If Quinn falls

[Charles Woodson]

To understand how good Quinn is you have to understand how bad Notre Dame was.

Well we hope everyone understands how f***ing bad ND was... For shits sake they were murdered in the sugar bowl, ND's defense made Jamarcus Russlle look like donovan Mcnabb...

[J-Rok]

Screw Nall. We've got Todd Bouman.

[ND72]

#1, Quinn will NOT fall.

#2, A lot of people don't understand how good Brady Quinn actually is. I'm a HUGE Notre Dame fan, and I"ll be the first one to tell you, they were BAD, this year. And the only reason they won, or were even in any games this year, was because of Brady Quinn. He was as important to Notre Dame, as Peyton Manning is to Indy. Without Manning, Indy is an 8-8 team...without Quinn, they were a 3-9 team. Notre Dame is over rated, Brady Quinn is under-rated.

[Deputy Nutz]

granted he did make that funny looking white wide receiver into an All-American, but he just doesn't have that awarness in the pocket that all the good ones have, ala Brett Favre, Tom Brady, Steve Young, Joe Montana, John Elway. He is a a good athlete but to me he is missing that natural instinct to create on his own, and like it or not that is an important trait to have for an NFL caliber QB.

[ND72]

Coming out of college, Tom Brady was listed as a guy with all the "tools"...he just didn't have the instincts or arm strength to make it...

Quinn's instincts are what make him so good. He can feel where the pressure is coming from, he knows where to move, and where to place a ball. He's a student of the game, like Manning. PLUS, he's had 2 years of NFL "experience" with Charlie Weis. He'll be by far better than JaMarcus Russell....I put my word on that, and you can save it and show it to me if i'm wrong, but I won't be...Brady Quinn will be a Franchise.

[Deputy Nutz]

Coming out of college, Tom Brady was listed as a guy with all the "tools"...he just didn't have the instincts or arm strength to make it...

Quinn's instincts are what make him so good. He can feel where the pressure is coming from, he knows where to move, and where to place a ball. He's a student of the game, like Manning. PLUS, he's had 2 years of NFL "experience" with Charlie Weis. He'll be by far better than JaMarcus Russell....I put my word on that, and you can save it and show it to me if i'm wrong, but I won't be...Brady Quinn will be a Franchise.

Thats why Tom was a 6th round pick, his instincts were a bit hidden. In my opinion Quinn takes too many sacks, and gets hit a little too often. I am sorry, he just doesn't have the "it" factor for me, but I would be willing to chance the 16th pick in the draft on it though.

[Patler]

I have seen virtually every game Brady Quinn has played at ND, either in person or on television. Many of his sacks have come with a lineman getting absolutely overrun. The pass protection he has received has been amazingly inconsistent. Great at times, but then horrid for several series in the same game. It has been inexplicable to me. Part of having "feel" in the pocket is knowing what to expect from your line in given situations. The ND O-line has been anything but predictable from one series to the next.

Quinn is one tough kid, and he has a stronger arm than many realize. I think his improved accuracy under Weiss has come in part because he has not tried to throw everything as hard as he can. As a feshman, he just gunned it on every throw, and showed a very strong arm. Quinn still experiences streaks of wildness, just like all hard throwers do when they are young. Young pitchers do to. Quinn should get over that as he matures.

69 TDs and 14 interceptions the last two years in almost 900 attempts, for 7000 yards and 63% completions while throwing downfield, outs and not just dinky and dunking can't be overlooked. He is a fierce competitor and a natural leader. Those who know him say all he does is work out and study football. Weis said at the end of 2005 that Quinn picked up his offense better than any QB he has ever been around, including Brady. He also seems to be a kid with a level head, not unlike what we saw from Hawk.

Quinn seems to have the size and physical abilities you want, and with him you feel assured that if he fails it won't be because of attitude or lack of effort. He will need a good coach, like all young NFL QBs do. But there is an awful lot to work with in Quinn.

