PI- "THE PARTY IS OVER AT LAMBEAU

[Fritz]

Oh, boo hoo hoo for the poor fans. Everybody likes to talk about how "special" Packer fans are, how they love their team, but then when times get tough some of them start whining about "deserving" better?

And as for plan A's or B's does anybody really think TT is deliberately undermining this year's team for the sake of a draft pick?

That's right up there (in terms of ridiculousness) with Bush bombed the twin towers himself, and other whacked conspiracy theories.

[bbbffl66]

That's right up there (in terms of ridiculousness) with Bush bombed the twin towers himself, and other whacked conspiracy theories.[/quote]

No no no, it was the Bush twins who were bombed!!!

[GBRulz]

Counting playoffs, the Packers have won just three of their last 12 games at Lambeau Field

That's just flat out depressing.

[RashanGary]

Oh, boo hoo hoo for the poor fans. Everybody likes to talk about how "special" Packer fans are, how they love their team, but then when times get tough some of them start whining about "deserving" better?

And as for plan A's or B's does anybody really think TT is deliberately undermining this year's team for the sake of a draft pick?

That's right up there (in terms of ridiculousness) with Bush bombed the twin towers himself, and other whacked conspiracy theories.

I agree. What a bunch of whiners. I understand fans want to win, but they have to understand the league a little. Teams do not win every year. Sherman ran this organization into the ground and continued to ride his two playmakers *Favre and Green* into the playoffs every year. Eventually Favre's skills declined adn Green had a season ending injury. It's over, we don't have two stallions to ride. We need some new ones. Hawk looks like he's on his way and if we're lucky we'll get one more SOON. It's patients. I'm hoping this years draft will land another blue chip defender. I think McCarthy can do a fine job if given a couple playmakers to depend on like Sherman had.

Sherman was a good coach. He was organized and had everyone prepared. HE drove the franchise into the ground by being a bad GM. It's time to rebuild. I dont' think this season is a direct reflection of McCarthy's skills just like last year wasn't a direct reflection of Shermans. Lets give McCarthy a couple elite players and see how he does. He doesn't have them now and if he does, they're too young and not playing their best football. Also, there are more weak links now.

The Packers are rebuilding, there is no nice way to put it. They have ZERO proven playmakers who arn't over the hill and they have a bunch of weak links. It's time to start from scratch and hope a couple elite players emerge.

[RashanGary]

Weak links

Poppinga
Manuel
Moll
Ryan

Playmakers

ZERO


Many of these guys might be just fine, but for now they are below average players. YOu cannot win with this many marginal players. Poppinga is downright horrible. As far as this year is concerned, there is no hope of winning with these guys starting. Next year, they all might be alot better. Combine the weak links with the fact that we have ZERO playmakers and you have a really bad team.

Sure Hawk could develop into one. Urlacher took a few weeks before he started lighting anything up. What rookie is as good in his first game as he is in his 8th? None probably. Alot of our problems can be fixed with experience so that is a good thing but as far as this year is concerned it means nothing. We are a bad team right now. Next year could be different assuming a bunch of these promising rookies step up and Hawk becomes an elite playmaker. That is alot of hoping. The reality is that we are 2 or 3 years away. Get used to it. That's called the NFL cycle.

[Fritz]

Thanks, Greg. Listen, if at the end of 2007 it's not clear that this team is moving up - fast - then I'll be all over TT. But I want to see how his first couple of draft classes begin to pan out before I'm willing to jump the guy.

[esoxx]

I would put Donald Driver into the playmaker category.

[RashanGary]

Thanks, Greg. Listen, if at the end of 2007 it's not clear that this team is moving up - fast - then I'll be all over TT. But I want to see how his first couple of draft classes begin to pan out before I'm willing to jump the guy.

Yeah..I'm gonna give him till the end of next year. If we dont' have a defense running around making PLAYS! by then, I'm gonna jump off too. When I say making plays, I mean making plays but not giving up 14 explosive ones in 2 games either. I've been an avid TT supporter. I believe in his methods but 3 years you have to start seeing improvement. If not, it's time to start thinking about cutting the cord.

He better have hit on 2 of his 5 OG selections over the last 2 drafts too. We know Coston and Whittaker are failures so 2 of these ones better pan out or he has no more excuses.

As far as freaking out now, it is way to early. It's just plain silly IMHO.

[red]

god damn gold package people. leaving at the start of the 4th quarter in a game that was close at the time and wasn't decided until the end? WTF?

sounds like Milwaukee should be called little chicago, they're a bunch of fucking bandwagon jumpers just like chicago fans are

if you don't want to be at the games, the give your tickets away to packer fans that do want to be there assholes. i would have loved to be at that game

you got it bad for Chitown, Red. You ought to spend a few weekends there. Lots of stuff to do, and for the most part, pretty friendly people.

Most of the a-holes leave the state on the weekend.

i use to live there

and you're right, it does seem to be the dicks that leave on the weekends. there are a lot of great people in chicagoland, but there are a ton of arrogant "i'm better then you" pricks there too

[Terry]

I have no time for people who hoard 53 season tickets. That's just plain wrong. And to top it off, it has to be a sunny weather fan. Somehow, that's the worst insult of all to top off that particular injury.

I wonder when people will get off this bad GM rant about Sherman. it's just simply not true.

[b bulldog]

I agree, if the team doesn't start showing improvement next season, Tt needs to go.

[RashanGary]

I have no time for people who hoard 53 season tickets. That's just plain wrong. And to top it off, it has to be a sunny weather fan. Somehow, that's the worst insult of all to top off that particular injury.

I wonder when people will get off this bad GM rant about Sherman. it's just simply not true.

Terry,

Sherman was a horrible GM. It's not even a rant IMO. It's a fact.

[red]

i'll agree, IF, this year ends the same way that last year did. meaning, if we show NO improvement from the beginning of the year to the end, and if next year goes the same way. then it will be time for TT to go.

it just shouldn't take that long to reload when you have as much free money as we had this year and we'll have next year

so to sum up, if they show no improvement or little improvement by the end of next season, then send him packing

[red]

I have no time for people who hoard 53 season tickets. That's just plain wrong. And to top it off, it has to be a sunny weather fan. Somehow, that's the worst insult of all to top off that particular injury.

I wonder when people will get off this bad GM rant about Sherman. it's just simply not true.

Terry,

Sherman was a horrible GM. It's not even a rant IMO. It's a fact.

don't let retailguy see you write that, its grounds for banning in his book

[BEARMAN]

You Gb fans are laughable, you have had it good for so long now that a couple poor seasons and the sky is falling? What a disgrace you are to your team. It has been easy to be a Packer fan, they used to win alot, it was "fun" being a packer fan. Funny how times change. True fans don't jump ship at the first sings of trouble. True fans keep the faith, hold the line , say "we'll get them next time". NOT, fire every one from the owner on down ? Pointing the finger is not the way to right your ship, pulling together, being a team, working on the fundimentals is how you turn a season around. You go back to BLOCKING, TACKLING, RUNNING, PASSING, fundimentals of football. There is no magic, no superman(farve), just 11 men pulling it together and getting the job done. Dang, look at me, a BEARS fan telling you Packer fans how it's done.... I know, cos I/we have been there. Not that I don't like seeing GB haveing troubles, I DO !, but dang, don't self destruct. Just my .02


GO BEARS !