Hawk vs Simms

[b bulldog]

Hawk is good but he doesn't have what Urlacher has. Even as a R, Urlacher was eye opening from day one and was very dominant. Urlacher is a special player.

[gbpackfan]

Did Simms even play today. Yes? Hmmm, I didnt even notice him out on the field. Hawk easily won the battle of 1st round LBs today.

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Hawk is good but he doesn't have what Urlacher has. Even as a R, Urlacher was eye opening from day one and was very dominant. Urlacher is a special player.

His impact was devestating those first few games. He sat on that bench so well!

[Deputy Nutz]

Hawk is good but he doesn't have what Urlacher has. Even as a R, Urlacher was eye opening from day one and was very dominant. Urlacher is a special player.

Urlacher didn't even start the first 8 games his rookie year. Hawk has everything Urlacher has, except the herpes that Brian got from sticking it in Paris Hilton.

Speed? both have it

Physical play? Hawk is probably more physical at this point in his career than Urlacher was. Even now, if blockers get into Urlacher he is finished, he disengages from blocks about as well as Barnett does. while you constantly see Hawk attack blockers at the point of attack making sure to maintain his responsiblities and turn the play back into the pursuit.

Coverage skills? both excell at it, Hawk has more skill at this point in his career than Urlacher at this point.

Try to argue this point all you want Bulldog, but you are wrong. Go back and look at Urlacher's rookie stats and you will be suprised.

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Hawk is good but he doesn't have what Urlacher has. Even as a R, Urlacher was eye opening from day one and was very dominant. Urlacher is a special player.

Urlacher didn't even start the first 8 games his rookie year. Hawk has everything Urlacher has, except the herpes that Brian got from sticking it in Paris Hilton.

Speed? both have it

Physical play? Hawk is probably more physical at this point in his career than Urlacher was. Even now, if blockers get into Urlacher he is finished, he disengages from blocks about as well as Barnett does. while you constantly see Hawk attack blockers at the point of attack making sure to maintain his responsiblities and turn the play back into the pursuit.

Coverage skills? both excell at it, Hawk has more skill at this point in his career than Urlacher at this point.

Try to argue this point all you want Bulldog, but you are wrong. Go back and look at Urlacher's rookie stats and you will be suprised.

I doubt he'll ever be as skilled at blitzing as Urlacher because he is about 20 pounds heavier and 3 inches taller.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Urlacher was pretty damn good from the start. Hawk doesn't have to be Urlacher to be damn good or to be the right pick for us. Hawk ain't going to be Urlacher, but Ryans isn't going to be Ray Lewis, Simms isn't going to be Derrick Brooks, and Mario Williams isn't going to be Julius Peppers either.

[Deputy Nutz]

Urlacher was pretty damn good from the start. Hawk doesn't have to be Urlacher to be damn good or to be the right pick for us. Hawk ain't going to be Urlacher, but Ryans isn't going to be Ray Lewis, Simms isn't going to be Derrick Brooks, and Mario Williams isn't going to be Julius Peppers either.

Well, who is Bobby Carpenter not going to be? He isn't even on the active roster in Dallas.

[MJZiggy]

In that case he might not be anybody...

[b bulldog]

I agree with the player comparisons and it isn't fair to compare these youngsters to these dominant, vet players although where all of these have been drafted, they should spend half of their Feb's in Hawaii.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Vernon Davis broke his leg today. Before that, he hadn't done squat. He did have a 31 yard TD the first game, but also cost the 49ers dearly with a fumble in his own territory that game. Outside of the 31 yard TD, he had 6 receiving yards in the 3 games.

[b bulldog]

I just remember Urlacher coming into Lambeau as a R and seeing his speed and his tackling ability. Hawk may have good stop watch speed but Urlacher's football speed is awesome. nUTZ, WE'LL SEE HOW MANY PROBOWLS the both of them make and we'll than get to judge how great each player is.

[b bulldog]

aS A r, 124 tackles, 8 sacks and 2 ints and I think he has been to the probowl every year of his career, not totally sure but I think so.

[RashanGary]

Yes, you said that; you and Nick Collins...aka...Greg Jennings also had a detailed bet in which you argued Mario would be more productive than Hawk over the course of their rookie seasons.

Thanks for remembering that B...I tried to look it up but couldn't find it. We worked out the details and everything.

bulldog was so obsessed w/ Williams and now Williams might not even get 3 sacks. LOL...

Hawk will probably have more sacks. No comparisson.

That sack by Hawk was not only explosive and quick, but his grip was always something I was in awe of when wathcing his tape. When he gets a hold of somebody, he doesn't let go. When he tackled drummond on teh sideline on a punt, it looked like he was going to rip his torso from his legs.

[RashanGary]

Hawk has done nothing but look big in everything he does. He's stepped onto the field in the NFL and has done everything he did at OSU. He gets sacks, he sheds blocks, he is always in position to make the play. He rips guys mercifully to the ground in a way that I've never seen in my years of watching the Packers. He's a beast in everything he's done.

The guy is the best LB in this draft bar none. Demeco Ryans is a damn good player but he doens't compare to Hawk at all. Ryans can make plays, he'll make tackles. Hawk does that too but Hawk also has a kung foo grip with amazing strength that allows him to be the differnece maker that Ryans or Sims will never be.

I've never seen Hawk get bitch slapped. He's played 5 or 6 full games of tape and he's always looked stronger than his opponent.

Sims gets rag dolled. I'm sure Ryans does to. The differencne between a guy who gets the job done and a playmaker can be defined as Ryans vs Hawk. Simple as that. No arguement.

I haven't even seen Ryans play in the NFL but I know from his college tape taht he never took over games. He is in the right spot, he makes the tackle. Hawk beats down the opponent. He did it at OSU and he's doing it here in the NFL.

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Hawk does that too but Hawk also has a kung foo grip with amazing strength that allows him to be the differnece maker that Ryans or Sims will never be.

Don't you think its a bit premature for that declaration? There have been plenty of great linebackers who weren't top 5 picks, let alone even starters their first year in the league. Joey Porter is a prime example of this.