[packrulz]

I agree with Patler, if Quinn drops to 16 TT better grab him, he's not a top 5 QB but he's too good to still be there at #16. Favre is thinking over retirement every year and one of these days he will do it. Arod is unproven, I like him, but what if he gets hurt again? If both turn out to be good QB's you can always trade one later, like SD did with Brees.

[Joemailman]

Packrulz,

Didn't San Diego just end up releasing Brees?

[Zool]

Brees' contract was up actually. They offered him like $2mil per season plus incentives and he felt insulted so he went looking.

[Merlin]

I say the more in camp the merrier. Rogers HAS been given a chance to show his stuff. What has he shown? Put him in there with the #2 or #3 (basically the practice squad) offense and see how he does. That's the only chance Ingle Martin got this past season. Rogers has been with the #1offense every snap he has played in pre-season and they regular season and in two year HAS DONE NOTHING!

By Rogers own admittance he said that he wasn't trying as hard as he could his rookie year because of Favre. Well, what about his second year? He didn't play that much better!

[Merlin]

I wouldn't pass on Quinn. He has been running an NFL style offense with college level players. He has a good arm and can read defenses. He seems to have the leadership qualities as well. That doesn't mean he will be a great NFL QB, but he has the skills. How can you take Rogers and not take Quinn? I still like that kid in Kentucky, Andre' Woodson. He posted a 154.5 rating and the three games I saw him play, he was unfrigginreal!

Andre' Woodson? He's a junior. I doubt he will go early. A great kid who's learned to use everything to make his club move the ball. A great college QB who might never play a down in the NFL.

Yup, I know he is and far as I know he hasn't declared. I like what I see in that kid. He is on a terrible team and yet he finds a way!

[Partial]

I have seen virtually every game Brady Quinn has played at ND, either in person or on television. Many of his sacks have come with a lineman getting absolutely overrun. The pass protection he has received has been amazingly inconsistent. Great at times, but then horrid for several series in the same game. It has been inexplicable to me. Part of having "feel" in the pocket is knowing what to expect from your line in given situations. The ND O-line has been anything but predictable from one series to the next.

Quinn is one tough kid, and he has a stronger arm than many realize. I think his improved accuracy under Weiss has come in part because he has not tried to throw everything as hard as he can. As a feshman, he just gunned it on every throw, and showed a very strong arm. Quinn still experiences streaks of wildness, just like all hard throwers do when they are young. Young pitchers do to. Quinn should get over that as he matures.

69 TDs and 14 interceptions the last two years in almost 900 attempts, for 7000 yards and 63% completions while throwing downfield, outs and not just dinky and dunking can't be overlooked. He is a fierce competitor and a natural leader. Those who know him say all he does is work out and study football. Weis said at the end of 2005 that Quinn picked up his offense better than any QB he has ever been around, including Brady. He also seems to be a kid with a level head, not unlike what we saw from Hawk.

Quinn seems to have the size and physical abilities you want, and with him you feel assured that if he fails it won't be because of attitude or lack of effort. He will need a good coach, like all young NFL QBs do. But there is an awful lot to work with in Quinn.

With that said, I trust Patler and the fact I know he has given this much thought behind the scenes. I fully endorse drafting Quinn is he is available. He won't be, though.

[Partial]

Brees' contract was up actually. They offered him like $2mil per season plus incentives and he felt insulted so he went looking.

In retrospect in more ways than one, I bet the Dolphins are kicking themself that they chose the Pepper over Brees. Who would have thought this kid would finish second in the MVP race and be such a straight up baller when he was a Purdouchebag boilermaker. I saw him play a couple o' times and thought he was overrated.

[Patler]

With that said, I trust Patler and the fact I know he has given this much thought behind the scenes. I fully endorse drafting Quinn is he is available. He won't be, though.

Thanks for the kind words.
But don't forget, I was the one who thought Atlas Herrion would emerge as a viable candidate at guard in 2005!