Starting to appreciate what Sherman did for GB?

[PackerBlues]

Ok, only time will tell just how much we should or should not have appreciated Shermans time in GB as a coach and GM. I for one, have still not jumped on the TT bandwagon, and I am not about to any time soon. I have not seen enough improvements to this team to warrant jumping on his bandwagon.
In my opinion, Sherman had his hands full keeping the team competitive while patching things as he went along. I keep reading peoples arguments about Joe Johnson......very weak arguments. Everyone got a hard-on for that signing. It was a risk that did not work, but nobody knew it at the time! Then we have people still cryin about using a 3rd round pick on a punter.......ok, I was one of em.....but, I still think that was a move that was made due to salary cap problems more than anything. How much would a reciever or O-lineman have held out for? Draftin the punter kinda made sense in a screwy kinda way, when you take it in the context of how Sherman was going about holding the team together. He had said that he was going to lose Wahle or Rivera, but not both and that he might lose Sharper if he wanted to much money. He was straight up with everyone, and said what he wanted to do. (unlike TT)
Before you all start bashing me for sticking up for Sherman, consider this simple fact......GB consistently had winning records under Sherman. He held the team together by patching holes as he went along, and for the most part it worked. Yes he had salary cap issues and it was tight, but we were winning, and in the end isnt that what really counted?
As opposed to TT and the wrecking ball he dropped on Titletown. Yay, we have cap room now.........but what year do you think we will see the playoffs again? Last year was pathetic, and the only fun part about this year is Favre. The biggest argument for TT........"we are building for the future"........whatever. Until the future arrives we have just taken the place of the Cincinnati Bungles as the joke of the NFL.

[billy_oliver880]

So you honestly beleive we were going to stay on top forever? We were losing our core group of players and not getting them rebuilt. I think you would have seen the same with sherman. Could have been worse.

[PackerBlues]

ya.......The same thing might have happened with Sherman, I will agree with that. But saying that it could have been worse??? How much worse would it have to get to be worse than it is now???

[The Leaper]

I don't appreciate anything.

Sherman the coach had inherited a roster left by Ron Wolf that I could've coached to the playoffs...especially considering the incredibly sorry state of the NFC North during Sherman's tenure.

Sherman the GM wasted the final half of Favre career. Despite the fact that he was given a roster full of great talent, and only needed to add a couple pieces to get over the top...Sherman consistently failed to add ANYTHING of value. Javon Walker was his best pickup...and he gave us ONE...repeat ONE...great season. 4 out of 5 additions to the roster by Sherman were MISERABLE FAILURES.

Anyone even trying to defend Sherman is a fool. The guy might have had the greatest intentions. The guy might have gave 110%. Bottom line is Sherman wasted the latter half of one of the greatest QBs ever by constantly taking stupid risks in the draft and procuring very little talent through free agency.

A bunch of 12-4 seasons...ending in a bunch of playoff losses on your home turf...is not my idea of something I appreciate.

[Lurker64]

In a word: No.

In several more words: I still resent the fact that Sherman inherited a good situation and made a mess of it.

[gbpackfan]

I just don't get how you can say you don't see any improvement in this team. I know, they are not a Super Bowl contender, but that will come. The LB's are better, the O line is better then last year and Greg Jennings is quite a find. There is def. improvement. TT's draft picks are much better then Sherman's were.

[PackerBlues]

12-4 records are unappreciated because they ened in losses in the playoffs? WOW! Last year ended at 4-12, and if you are going to tell me that you liked that better.......whatever.

This team is improved? Maybe. Maybe we can shoot for the moon and go 5-11 this year.

[gbpackfan]

Cry some more. That helps. Teams have ups and downs, that is a fact of life in the NFL. If they are 4-12, 5-11 next season, then I'll grab a pitch fork and stand next to you.

[HarveyWallbangers]

It's not like Sherman went 12-4 every year. He did go one and out nearly every year in the playoffs though. I have nothing against Sherman as a person and possibly not as a coach, but I hold two things against him: 1) not going for it on 4th and 1 in the playoff game vs. Philly in their territory with the best rushing offense in the league against a poor run defense (and with a pretty mediocre defense of his own), and 2) his horrible GM moves. He was in over his head as GM/coach.

