Starting to appreciate what Sherman did for GB?

[GBRulz]

HA! I haven't seen that one, SC!!! Love it

[PackerTimer]

Time, as in nap time?

thanks for the laugh. that joke will never get old.

[The Leaper]

Do we get to pick our own carpet remnant for nap time?

I bet Sherman had a few nap times during his drafts too. He impresses me as one of those guys who would only sleep on the scratchiest berber pads he could find.

[VegasPackFan]

Why does it seem that Shermy apologists usually lack reasoning skills?

He was a good guy with good intentions, so I wont ever bash the guy personally. But he was SLOWLY killing this team. We were on a slow but sure decline. Kind of like the frog in the water as the heat slowly gets turned up. The frog doesnt even notice that soon he is cooking in boiling water. That was us.

Sherman lacked the gutsy attitude that it takes to make it in a macho sport like football. He just lacked killer instinct. The current regime is an improvement in every way.

[GrnBay007]

He just lacked killer instinct.

Hey now, we did see that killer instinct that time he wanted a piece of Warren Sapp.

[Iron Mike]

He just lacked killer instinct.

Hey now, we did see that killer instinct that time he wanted a piece of Warren Sapp.

Heh heh.......

[Sparkey]

Sherman showed, again, why the majority of the time it is not a good idea to give a guy both the Head Coach and GM titles.

Reason being, their goals are not always the same and sometimes you need too take a slight step back to take a large step forward.

[PackerBlues]

I thought that was great the way Sherman got in Sapps face. I thought the concern he showed for Clifton really showed a lot of character


Then I read this on JSonline this morning.


"But general manager Ted Thompson said emphatically that he wanted Ferguson back next season.

"Absolutely not, no" Thompson said when asked if the Packers were considering an injury settlement. "We want Robert with us. We want him to be a Packer. This doesn't have anything to do with any history he's had in the past and any injury he's had. This is just a bad-luck injury. It's just part of the price you pay in the National Football League."


I think that also shows character and class........if what TT is saying is true. I have read in another post about how Ferguson is the mirror image on offense to what Ahmad Carroll was to the defense. I kinda had to agree. I am pretty sure that Chatman had very comparable numbers to Fergy in his last year with the Pack. (catches, yards, TD's) and TT had no problem shipping him down the road (not that I minded.....I thought he was to small).
So, he has a chance to Dump Fergy with an injury settlement, and instead shows class in allowing Fergy to get healed up before he cuts his ass (with any luck).

[Packnut]

Sherman

Sherman's coaching career will always be defined by the Philly game. He blew it and has no one to blame but himself. Games like that seperate the mediocre from the great.

[Bossman641]

Sherman was a decent coach, bad GM. I would have liked to see him paired with a GM for more than one season to see what they could have done.

SHERMAN IS GONE THOUGH. GET OVER IT.

Some people seem to get enjoyment out of tearing Sherman down....over and over again.

[mraynrand]

Why does it seem that Shermy apologists usually lack reasoning skills?

He was a good guy with good intentions, so I wont ever bash the guy personally. But he was SLOWLY killing this team.

Actually, I find that most people who HATE Shermy lack reasoning skills. They typically focus on the 4th and one, the #3 for Sander and giving money to KGB and Joe Johnson.

The truth is that Sherman wasn't slowly killing the team, he was doing it very rapidly. It should be obvious that Sherman was going for broke trying to win one last time with an aging QB and roster.

Sherman walked into GB with a sorry beat up veteran squad and one final fantastic GM year from Wolf. Sherman had crap along the D-line (Theirry, Dotson, Brown, Holliday. Maryland was past his prime but was brought in to replace the ever expanding Brown, and KGB was a rook), O-line (Verba, Winters, Dotson(played two games) and two rookies, LB crew (Bernardo Harris and A beat up Brian Williams were 'the best' on this crew, WR (Schroeder - marginal and Freeman - washed up, led this group) and RB (Levens was washed up, Hendo still competent, Green the FA aquisition) when he arrived. To say that the squad that Sherman inhereted 'was loaded with talent' is just a bunch of crap.

There will always be an argument about what is the most important factor between guys drafted being talented versus a coach bringing out that talent - so I give equal credit to Wolf and Sherman for drafting, aquiring, developing and using the talents of Clifton, Tauscher, KGB, Franks, and Green. Wolfs' 1999 and 2001 drafts were so-so and pretty crappy, so Sherman pretty much got the pre-1999 hold-overs, the 2000 guys, plus McKenzie, Driver, and Martin.

