PI- "THE PARTY IS OVER AT LAMBEAU

[Tarlam!]

Thanks Bearman. We needed a pep-talk from an experienced LOSER and you stepped right up.

I am sure, having your loser experience to draw from will make our lives much easier. Boy, how glad am I that I'm not a teddy fan!

[BEARMAN]

YW tarlam, anything I can do to brighten your day. See, I told ya, I am here to spread cheer and good will to all. Now, when I kick you in the guts as you lye there wallowing in your loathing and dispare, crying cos your team sucks and is winless, just remember, it is "tough love" I am showing. It is cos I care that I abuse you so. Now, quit slobbering, streighten up and fly right !


GO BEARS !

[Tarlam!]

Boy, Bearman, you really gave it to me. I guess after that, I must be your bitch, huh?

[Fosco33]

god damn gold package people. leaving at the start of the 4th quarter in a game that was close at the time and wasn't decided until the end? WTF?

sounds like Milwaukee should be called little chicago, they're a bunch of fucking bandwagon jumpers just like chicago fans are

if you don't want to be at the games, the give your tickets away to packer fans that do want to be there assholes. i would have loved to be at that game

I'm from Milwaukee and thats not funny!

I have that shirt

[BEARMAN]

Tarlam, I do not swing that way, but hey, I don't judge people, so if that's what flips up your dress, go for it. Can I ask, are you the mommy or the daddy ? Just asking....

GO BEARS !

[VegasPackFan]

So a writer finds ONE couple that left the game early to beat traffic and ONE other one that says that people have given up.

I just read a story on ESPN a few weeks ago where the writer was im total awe at the support this team receives, even during a pre-season game.

Bud Lea can take his totally skewed story and shove it up his old, stanky but!

This team has ALWAYS been supported by the many towns and cities in the state of Wisconsin.

Is is oh so vogue to slam a team when it is down.

Dont but into the hype, folks. I can tell you that when I go to a bar in Las Vegas to watch to the game, I never have a shortage of fellow fans to hang with.

I went to the Lions game last year, and with miserable weather and a miserable season, that place was rocking!

FU Bud Lea!!!!

[Terry]

I would put Donald Driver into the playmaker category.

I agree. Furthermore, when a team starts winning, a lot of ok players start making more plays and begin to look more like playmakers. Christl simply lacks imagination.

Sherman was a horrible GM. It's not even a rant IMO. It's a fact.

First of all, Greg, it's not a 'fact', it's an interpretive conclusion. Right away, you lose credibility from that alone. Secondly, I don't disagree that Sherman's performance as GM fell short, but I would argue that he could well have been a better GM than coach - i.e., his aptitude and personality are perfect for the role of GM. When you look at it in context, in many ways, whatever capability he did have as GM (something which you vastly underestimate) was quite impressive.

If Sherman had been GM only, hired himself a very good coach who in turn peopled his coaching staff with good people, been surrounded with people like Thompson instead of Hatley, and had a little more Wolf-style luck in free agency, things could have gone very, very differently. There's a hairline between failure and success. Was the sum total of Sherman as GM a failure? Yes, absolutely. Does that mean he's a "bad GM" or that he couldn't succeed quite well in the role? Absolutely not.

Like most fans and members of the public who base their glib easy opinions on the eddies and currents of what's available on the commercial ridden airwaves, you are wrong in your certainty. But I wouldn't want you to trouble yourself by living in the uncertainty that arises from recognizing that one does not actually 'know' very much about matters and a lot of information is simply not at hand. This is true about people like Slowik and Rosseley, just as it is true about worldwide political situations.