[billy_oliver880]

12-4 records are unappreciated because they ened in losses in the playoffs? WOW! Last year ended at 4-12, and if you are going to tell me that you liked that better.......whatever.

This team is improved? Maybe. Maybe we can shoot for the moon and go 5-11 this year.

So you are trying to tell me with Sherman's track record of drafting that we were going to stay on top forever. Did you look at the roster when he was stripped of his gm duties? We didn't have a solid core. Who cares if the record has dropped off man. It was going to happen sooner or later. We are building up a good group of youngsters. Believe it or not.

[The Leaper]

12-4 records are unappreciated because they ened in losses in the playoffs? WOW! Last year ended at 4-12, and if you are going to tell me that you liked that better.......whatever.

I do like it better.

We got AJ Hawk because of it. We got Greg Jennings because of it. We got Colledge, Spitz, Hodge and Moll because of it.

Maybe if Sherman had gone 4-12 once or twice, he would've been able to read enough of Mel Kiper's mock to actually draft a starting quality player for once.

I'll take a 4-12 season that produces a wealth of young talent in the draft ANY DAY over a 12-4 season produced by smoke and mirrors in a division of patsies, which is exposed for what it is in the playoffs...and sticks us so low in the draft that we have to hope to land an impact player.

Our franchise was dominant in Lambeau for decades in the postseason. Sherman ruined it.

And you fawn desperate hot man-love for him still? Ridiculous.

[FavreChild]

It's not like Sherman went 12-4 every year. He did go one and out nearly every year in the playoffs though. I have nothing against Sherman as a person and possibly not as a coach, but I hold two things against him: 1) not going for it on 4th and 1 in the playoff game vs. Philly in their territory with the best rushing offense in the league against a poor run defense (and with a pretty mediocre defense of his own), and 2) his horrible GM moves. He was in over his head as GM/coach.

Pretty much sums it up for me, too.

I feel Sherman got a raw deal as far as his coaching goes and his relationship with the players. Most of the attacks against Sherman are emotional, unfair, and have no merit - other than the two specific critiques Harvey states.

Sherman will be a head coach again somewhere, and will probably do a nice job. I don't much understand why people feel the need to keep attacking Sherman, although I suppose I can understand that people want to believe that the right decision was made in firing him.

[FritzDontBlitz]

ya.......The same thing might have happened with Sherman, I will agree with that. But saying that it could have been worse??? How much worse would it have to get to be worse than it is now???

it can always be worse, my friend. had we let sherman continue as gm he would have taken a bust at #5 and then traded away half the rest of his picks to pick up two marginal players.

a team hurting for 5 or 6 fresh contributors in the offseason would have got maybe one, the rest of the picks would have been m2's legendary "projects" (think robert ferguson) who would have sat on the roster for years before we had to dump them.

wait until tt has a chance to clean up sherman's mess, then you'll be able to see the future....

[retailguy]

Welcome to the forum Packer Blues. Don't let the "anti Sherman" crowd drive you away. there are a lot of us here who liked sherman as a coach but moreso as a person.

As to all the bashing - consider the source. If some of these guys judged their own job performance by the same criteria they judge Sherman they'd almost all be hopelessly unemployed.

No coach we've ever had worked HARDER than Sherman. Sherman just didn't win the big one. If he had, this would be all water under the bridge. If people spent more time understanding what the word "perspective" meant, you'd be able to have a more substantive debate.

Jury is still out on TT & M3. To be fair we must give them more time, however, it is NO FUN watching them lose. I've been around following the team since the Bengston years and you gotta admit - even at 4-12 it was still better than the 70's and most of the 80's.... Praise God for that.

Anyhow, WELCOME to the forum. We're glad you're here!

[PackerBlues]

Try to start a post on Looking back on what Sherman did for GB, and I get TT cheerleaders and ignorant bashing. " desperate hot man-love " wow, impressive.
Then we have the guys that can not only see the future, but also know what would have happened if this had happened or if that had happened. Any of you chumps have some lottery numbers you want to share with the rest of us?