Hawk vs Simms

[b bulldog]

Sundays game will have two of the top rookie LB prospects from the draft playing against each other. Simms has looked real aggressive and has a mean streak and Hawk has been looking better. I think both will be fine players but Simms could really explode in Marinelli's D, ala Derrick Brooks.

[RashanGary]

Good point, he's in a perfect scheme for a fast WLB. Also, he's got a really strong DL to keep blockers off of him.

I think DTW is set up really well to use Simms strengths and hide his weaknesses.

It'll be fun to watch. I think Hawk is better though. Nobody has run or passed his direction effectively. I'm curious to see how well Simms shuts his side down or is he just a product of being fed tackles like Barnett. We'll see tomorrow.

[mraynrand]

Ernie Sims plays for the Lions. Chris Simms plays for the Bucs. And that's a real fresh POV on Sims. I've never heard the theory that he might be the 'Derrick Brooks' of the Detroit Lions, oh, except the 10,000 times they pulled out this warmed over garbage during the draft. Yawn. Maybe you should just stick to ripping on Favre - you're better at that.

[vince]

Ernie Sims plays for the Lions. Chris Simms plays for the Bucs. And that's a real fresh POV on Sims. I've never heard the theory that he might be the 'Derrick Brooks' of the Detroit Lions, oh, except the 10,000 times they pulled out this warmed over garbage during the draft. Yawn. Maybe you should just stick to ripping on Favre - you're better at that.

Both are studs... Sims has a history of concussions if I'm not mistaken though, which could affect his career over time.

[wist43]

They're pretty equal at this point, but Sims probably has an advantage b/c he plays in a better system on a better overall defense.

Assuming that this coaching staff will be fired w/in a couple of years, I like Hawk's long term upside. If by some miracle this coaching staff survives more than two years, then Hawks numbers will be stunted and the advantage would have to go to Sims.

[RashanGary]

They're pretty equal at this point, but Sims probably has an advantage b/c he plays in a better system on a better overall defense.

Assuming that this coaching staff will be fired w/in a couple of years, I like Hawk's long term upside. If by some miracle this coaching staff survives more than two years, then Hawks numbers will be stunted and the advantage would have to go to Sims.

I'd laugh but it's not funny.

[Lurker64]

Both are studs... Sims has a history of concussions if I'm not mistaken though, which could affect his career over time.

Every time you get a concussion, the next one's easier to get. I'm afraid (because you can never in good conscience wish a player ill) that Sims won't have a particularly long career given the way he plays.

[mmmdk]

Yes, both Hawk & Simms will be studs - I like Hawk better, he's just a natural.

About the Packer defensive coaches; it was quite a debacle went Bates left and apart from W.Moss I don't like any of the def. coaches much. As Wist gleefully points out, they could be gone within 2 years. This is just not good news for this defense. Ever changing of position coaches or coordinators doesn't add to building a confidence level amongst the players.

[Patler]

I'm not saying there aren't exceptions, but typically, linebackers as small as Simms don't have long careers. They get caught up among the big bodies of the players in the two lines much too often, and it generally costs them in long term health. Sims is short even for a safety, and only as heavy as the bigger safeties. He's not much heavier than Collins.

[b bulldog]

Tomorrows game will be a showcase for both to show how they are doing. Sorry if I put two mm's instead of the one for Sims. Mrayrand, you must be one of those who kept saying that Hawk is the most NFL ready D player in the draft.

[RashanGary]

Packers going right at Sims adn shredding him.

There is no comparison at this point in the game. Sims looks like a dud. He's getting burned like Poppinga.

[RashanGary]

Green just ran him over. I havn't seen Hawk get bitch slapped like that in 6 games. Sims just got ran over like Barnett often does.

[b bulldog]

Sims was overshadowed all day long by Hawk. Hawk keeps looking better and better.

[Iron Mike]

Sims was overshadowed all day long by Hawk. Hawk keeps looking better and better.

Agreed. Hawk looked pretty awesome on the delayed blitz!

[b bulldog]

I was more impressed with his openfield tackling and keeping containment.