MCGINN STRIKES AGAIN..."TROUBLING SIGNS FROM WOODSON

[Bretsky]

Perhaps the most interesting part of the article is the comparison to Ty Law...not sure what he ended up signing for, but I'm sure we could have made a move for him. I think he'd be much better than Woodson.

Can't remember the exact figured, but I'm pretty sure Law signed for a heck of a lot less

[KYPack]

Perhaps the most interesting part of the article is the comparison to Ty Law...not sure what he ended up signing for, but I'm sure we could have made a move for him. I think he'd be much better than Woodson.

Can't remember the exact figured, but I'm pretty sure Law signed for a heck of a lot less

Every year, Ty Law goes late & goes for cheap. Every year I figure he's just a little too old. & every year, 31 GM's kick themselves for not signing a HOF DB.

I was at the Cincy Pack Pre Season game. It was scary. Woodson looked like he was on his way to the electric chair before every play. I went to the game with a buddy, an old teammate, a safety & CB. His first comment was how terrible the DB's looked. He was actually more shocked by the youth of the back-up DB's. I stole a line from him that he said that nite.

As he watched our DB's warm-up (right in front of us), he said, "These aren't kids, they're embryo's". He wanted to know why we had so many 21 yr old kids as back-ups. When I told him about TT's love of kids and how we are rebuilding, but not re-building, he said exactly what I knew he'd say..."He's goofy then, you can't win with this many rookies".

Our secondary now consists of two guys who have no confidence and are scared out of their wits (Manual & Collins) and two guys who may or may not give a shit (Woodson & Harris).

The ironic thing is proper coaching could possibly straighten the whole deal out, but I don't have any confidence that these coaches could do things necessary to correct the problem.

As far as Bobby McGinn directing some shots at nut sacks, I think MORE shots are needed.

They just need to be properly aimed.

By the coaching staff.

[Fritz]

To me, the sum of this article is basically that free agency is a crap shoot. TT spent a lot on a guy who may only be a middle of the road player, and he passed on a guy (Witherspoon) who's been great. But TT also didn't land another linebacker who lots of folks here were clamoring for (Arrington) and has since sucked, and he didn't go after an expensive center (Bentley) who got hurt right away and is out for the year.

And good points were made in posts by folks who pointed out that it's no slam dunk that Hutchinson would have made Green Bay a much, much better offense.

So it seems that thw whole thing is educated guesswork plus some dumb luck. Yeah, I wish Woodson was more passionate, or at least I wish he were playing better, but it's a deal that pays him up front, so if he's only here for one or two years and GB can bring in someone better, then it's not a huge deal for me. At least his money won't be floating on our cap for the next eight years.

[Scott Campbell]

At least his money won't be floating on our cap for the next eight years.

To me, that was the reason Ted signed him. He had to spend the money somewhere, and the Woodson deal allowed him to retain future cap flexibility. I never bought in to the shut down corner hype.

[RashanGary]

I agree w/ everyone above that thinks it was an OK to below average signing. Sure, Woodson isn't some star player or great person but he plays his position OK and he's not getting burned any more often than our other guy. He's also got some value as a Safety for the next couple of years while he comes cheap to us.

I would love a DE because pass rush makes your CB's look better but there are a couple really good DB's in this up coming draft and I think I would be just as happy with Leon Hall as I would be with anyone.

[run pMc]

It's as much the coaches as the players. Woodson has talent but no motor; Schottenheimer is a laid back guy. You think that's a good match for bringing out the best in your CB? I don't think we have the right coach for the secondary.

Having said that, the secondary is a mess. Woodson & Harris are getting old, and while he can play bump-and-run/man coverage, Harris has never been a burner. Carroll seems to be a good fit at nickel CB, but who does GB have to replace the starters? Don't say Blackmon until he's been on the field. Manuel is a flop, and Collins is having a sophomore slump.

Granted, it's still early, and they have SOME talent so if it's just "communication problems" they might work that out and be a middlin' secondary. Still, I'm betting the pass D will be the Achilles heel of GB this year, and a new secondary coach will be coming to town next year. Rebuilding the D needs to continue.

[HarveyWallbangers]

"If Hutchinson was in Green Bay, the Packers would have a running game and the entire offense would have a different feel." --- Bob McGinn

Bob's full of shit on this one. One guard would not make this team over to the degree this sentence indicates.