Sherman clearly was playing for 'now' by spending draft picks on players: two 4s for Glenn, a 2 for Harris and a 2 for moving up to get Walker. The Joe Johnson signing was to try to fix the Reynold debacle.

What Sherman did right: Sherman got Favre as a ten year vet, and developed the best running attack in Packer history to protect Favre as well as keeping the O-line intact. Recall that Favre was injured in both 2002 (knee) and 2003 (thumb). If you don't think that these injuries required some decent coaching to overcome, you missed the games. Also, if you missed the horrendous collection of injuries during 2002 that derailed an 8-1 team, you also weren't watching. Injuries matter, especially when they take away 3 of your starting O-linemen, a defensive end, top two wideouts, top two running backs, your TE, your best safety, etc. all for the critical wild card playoff game. In 2002, it was the injuries, stupid.

Did Sherman screw up in the 2003 playoffs? Well, yes, because he didn't win. But none of the calls he made were individually all that bad. Many other coaches would have made the same calls. Going for it on fourth and one on the goal line to get a big lead. Punting on 4th and one to protect a 3 point lead. Playing zone on 4th and 26. Each of these plays could have turned out right had the execution been correct and/or the luck fair.

I would argue that what happened after the 2003 playoff loss is what earned Sherman a ticket out of town. Screwing up the McKenzie situation (he should have traded him before the draft to get a #2 at that point), screwing up the D-coor change (inexplicable to get a guy with a crazy scheme that didn't fit the roster). The 2004 draft was his worst of the three by far. Finally, I also think it was absurd for Harlan to fire Sherman as GM and keep him on as coach. That was wrong for Sherman AND TT.

Sherman did a lot of good, but he really mucked it up in the end. A very good organizational scheme coach, an average game day coach, and a poor, go-for-broke, risk-taking GM.

[retailguy]

Why does it seem that Shermy apologists usually lack reasoning skills?

He was a good guy with good intentions, so I wont ever bash the guy personally. But he was SLOWLY killing this team.

Actually, I find that most people who HATE Shermy lack reasoning skills. They typically focus on the 4th and one, the #3 for Sander and giving money to KGB and Joe Johnson.

QUOTED FOR TRUTH. Well said mraynrand.

I stand by my earlier comment. If every single person in these forums had their job performance "defined" by cherry picking bad incidents, NONE OF US would have jobs. Everyone makes mistakes, and most have absolutely ZERO to do with the money we make.

Leaper, you underestimate the earning potential and the responsibility that many people in these forums have. Just because you do something insignificant for a living, doesn't mean the rest of us do the same.

Sherman paid a HEAVY PUBLIC price for it. Get over it....

[FritzDontBlitz]

Try to start a post on Looking back on what Sherman did for GB, and I get TT cheerleaders and ignorant bashing. " desperate hot man-love " wow, impressive.
Then we have the guys that can not only see the future, but also know what would have happened if this had happened or if that had happened. Any of you chumps have some lottery numbers you want to share with the rest of us?

that's funny. you seem to know that it wouldn't have gotten any worse if sherman would have been kept around but that's NOT thinking you can predict the future? disagreeing with you is not necessarily cheerleading for tt, nor is it bashing mike sherman. my reply may have been blunt, but i stated the reasons i believe the team is better off after parting ways with sherman. i believe sherman was a decent enough coach but was done in by his own ineptness as gm. now, keep something else in mind: tt retained sherman for a year AND gave him a two year extension to give him room to work, but didn't feel that sherman was willing to work with tt after he was forced to step down as gm.

and btw: spare me the "hot man-love" comments. lame jabs like that would make me reply "who needs hot man-love when your momma is available and willing?"

[FritzDontBlitz]

by the way, i'd like to point out something i haven't seen mentioned much since it was accomplished.

in a few years mike sherman will probably become a mere footnote in packers coaching history. what mike sherman will probably best be remembered for is the beautiful renovation of lambeau field. from all accounts he did a great job overseeing that, and its something he should always be proud of.

[mraynrand]

in a few years mike sherman will probably become a mere footnote in packers coaching history. what mike sherman will probably best be remembered for is the beautiful renovation of lambeau field. from all accounts he did a great job overseeing that, and its something he should always be proud of.

He did a nice job on the drywall in the Atrium mens' rooms. I also liked the choice of lighting he got on sale at Home depot. It sure was a mess though, when he tried to re-install the toilets - had to call in the pumber on that one.