MCGINN STRIKES AGAIN..."TROUBLING SIGNS FROM WOODSON

[SkinBasket]

Ah hah, but I've got the Birk of defence and the Mt McKinley fort with regen.

Crap.

[woodbuck27]

the entire secondary has looked like shit, not just woodson

I said it before, and I'll say it again, our secondary is whats holding us back right now

We have 2 pro bowl cb's that both look like shit, a 2nd year saftey that looks much worse then he did his first year, another saftey that started half the season last year and started in the super bowl, you now looks completely lost, and a young CB that could be called on every single play he's in the game for illegal use of hands, or pass interference.

the rest of the d, except pop, look pretty solid.


and all those guys have one thing in common, the secondary coach

We knew prior to the regular season opening, that if we could establish an offense early in games, that would force the opposition's game plan to revert to tackling OUR weakness if any in the secondary.To go to "the pass" more often than was necessary in 2005.

Yes OUR secondary is terrible.

Last season, it only appeared that we had a secondary that could defend against the pass, because it wasn't necessary for the oppposition to go there. We are all aware of that fact.

Teams last season opened fast on us and then only had to play it safe; reverting to the run as a primary means of controlling the battle of the clock.

We are seeing the statistical analysis call into question, the play of all four starters in OUR secondary.

Our starting Safety's

Nick Collins who as a sophomore isn't playing as well as he did primarily in the second half of 2005. Isn't Collins feeling "the heat" to do too much? Statistical analysis clearly shows, that the safety team of Collins and Marquand Manuel is clearly inferior to Collins and experienced Vet. Mark Roman, who in my way of seeing it, was cut prematurely with the leap we saw in Marviel Underwood's development.

The sudden release (timing aside) of S Mark Roman, may have appeared prudent to Ted Thompson but with Underwood going down for the season we are experiencing a "hindsight is 20/20 situation".

Many here criticized Roman's overall play, but that man made alot of tackles and again we may point to the fact we had to primarily defend against "the Run". It is fair to assess Romans coverage against "the Pass" when called to task there.

Ted Thompson brought in S Marquand Manuel, a player with limited experience that was going to be "the cats ass". I was led to believe that he would even call OUR defensive allignments on the field? Marquand Manuel hasn't demonstrated anything approaching what we trusted T2 for in his play.

We may elect to factor in "the fact", that Manuel hasn't been at 100% health and is still learning OUR system. How patient are we going to be with this safety? We have no other alternative as he's one of Ted Thompson's guys.

We are also experiencing Manuel's argument that he's being called to task and in his observation others arn't playing in their proper position.

I paraphrase... "He can't be at two places at once" Marquand Manuel

We read that Nick Barnett feels that OUR Team is failing on "D", as people are playing out of position or otherwise failing in assignment. Barnett hints to improper direction or Leadership on the field. Who is calling the Defensive plays as far as re-allignment on the field?

Who is BOSS on the field for OUR "D"?

It looks to me like 1999 and 2004 all over again.

In 2004 we saw the running game set aside somewhat for more offense via "the air". That means the opposition has to deal with "in your face Brett Favre". That as we're seeing the past two outings leads to a shootout. That pits our teams ability to defend the pass against the other teams pass "D", and this season we see OUR secondary play is JUST HORRIBLE.

Part of the blame lies in OUR Teams inability to pressure the QB with a proper pass rush. Our DE's talent and ability is called into question. Last season and this, the middle of OUR DL had been adequate but we need to see more focus on heat on the opposition's QB to set up for the pass.

OUR starting CB's

We are seeing OUR CB's play less than satisfactory.

How can that be? When T2 brought in LCB Charles Woodson as an upgrade over last season's LCB Ahmad Carroll, at a huge expense and with a return, that to date isn't paying off?

Lets get REAL here.

Charles Woodson is what he is /has been before landing another huge payday with us. I read McGinn and cannot refute his plain language on Charles Woodson.

McGinn tells us "the straight up facts". Yes, it may annoy some here to see his in OUR face TRUTH. Charles Woodson is all about Charles Woodson. Charles Woodson hasn't been nor may ever be "a Team player". We need an entire starting allignment on "D" and "O" of just that...Team players.

Otherwise, deficiencies in player talent level and attitude takes center stage.