Yeah, on top of that, Minnesota isn't exactly running the ball well with a leftside of McKinnie, Birk, AND Hutchinson.

[Rastak]

"If Hutchinson was in Green Bay, the Packers would have a running game and the entire offense would have a different feel." --- Bob McGinn

Bob's full of shit on this one. One guard would not make this team over to the degree this sentence indicates.

Yeah, on top of that, Minnesota isn't exactly running the ball well with a leftside of McKinnie, Birk, AND Hutchinson.

Understatement Harv.....understatement.....

[Joemailman]

Woodson is in the twilight of his nine-year career. Although he suffered a pair of broken legs in the last four years as well as other injuries, his speed isn't bad. His short-area quickness, at least based on his inability to cover Detroit's Mike Furrey out of the slot last week, is highly questionable


If this part of the article is accurate, it would seem that Woodson might be better suited to safety in this defense. Whatever happens with Woodson, it doesn't appear there will really be any long-term negative consequences. If he's not a big-time contributor, that will be a disappointment, but not a disaster.

[pbmax]

I am sorry I caught this thread so late. I find that McGinn's assessment rings true, and I am curious if Woodson's lack of flexibility has been one of the contributing factors to bad communication.

But if Wahle, Hutchinson and ::genuflect:: LOGAN MANKINS aren't testimony to the way a guard can't put you over the top, then I don't know what is.

It took a rookie and a bad opposition run D and a punch and judy WR corp for New England to put together a dominating run game. Others have reflected on the Vikings struggles.

And Carolina has struggled mightily (until this week) to find it running game, probably as much to do with the health of its RB and WR than with Wahle. But making the point that the guard can't do this alone.

And can someone tell me who you bench to play Witherspoon? And who plays the SAM? And if the answer is to draft Vernon Davis, should we carry 5 TEs?

I think Woodson signed beacuse he would take a lot of cash up front and no guaratees he would be around for the remainder of the contract.

And it might be a good idea to remember than the structure of the contract could explain why so many FAs didn't stop in GB for long. Not just the cash total.

[KYPack]

I am sorry I caught this thread so late. I find that McGinn's assessment rings true, and I am curious if Woodson's lack of flexibility has been one of the contributing factors to bad communication.

But if Wahle, Hutchinson and ::genuflect:: LOGAN MANKINS aren't testimony to the way a guard can't put you over the top, then I don't know what is.

It took a rookie and a bad opposition run D and a punch and judy WR corp for New England to put together a dominating run game. Others have reflected on the Vikings struggles.

And Carolina has struggled mightily (until this week) to find it running game, probably as much to do with the health of its RB and WR than with Wahle. But making the point that the guard can't do this alone.

And can someone tell me who you bench to play Witherspoon? And who plays the SAM? And if the answer is to draft Vernon Davis, should we carry 5 TEs?

You'd play Witherspoon at SAM. He's one of those rare ones who can play all 3 effectively. He's a MIKE at St Lou and played both weak & strrong at Carolina. Played all 3 at UGA.

I really didn't moan when they didn't get him, I'm never in favor of super high dollar FA's. But with the idea we were going to spend all that cake on Woodson, we shudda signed WW and let Carroll try one last time at CB.

That's second guessing to the max, tho.

[SkinBasket]

'cause Hutch is a rare guard where as Tauscher and Clifton are solid but not rare tackles.

Now if only we could find a unique guard. Or maybe collect a set so that they enhance each other's abilities, that would be ideal. But set collecting is an arduous task outside the MP setting.


I agree that the assesment of Hutch was a reach at best, but I think he's right on about most of what he says about Charles.

[Zool]

'cause Hutch is a rare guard where as Tauscher and Clifton are solid but not rare tackles.

Now if only we could find a unique guard. Or maybe collect a set so that they enhance each other's abilities, that would be ideal. But set collecting is an arduous task outside the MP setting.


I agree that the assesment of Hutch was a reach at best, but I think he's right on about most of what he says about Charles.

MTG nerd.

[SkinBasket]

I'll pit my Broken Tauscher of Fire +5 against your unique Hutch anyday.

[Zool]

Ah hah, but I've got the Birk of defence and the Mt McKinley fort with regen.