Move Carroll to Safety?

[MJZiggy]

Who do you drop to keep him?

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Who do you drop to keep him?

4th safety who has been a packer for 3 weeks. It would have been good for Underwoods and Culver's development to have a veteran back-up to lean on throughout the camp, and Culver's throughout this year 'cause of the injury. You don't need to drop anyone from camp.

[Patler]

Who do you drop to keep him?

4th safety who has been a packer for 3 weeks. It would have been good for Underwoods and Culver's development to have a veteran back-up to lean on throughout the camp, and Culver's throughout this year 'cause of the injury. You don't need to drop anyone from camp.

A starter the last two years and you expect him to quietly accept the role as a 4th safety? Not likely an amicable situation.

Plus, it's almost mandatory that your backup safeties and backup corners be contributors on Special Teams. Often the 4th safety and 4th or 5th corner are picked because of their play on special teams moe than their abilities to play n defense. Especially the safeties tend to be the real physical ones. I don't believe Roman was considered an asset to special teams.

[Bretsky]

Roman is probably as good as some of our roster players. But as you noted he is interchangeable so TT tries to fill his spot with players he thinks may develop more. Sure Roman is probably better than a couple, but Mark Roman talent is not hard to replace.

Bretsky, you've been critical of Thompson for not picking up a vet guard. Why didn't he keep Ruegamer? Rueg was a tough player.

They have a real fish for the 4th safety.

It's true that I am nit-picking.

I had full faith TT figured he'd bring in a more talented veteran guard than Ruegy. He did not and I have no issues with TT bashing for not doing so. He left us dangerously thin at OL IF his goal was to win short term

[Bretsky]

Who do you drop to keep him?

Too many to choose from

[Zool]

Who do you drop to keep him?

4th safety who has been a packer for 3 weeks. It would have been good for Underwoods and Culver's development to have a veteran back-up to lean on throughout the camp, and Culver's throughout this year 'cause of the injury. You don't need to drop anyone from camp.

A starter the last two years and you expect him to quietly accept the role as a 4th safety? Not likely an amicable situation.

Plus, it's almost mandatory that your backup safeties and backup corners be contributors on Special Teams. Often the 4th safety and 4th or 5th corner are picked because of their play on special teams moe than their abilities to play n defense. Especially the safeties tend to be the real physical ones. I don't believe Roman was considered an asset to special teams.

Roman also squeeked a little when Manual was signed. He wasnt happy about being replaced. Manual appears to be the same or slightly better in coverage than Roman, but Manual is actually willing to tackle someone.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Manual appears to be the same or slightly better in coverage than Roman, but Manual is actually willing to tackle someone.

So wrong. Roman's strength was his tackling, he really wrapped up. I agree Manuel might be an even better tackler.

Manuel better in coverage? Manuel looks like he is pulling a wagon out there.

Some reality checks:
1) Thompson paid a sizeable salary, including a $2M signing bonus, to a player who is now the weakest link on the defense. Manuel is a tough tackler against the run, but overall he is a liability. I hope the Packers bench him in favor of the rookie, or move Woodson to safety.
2) Roman was an inexpensive, decent player who would be an asset to this team as a backup. Manuel also is just backup quality, and might be worse than Roman. Thompson weakened the roster by prematurely cutting Roman.

[Zool]

Manual appears to be the same or slightly better in coverage than Roman, but Manual is actually willing to tackle someone.

So wrong. Roman's strength was his tackling, he really wrapped up. I agree Manuel might be an even better tackler.

Manuel better in coverage? Manuel looks like he is pulling a wagon out there.

Some reality checks:
1) Thompson paid a sizeable salary, including a $2M signing bonus, to a player who is now the weakest link on the defense. Manuel is a tough tackler against the run, but overall he is a liability. I hope the Packers bench him in favor of the rookie, or move Woodson to safety.
2) Roman was an inexpensive, decent player who would be an asset to this team as a backup. Manuel also is just backup quality, and might be worse than Roman. Thompson weakened the roster by prematurely cutting Roman.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Roman let up far too many long passes 2 years ago. He shored it up some last year, but the writing was on the wall with the Manual siting.

I wish I had game footage here to show you, but Roman was the classic matador tackler.

