Carroll Released

[Harlan Huckleby]

Here's what doesn't quite add-up for me:

From the first day of camp until October 2, the coaches hold that Carroll is the third best CB on the roster.

On October 2, Carroll is better than Patrick Dendy, Jarred Bush and Will Blackman. On October 3 he is worse than all three.

How could the coaches have been so wrong for so long? Or was it an over-reaction to cut him rather than move him down the depth chart?

[MJZiggy]

The difference is that the young players can be stashed on the practice squad. Carroll was not practice squad eligible.

[Patler]

Here's what doesn't quite add-up for me:

From the first day of camp until October 2, the coaches hold that Carroll is the third best CB on the roster.

On October 2, Carroll is better than Patrick Dendy, Jarred Bush and Will Blackman. On October 3 he is worse than all three.

How could the coaches have been so wrong for so long? Or was it an over-reaction to cut him rather than move him down the depth chart?

It is more likely that at the first day of the regular season, Carroll was the most suitable for the nickle spot, because Dendy had been hurt and out for a good portion of camp, Blackmon was hurt, Horton's time ran out and Hawkins faded away. This necessitated signing Bush, who needed a few weeks to learn the new defensive system. As Bush learned and Dendy healed they became legitimate options, and more importantly, Carroll did nothing to show that he was a better option than they were.

It is really no different than what happened to Joey Thomas last year. He went from being the nickel back one day to being unemployed the next day too, just like Carroll. He even started ahead of Carroll for one game. Did you miss Joey Thomas?

[Harlan Huckleby]

I suppose being eligible for PS is some advantage.

I think Carroll could function as both a 4th safety and 4th CB, and be better than the alternatives. I think the Coaches don't want Carroll for the future, and just got rid of him so they can develop the prospects more. A rebuilding year move.

[Harlan Huckleby]

It is really no different than what happened to Joey Thomas last year. He went from being the nickel back one day to being unemployed the next day too, just like Carroll. He even started ahead of Carroll for one game. Did you miss Joey Thomas?

I think Carroll will make it in the NFL. I suppose the situations are similar, but Carroll has significant NFL experience as a starter.

[Patler]

It is really no different than what happened to Joey Thomas last year. He went from being the nickel back one day to being unemployed the next day too, just like Carroll. He even started ahead of Carroll for one game. Did you miss Joey Thomas?

I think Carroll will make it in the NFL. I suppose the situations are similar, but Carroll has significant NFL experience as a starter.

There was a time not too long ago that I would have agreed with you. I'm not sure now. He likely will get a few more looks by other teams, but very well could be unemployed three years from now (at least by NFL teams).

[digitaldean]

Carroll has had interest from several teams, namely the Chiefs and the Patriots.

The Patriots are desparately thin at CB and may be willing to take the risk on him.

The Chiefs had him in for a workout.

Maybe Belichek can transform chicken salad out of chicken "you know". The articles I've read have scouts stating Carroll (in their estimation) needs a technique overhaul.

Whodda thunk it?

[Patler]

The articles I've read have scouts stating Carroll (in their estimation) needs a technique overhaul.

Whodda thunk it?

Isn't he 2.25 years into that technique overhaul??

[MadtownPacker]

Maybe Belichek can transform chicken salad out of chicken "you know". The articles I've read have scouts stating Carroll (in their estimation) needs a technique overhaul.

Hmm, maybe that is their way of implying the DB coach sucks?

[pbmax]

The only explanation that fits is that Carroll was NOT in their long term plan. He was essentially on reverse PUP, he would Play Until People came back.

If Dendy and Bush are ready to be tested (a big if), then Carroll's status had more to do with his backups than his perfromance Monday night. His future was sealed, the only variable was his release date.

What is odd is, as Patler has stated, that Blackmon, especially after they didn't put him on normal PUP, was the candidate you would have wagered on to take his position. But he is still hurt.

So TT must really want to see the other two play. Carroll is a known, flawed asset. He wants to see how bad he needs another corner next year, and how soon his rent on Woodson will be up. TT apparently doesn't agree with KYPack that they cold be damaged by being exposed this early.

Its hard to bite the bullet of being even worse for the year, even if its for the long term good.

[Harlan Huckleby]

McGinn wrote a column on the Carroll move today. Maybe one of you rich guys with access can repost it? Thanks.

[Fosco33]

McGinn wrote a column on the Carroll move today. Maybe one of you rich guys with access can repost it? Thanks.

Where's B? Hungover from celebrating yesterday's easy W for UW

Edit - apparently Mr. Bretsky is one of the lucky few that gets to go to Camp Randall and Lambeau in one weekend. Bastard.

[KYPack]

McGinn wrote a column on the Carroll move today. Maybe one of you rich guys with access can repost it? Thanks.

McGinn's column is titled "Carroll Cutting was Premature"

& it was.

That was a knee jerk, panic move if I ever saw one.

I'll take HH's point. The guy couldn't go from #1 Nickle, # 1 Dime and back-up corner to gone in a matter of days. If you do that, you are admitting a big mistake someplace in your evaluation criteria.

This no big loss or anything, but we will eventually find ourselves short bc of this decision.

Hey, Carroll had a dogshit game, one of the worst I've ever seen, but we have needs beyond punishing the fool.

B-Man, publish that article after you recover, if you please.

[digitaldean]

Maybe Belichek can transform chicken salad out of chicken "you know". The articles I've read have scouts stating Carroll (in their estimation) needs a technique overhaul.

Hmm, maybe that is their way of implying the DB coach sucks?

Bingo! (and the Packers shouldn't have brought him back for another go-around to figure that one out)