anything that he posts, which I feel is a bad thing.

'buck, as you may note, IT IS NOT JUST ME!!!!

We all love your thoughts. Just make them shorter...

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck, out of curiosity, how long does it take to compose one of those posts?

As my Grandfather " Eldon Alonzo Bell " used to say Rastak;

Regarding the length of time required to perform any task:

" Ed, It takes... as long as it takes, to get it right."

That one had to be done with care, so it took longer than some Rastak... about... 45 minutes to an hour.

[Harlan Huckleby]

We all love your thoughts. Just make them shorter...

Tarlam, you dope. Would you tell Melville to get an editor for "Moby Dick"? Would you tell Shakespeare that "Hamlet" dragged a bit, tighten it up?


Woody is an artist. His ramblings are poetry. Keep your Eurotrash nose out of here if you can't appreciate what you read here.

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck, out of curiosity, how long does it take to compose one of those posts?

actually that's a short one.

I actually feel sorry for the pounding Woody's keyboard takes!

Ha haa, digitaldean !

Keyboard's are easy to replace.

Brett Favre's... not so easy.

GO PACK GO ! Getting Doooowwwwnn ... in Lion Town !!

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck, out of curiosity, how long does it take to compose one of those posts?

actually that's a short one.

I have tried to tell him, but he thinks I am personally attacking him...

I have stopped reading anything that he posts, which I feel is a bad thing.

'buck, as you may note, IT IS NOT JUST ME!!!!

We all love your thoughts. Just make them shorter...

Tarlam!


Yes... PLEASE Tarlam! Don't read any of my posts.

That's step #1. Now...

Having taken my advice as good for you. Tarlam! YOU just need to get inside yourself for.. one... more... step.

Step #2 - Tarlam!

Try really hard Tarlam!...

to completely allow yourself ... " TO LET GO ".

Your not " the United Nations ".

I don't give YOU Bullshit directly or publicly. So ...

Please, don't give me...YOUR's.

K ?!! Ehh ?!!

YOU and I have NOTHING more to ever say to one another.

So PLEASE Tarlam! Here's "the message".

It can't be delivered in a nice way... to you Maan.

Screw Off !

Trusting that's CLEAR ENOUGH... for YOU Tarlam!

I'm done with YOU.

Have a nice LIFE... Tarlam!

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Now Tarlam! I'll shorten that up out of total respect for... your needs.

Being... the accomodating sort that I am.

SCREW OFF !!! Tarlam!

[woodbuck27]

The Packers fell to 0-2 with a 34-27 loss to the Saints, but showed some promise after last week's 26-0 shutout at the hands of the Bears.

Even though it's just Week 3, the Detroit Lions are saying it will be a must-win game when they face Green Bay in a matchup of winless teams. The game may not be a thing of beauty, but at least Packers quarterback Brett Favre could make the afternoon memorable by reaching another milestone. Favre is one touchdown pass away from his 400th touchdown, a total only Dan Marino (420) has reached in NFL history. "Yeah, we scored," says Brett Favre, ripping into the plastic wrap covering a toy ...

"Gunslinger" badge, the surprise found in a box of Lucky Charms he religiously enjoys every morning. "Man, I love my Lucky Charms. You've got pink hearts, yellow moons, orange stars, green clover, red balloons, and blue Vocodins....

Anyway, we went from 'shutout' to 'shootout' in the span of a week. You all need to get used to the phrase 'in a losing effort' when you're talking about the Packers." Brett Favre


Green Bay Packers quarterback Brett Favre walks off the field after throwing an incomplete pass on fourth down during the final minutes of an NFL football game against the New Orleans Saints Sunday, Sept. 17, 2006, in Green Bay, Wis.

After losing two home games to start the season, Favre can understand why people might think he would want the Green Bay Packers to trade him to a contender. But Favre doesn't necessarily think that would be any better than sticking it out for the rest of the year and perhaps beyond in Green Bay.


Detroit wide receiver Roy Williams guaranteed a win last week when the Lions faced the Bears. As you know, he was wrong, but that hasn't stopped him from guaranteeing a win this week.

"Look, every year, the NFL has some clown playing wide receiver who makes guarantees," says Williams.

"This year, I'm that clown. It was a lot easier in college at Texas making these guarantees. You don't have to be too bold to guarantee wins over the likes of Rice, West Texas State, and Prairie View A & M. And you don't have to be bold to guarantee a win over the Bears — just stupid. [b]But a win over the Packers? Bet the house[/b]."

Williams has a TD reception, and the Lions defense forces three Brett Favre turnovers.

Detroit wins, 28-13.

Afterwards, Williams guarantees the Lions will win the Super Bowl, the Tigers will win the World Series, the Pistons will win the NBA championship, and the Red Wings will win the Stanley Cup. He also guarantees that he will not watch any games involving the WNBA's Detroit Shock.

GO PACK GO ! Gettin Doowwwnnn in Lion Town !! Packer fan Faith !!!

[Scott Campbell]

We all love your thoughts. Just make them shorter...

Tarlam, you dope. Would you tell Melville to get an editor for "Moby Dick"? Would you tell Shakespeare that "Hamlet" dragged a bit, tighten it up?

Melville was capable of being consise:

"It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation."

My guess is that he would have found a way to say "Thompson sucks" in less than 2500 words.