Carroll Released

[Astonishment]

Reading between the lines it seems as if Carroll didn't take well to the coaching (attitude wise - of coarse the secondary coaching is bed). Even if this wasn't the case Carroll lack of improvement was the reason he is gone.

[mission]

You make it sound like Bush and Dendy have never played football before. If Bush gets burned for a touchdown this week and commits two penalites what have we lost ? IF he was not going to play in the secondary anymore, then it was the correct move.

THIS is the bottom line folks. Christ!

All you guys wondering who's gonna be the replacement and oh wow, how can you do something like this without a "backup plan" are failing to get a grasp on this.

ANYONE on the Packers' squad would be an adequate replacement for FAILURE. If anyone covers anyone just once, gets a knocked down pass or doesnt on one play get called for a penalty then we've improved as a team. I have a hard time believing there is a player on the Packer sideline who can't do exactly what Carroll did for three years: get torched.

At least give one of these guys a chance to show he's a bit better than Carroll while also sending a message to the rest of the team. Seriously, call it a scapegoat -- who cares -- but we've been crying about this forever and it's a step in the right direction. Even if Bush ends up being a bit worse than Carroll in his first game (hard to believe), then at least we have some time to play the potential card for awhile. AC's is up, we've held onto that and it didnt take anyone anywhere in a positive direction. At least let me *hope* a guy can improve. With AC, that doesnt exist.

We don't need a backup plan. We will not lose ANYTHING in this. Forget special teams, forget all that. He's a cancer to this team and is prohibiting the development of other, more deserving players.

[jack's smirking revenge]

Carrol played like a rookie for 4 years. Crappy performance on MNF = cut. I like that they are not afraid to pull the trigger. Shows some balls and should be a warning shot to Shittyhiemer and Bob. guess who's gonna be next?


lol - buh-bye ShittyHeimer.

I agree. I like swift corrections to a recurring problem, even if it means that it has to happen during regular season. Carroll never EARNED a place on this team; it was given to him as a first round pick. The staff has been patient with him since he was drafted and lost patience.

Take this out of the frame of the NFL and equate this to your own workplace: if you continually underperformed and made your organization look foolish on a national stage, would you still have your job?

Hell no. You wouldn't be demoted to the mailroom; you'd be let go.

tyler

[Bossman641]

I'm still behind TT. Here's my problem with him though.

Everyone keeps praising TT for getting rid of the garbage and cutting the fat. That is the easy part, the hard part is replacing that garbage with something better.

So far, TT has failed at this almost every time. There's a reason why all these guys we pick up were on practice squads.

I just don't understand cutting Carroll when you have an inexperienced, injured player (Blackmon) and an inexperienced player (Bush) behind them. Carroll should have been demoted and moved to special teams.

If I were an opposing coordinator I'd line up with 3 and 4 wides every time

[mission]

If I were an opposing coordinator I'd line up with 3 and 4 wides every time

they have, they are, and they will continue to..........

[jack's smirking revenge]

If I were an opposing coordinator I'd line up with 3 and 4 wides every time

So would I. Which means that Bush, Blackmon or Dendy will be the bomb by the end of the season or we'll know exactly what we need during free agency.

tyler

[MJZiggy]

You're saying getting rid of Klemm & whatshisname at guard and replacing them with Spitz and Colledge/Moll was a bad idea????

[MJZiggy]

If I were an opposing coordinator I'd line up with 3 and 4 wides every time

So would I. Which means that Bush, Blackmon or Dendy will be the bomb by the end of the season or we'll know exactly what we need during free agency.

tyler

So how would that be different than the Philly game?

[mission]

If I were an opposing coordinator I'd line up with 3 and 4 wides every time

So would I. Which means that Bush, Blackmon or Dendy will be the bomb by the end of the season or we'll know exactly what we need during free agency.

tyler

So how would that be different than the Philly game?

it wouldnt be.

but at least it would be IMPROVING the player, helping the develop, getting them the reps they need.

AC has had that time, he's shown he cant adjust to a ball in the air, that he gets lost in space. if im gonna get burned, i at least want players getting better in the process.

[jack's smirking revenge]

If I were an opposing coordinator I'd line up with 3 and 4 wides every time

So would I. Which means that Bush, Blackmon or Dendy will be the bomb by the end of the season or we'll know exactly what we need during free agency.

tyler

So how would that be different than the Philly game?

it wouldnt be.

but at least it would be IMPROVING the player, helping the develop, getting them the reps they need.

