Hawk vs Simms

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lets see here, if you don't judge a lb by his tackles made, what should we judge them by?

That logic makes Barnett a top 2 or 3 linebacker in the league. Foolish!

[Deputy Nutz]

10 tackles a game is good enough for me and probably most GM's throughout the league, I guess it is quite funny, isn't it?

Barnett averaged 10 tackles a game last year and I thought he wasn't good enough.

anyways, you're still bitter about the rivalry between Hawk and Williams, and now that Williams has fallen flat on his face you have to come up with other rookies to compare Hawk to. Whatever.

[b bulldog]

Hawk's sack was a delayed blitz, he didn't beat anyone and he has one or two passes defensed, as a wekside backer, he should be more involved in the coverage aspect of the game and usually those players(OLB) afre used more on blitzing situations. Pretty funny, huh?

[Bretsky]

How have you seen two of the Texan games ? Do you have the NFL Package ?

No way you can use tackles as the only criteria for who is having a better season. Think about that for your criteria. Some of the worst MLB's in the game would be having a better season than some of the best OLB's.

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[b bulldog]

Look back at my posts before the draft occurred, I st6ated that Mario will probably take a year and a half to become a gamechanging DE. I did think he would do more than he has in three games but I did state on numerous occassions that it will take him a year and a half imo. Hawk has played better so far but Ryans has played the best for all R LB's.

[Bretsky]

Hawk's sack was a delayed blitz, he didn't beat anyone and he has one or two passes defensed, as a wekside backer, he should be more involved in the coverage aspect of the game and usually those players(OLB) afre used more on blitzing situations. Pretty funny, huh?

You still have to execute when to shoot the gap and be fast enough to get there.



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[Deputy Nutz]

Hawk's sack was a delayed blitz, he didn't beat anyone and he has one or two passes defensed, as a wekside backer, he should be more involved in the coverage aspect of the game and usually those players(OLB) afre used more on blitzing situations. Pretty funny, huh?

Hawk has been a complete Don in coverage, especially in open space, giving up a catch to a running back that gains 0, 1, 2, 0r 3 yards are positive plays for linebackers, thats what you look for more than passes defensed. I hate that stat anyways. What is considered a pass defensed anyways, and how is it judged? Besides isn't it better that your coverage is so tight that the QB doesn't even challenge your coverage?

[Bretsky]

Look back at my posts before the draft occurred, I st6ated that Mario will probably take a year and a half to become a gamechanging DE. I did think he would do more than he has in three games but I did state on numerous occassions that it will take him a year and a half imo. Hawk has played better so far but Ryans has played the best for all R LB's.

Yes, you said that; you and Nick Collins...aka...Greg Jennings also had a detailed bet in which you argued Mario would be more productive than Hawk over the course of their rookie seasons.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Hawk's sack was a delayed blitz, he didn't beat anyone and he has one or two passes defensed, as a wekside backer, he should be more involved in the coverage aspect of the game and usually those players(OLB) afre used more on blitzing situations. Pretty funny, huh?

Better to have him covering people and not giving up completions (and get zero "stats" from this) than have him pad his stats by giving up completions and making the tackle (ala Poppinga). I haven't seen him miss tackles. I haven't seen him give up completions. I even saw him make an instinctive play on the delayed blitz today. That looked like a read blitz to me. It worked.

[MasonCrosby]

hawk was a safe pick with the number 5 selection that would have an impact this season and he has helped shore up the linebacking corps...

[b bulldog]

I agree with you that it is a worthless stat. Tackles for MLB's are very important while sacks, pressures and coverage skills are more likely to be inked with OLB's.

[Deputy Nutz]

How have you seen two of the Texan games ? Do you have the NFL Package ?

No way you can use tackles as the only criteria for who is having a better season. Think about that for your criteria. Some of the worst MLB's in the game would be having a better season than some of the best OLB's.

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Besides, teams are already considering Hawk not only the best linebacker on the Packers, but also their best playmaker. In my own estimation, teams are running the ball 75% of the time away from Hawk and to the strong side. Once Hawk hits his stride, and feels completely comfortable during game days, he is going to be a damn maniac on the field, Brian Urlacher? Forget about it!

[b bulldog]

Total delayed blitz as he usually did at OSU. Watch the ND game from last year, when he tries to physically dominate a blocker he gets stoned, his best advantage is his speed, hence delayed blitzing is his best way to get to the QB.

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How have you seen two of the Texan games ? Do you have the NFL Package ?

No way you can use tackles as the only criteria for who is having a better season. Think about that for your criteria. Some of the worst MLB's in the game would be having a better season than some of the best OLB's.

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Besides, teams are already considering Hawk not only the best linebacker on the Packers, but also their best playmaker. In my own estimation, teams are running the ball 75% of the time away from Hawk and to the strong side. Once Hawk hits his stride, and feels completely comfortable during game days, he is going to be a damn maniac on the field, Brian Urlacher? Forget about it!

If his impact on the game is as great as Urlachers, that would be amazing.

[b bulldog]

eSTIMATION THAT i DON'T AGREE WITH BECAUSE HE HAS made no where near the plays needed to make an O run away from him. We can agree to disagree but most plays go to the strong side of the field which DOES take AJ out of a certain percenmtage of all the O plays.