You Gb fans are laughable, you have had it good for so long now that a couple poor seasons and the sky is falling? What a disgrace you are to your team. It has been easy to be a Packer fan, they used to win alot, it was "fun" being a packer fan. Funny how times change. True fans don't jump ship at the first sings of trouble. True fans keep the faith, hold the line , say "we'll get them next time". NOT, fire every one from the owner on down ? Pointing the finger is not the way to right your ship, pulling together, being a team, working on the fundimentals is how you turn a season around. You go back to BLOCKING, TACKLING, RUNNING, PASSING, fundimentals of football. There is no magic, no superman(Favre), just 11 men pulling it together and getting the job done. Dang, look at me, a BEARS fan telling you Packer fans how it's done.... I know, cos I/we have been there. Not that I don't like seeing GB haveing troubles, I DO !, but dang, don't self destruct. Just my .02

Well, you're right in a way, Bearman. But I think you're missing the bigger picture. If the fans here were really fairweather fans, as you imply, they wouldn't be here at all. The very fact that people keep coming here to grumble is an indication of their deep devotion to the team. In fact, on the contrary side of your supposition, I would say that like countries, fans of teams who grumble when things are in trouble are among the most loyal of all.

However, there is no denying that the bottomless, repetitive and redundant crabbing without the occasional positive note to regain perspective, can be discouraging. I read a long post recently from someone who went to Lambeau Field last sunday from Florida and his positive observations from being there - in some detail I might add. It was the best of the positive posts that I've read in a very long time and it was like a breath of fresh air. I say this because it was more than a comment on loyalty or "let's wait and see" or "don't worry, things will turn around", but rather was built upon specific observations of some very positive things happening on the field right now that aren't necessarily so obvious on television.

Whatever, the point is that as long as the people here are still here bitching, your post is a little off the mark. It's when the activity on the board nosedives that your post might be better directed - but then, the people it's aimed at won't be around to read it.

Maybe you need to reword it next time. Maybe try discussing with people as well as at them.

[Bretsky]

Terry,

One quick comment on your points. I'd disagree about Hatley; I think Sherman melted down more after Hatley passed away and instead of putting somebody in that same capacity he took on even more burden...too much.

I'm not going to get into the GM fight in detail as I've went there too many times. IMO Sherman was a poor GM and the majority of the reasoning for me were the quality of his drafts. I do think the evidence would support that.

While not successful signing outside free agents, I can't blame him for the Joe Johnson signing because I thought it was a good thing at the time as well.

Bottom line is for me, when I think of Mike Sherman, I think of

1. A very dedicated man who was loyal and loved the GB Packers
2. A GM who let our talent run way too thin due to poor draft maneavers
3. A coach who is defined by one move; his decision not to put the entire season on the strength of his team and punt on the infamous 4th and 1. 4th and 26 is dead to me; should have never occured.


Cheers,
B

[Scott Campbell]

Bottom line is for me, when I think of Mike Sherman, I think of

1. A very dedicated man who was loyal and loved the GB Packers
2. A GM who let our talent run way too thin due to poor draft maneavers
3. A coach who is defined by one move; his decision not to put the entire season on the strength of his team and punt on the infamous 4th and 1. 4th and 26 is dead to me; should have never occured.

Spot on - exactamundo.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Bottom line is for me, when I think of Mike Sherman, I think of

1. A very dedicated man who was loyal and loved the GB Packers
2. A GM who let our talent run way too thin due to poor draft maneavers
3. A coach who is defined by one move; his decision not to put the entire season on the strength of his team and punt on the infamous 4th and 1. 4th and 26 is dead to me; should have never occured.

Spot on - exactamundo.

Indeed. I third this one.

[GBRulz]

I have no time for people who hoard 53 season tickets. That's just plain wrong. And to top it off, it has to be a sunny weather fan. Somehow, that's the worst insult of all to top off that particular injury.

I wonder when people will get off this bad GM rant about Sherman. it's just simply not true.

53 season tickets does seem like alot doesn't it? however, there are numerous people with hundreds of season tickets. In fact, I remember the local news stations interviewing people who had to pay the seat licensing fee of $1400 per seat....they were basically blasting the Packers because they couldn't afford to keep their hundreds of tickets. They got no sympathy from me.

[red]

ahhhhhhhh

poor asshole scalpers