AC has had that time, he's shown he cant adjust to a ball in the air, that he gets lost in space. if im gonna get burned, i at least want players getting better in the process.

Exactly. Lito Sheppard and Al Harris were compotent backups. Once they got reps, they excelled. We won't know about Bush or Dendy or Blackmon until they have regular reps.

tyler

[packrulz]

Its possible that the school of thought is to release him now in the hopes that someone picks him up this season. That way his cap figure applys completely to this season and not next.

Someone will pick him up. Right or wrong he was cut. I am glad he's gone. He just wasnt cutting it. We had 2 DB's to replace him in TC, but they were both hurt. They are both near healthy now, so lets move on and see what we have.

Zool has a good point, I'm sure TT considers the money they are wasting on Carroll. They can pay Bush or Dendy a lot less to screw up. I don't think Blackmon is good to go yet, but I'm guessing since MM mentioned Bush & Dendy.

[Sparkey]

I'm still behind TT. Here's my problem with him though.

Everyone keeps praising TT for getting rid of the garbage and cutting the fat. That is the easy part, the hard part is replacing that garbage with something better.

So far, TT has failed at this almost every time.

Hmmm,

Traded a Javon Walker & replaced with a Greg Jennings

Cut Sharper and acquired Collins

Wahle & Rivera go and are replaced with Colledge/Spitz/Moll

Lenon & Navies gone replaced with Hawk & Hodge & Taylor

Carrol replaced with Woodson

Sanders replaced with Ryan

Longwell replaced with Rayner


The issue isn't that he hasn't brought in replacements, its that usually some replacements are from earlier drafts. BUT, instead TT has had too do this in a two year window because of the poor depth and drafts of previous years.

Lets face it, most players take 2-3 years to come into their own and the poor drafting and subsequent crash in overall team performance is the result.

[BooHoo]

Carrol isn't a big loss. I never thought he played well and he is/was a liability on the field. He was selected way to high in the draft. Maybe another team will pick him up. At least TT is not afraid to make decisions.

[chain_gang]

I'd have to say I'm against this move, we don't have many options at CB. Carroll's story was a tale of two halves. Great in the first, lousy in the second. However, in other games he did give up TD's, but he was kind of responsible for our lone win so far. With the tight coverage, ball deflection against the lions that Manuel returned for a TD. Now here's a stat I'd like to see. TD's Manuel was responsible for vs. Carroll's.

But to call for one players head, when the whole secondary(exception of woodson) is playing like crap is ridiculous. The beloved Nick Collins looks lost in coverage, Manuel no need to beat a dead horse, Harris-playing okay, but how can you not get up to a game against your former team. The last time I saw something like this was in 2004 with Slowik and Schot. Players blaming miscommunication and crap. Wasn't that the year Mckenzie wanted out before the season. This whole secondary looks lost, and worse yet they look like they don't even want to play for these coaches, and that's the most troublesome.

Another point is, the plays Carroll was beat on badly were longer passes, routes that took a bit to develope. If you give any quarterback to much time too throw their going to pick you apart. Ex. Kitna, Brees, Grossman, McNabb.

But the main fact is Carroll is gone, and now there is no experience. Blackmon has to have an adjustment period, and I think it'll be a while. He's been hurt so look for him to make his main contributions next year. Needs conditioning, Played Wr. last year in college, Dendy and Bush I honestly don't know much about, but I guess I won't have to wait long.

On a side note, I would recommend picking up the Rams 3 and 4 WRs. If you have a glaring hole in your receiving core. They should be able to put up some good numbers.

[BooHoo]

But to call for one players head, when the whole secondary(exception of woodson) is playing like crap is ridiculous.

A possible reason for Carrol's dismissal might be that he has never consistently played well. He does not have a great track record and maybe he already reached his full potential.

Two other possible thoughts about the release of Carrol: (1) TT could have wanted to send a message to the other players and Carrol was the most expendible, thus the choice to axe; (2) TT wanted to show eveyone that he wasn't just sitting back given his terrible record. Releasing Caroll takes the medias eyes off of TT and puts it on Carrol (at least for a period of time). If this season's record is similiar to last year, then it is only a matter of time before the media talks about TT the way they do about the man in Detroit.

Don't misunderstand my thoughts, I am not calling for TT's release. Actually, I have been a full supporter going back to the JSO days. However, if his poor record continues "fire TT" talk will become loud.