Yes Manual is far overpaid for his performance thus far. That I will agree with you, but I was more than happy to watch Roman leave. He wouldnt take on a RB head up to save his life.

Sidestep, throw out an arm. OLE!

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Who do you drop to keep him?

4th safety who has been a packer for 3 weeks. It would have been good for Underwoods and Culver's development to have a veteran back-up to lean on throughout the camp, and Culver's throughout this year 'cause of the injury. You don't need to drop anyone from camp.

A starter the last two years and you expect him to quietly accept the role as a 4th safety? Not likely an amicable situation.

Plus, it's almost mandatory that your backup safeties and backup corners be contributors on Special Teams. Often the 4th safety and 4th or 5th corner are picked because of their play on special teams moe than their abilities to play n defense. Especially the safeties tend to be the real physical ones. I don't believe Roman was considered an asset to special teams.

He was the starting safety, I don't think I ever saw him on special teams. Perhaps with a camp of special teams under his belt, he'd be good at it!

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Manual appears to be the same or slightly better in coverage than Roman, but Manual is actually willing to tackle someone.

So wrong. Roman's strength was his tackling, he really wrapped up. I agree Manuel might be an even better tackler.

Manuel better in coverage? Manuel looks like he is pulling a wagon out there.

Some reality checks:
1) Thompson paid a sizeable salary, including a $2M signing bonus, to a player who is now the weakest link on the defense. Manuel is a tough tackler against the run, but overall he is a liability. I hope the Packers bench him in favor of the rookie, or move Woodson to safety.
2) Roman was an inexpensive, decent player who would be an asset to this team as a backup. Manuel also is just backup quality, and might be worse than Roman. Thompson weakened the roster by prematurely cutting Roman.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Roman let up far too many long passes 2 years ago. He shored it up some last year, but the writing was on the wall with the Manual siting.

I wish I had game footage here to show you, but Roman was the classic matador tackler.

Yes Manual is far overpaid for his performance thus far. That I will agree with you, but I was more than happy to watch Roman leave. He wouldnt take on a RB head up to save his life.

Sidestep, throw out an arm. OLE!

You mean like giving up an easy touchdown to week 1 to Berrian? I'm sure there are plenty of other poor pass plays, but thats the first one that comes to mind.

[Zool]

Manual appears to be the same or slightly better in coverage than Roman, but Manual is actually willing to tackle someone.

So wrong. Roman's strength was his tackling, he really wrapped up. I agree Manuel might be an even better tackler.

Manuel better in coverage? Manuel looks like he is pulling a wagon out there.

Some reality checks:
1) Thompson paid a sizeable salary, including a $2M signing bonus, to a player who is now the weakest link on the defense. Manuel is a tough tackler against the run, but overall he is a liability. I hope the Packers bench him in favor of the rookie, or move Woodson to safety.
2) Roman was an inexpensive, decent player who would be an asset to this team as a backup. Manuel also is just backup quality, and might be worse than Roman. Thompson weakened the roster by prematurely cutting Roman.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Roman let up far too many long passes 2 years ago. He shored it up some last year, but the writing was on the wall with the Manual siting.

I wish I had game footage here to show you, but Roman was the classic matador tackler.

Yes Manual is far overpaid for his performance thus far. That I will agree with you, but I was more than happy to watch Roman leave. He wouldnt take on a RB head up to save his life.

Sidestep, throw out an arm. OLE!

You mean like giving up an easy touchdown to week 1 to Berrian? I'm sure there are plenty of other poor pass plays, but thats the first one that comes to mind.

Like i said, same or slightly better. Maybe the slightly better was an exaggeration, but I am the leader of the I Hate Mark Roman club. Too many games I watched him chase down backs and recievers from behind. I didnt watch many Seattle games last year, but alot of Hawks fans think the game turned when Manual got hurt.

Maybe he's playing slow because he didnt have much for a TC?

[Patler]

You mean like giving up an easy touchdown to week 1 to Berrian? I'm sure there are plenty of other poor pass plays, but thats the first one that comes to mind.

I believe Harris admitted that he was the one who made the mistake in coverage, not Manual. Manual was trying to make up for it and ended up looking bad.

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HH, take over. Patler has exhausted my efforts with solid rebuttles. Jerk!