To date, to say that FA Charles Woodson is failing is an understatement. Oh... but he's one that loans the coaching staff versatility.

Decent punt returner?

Check out C. Woodson's average punt return? We had a member here (yesterday) putting down Rookie Reggie Bush and his ONLY 8 yard punt return average? Charles woodson has never demonstrated exceptional skills as a punt returner in his NFL Career, as I recall researching his potential there.

Yes. We must see C. Woodson in all his many aspects of value to us. What value are you seeing in his regular season to date? I'm not impressed considering his over the top cost to us against OUR CAP. He's second in cost to OUR CAP to only Brett Favre.

Brett Favre or Charles Woodson....Uhhh !

Al Harris.

We are aware of his hard work in a extra curricular sense in the past, with long hours reviewing tape to refine his craft. The signing of C.Woodson, at what the two make comparitively in 2006.. a clear slap in the puss to Al Harris.

Yet, that is ...what's on Al Harris's plate for the remainder of this season. Al's upset and the media classifies it... as Al's annoyance with what Ted Thompson dole'd out to retain a man who works his butt off, just as Al Harris did, LDE Aaron Kampman.

I say baloney to that.

Al Harris is annoyed with the money dole'd out to Charles Woodson, when Al Harris feels he's a superior CB. How can these two CB's be a Team and do a proper job in OUR secondary, if they don't have their heads together, if they don't communicate?

That's right.

Wrap Up.

So what is before us Packer fans?

What I see is a mess in OUR secondary with questions regarding Leadership, REAL skill sets, less than desirable attitudes and opinions on other members of the secondary or scapegoating and only 3 games into the schedule. Not cool.

We are seeing too much talk ..not enough, even decent play on the field. We are seeing blame shifted here and there from one player to the other's , we see plain and simple blown or droped assignments, laziness (no hussel) particularly with Daddy Warbucks..."Charles Woodson", who we can say... needs more time... but COME ON!

Charles Woodson has been in the NFL and played very well years earlier in his career, that is in effect shutting down. Not much in the tank !If he still had it then he would be calling it "Old HOME Season" down in Tampa Bay... with his old HC John Gruden.

If he was such a playa, wouldn't John Gruden have scooped him up for "the BUCS"?

What we are seeing is a secondary that has a multitude of doing too many things wrong, at a time in a season, where the play of Favre is calling upon them to get it done and they are failing miserably against "the Pass".

What are we giving up via the pass? Something like 310 yards a game. Good grief. That sucks, and be prepared for Donovan McNabb to kill us with the pass, even if we have decent success in operating within a game plan to STOP Eagles RB Brian Westbrook.

We need a Game Plan that does two things:

a) containd Brian Westbrook within reason.

b) Puts heat on QB Donovan McNabb, to not allow his comfort level or we see the shootout lean to "the Eagles", as clearly their "D" is better than OURS from a talent standpoint. That means they will "in fact" game plan to disrupt Favre.

Tonight comes down to their "D" Vs our "D".

Back to the Packer Secondary:

Is it coaching? It certainly is a BIG factor. Because it's up to "the Coaching" staff, to prepare the players from a basis of understanding the defensive schemes. Then with solid attitudes gained in practise, applying that with confidence in one another in game situations.

Is it all on poor coaching?

NO ! It's a two way street.

Every member of the Packer secondary starting Team, must be entirely committed to the plan to stop the pass. That Secondary team also must possess the talents, attitude to work ethic, the TEAM PLAYER attitude...the professional pride...

To reduce the opposition's impact against "the Green Bay Packers" via the air. All four starters and the Coaching staff must have a philosophy and plan, as to how to get the ball back for "the "O" ASAP.

Ted Thompson needs all four members of OUR starting Secondary with it , in regards to committment to "the Packers", as a first FIRST priority.

** Players with a committed hard work ethic. An excellent attitude and confidence belief in one another.

CB Charles Woodson hardly fits that mold.

That ** hasn't been the case obviously, or otherwise OUR secondary needs a complete assesment for hard truth's to turn it around... and get there really soon. Otherwise... expect the onslaugh via "the pass" from any decent QB to embarass us.

I'm not going to say:

Toss anybody as yet. Especially given... that the blame for the condition of OUR secondary... falls in so many directions.

The Packers have work to do, and they need a gut check. They havw a ways to go.