If Quinn falls

[wist43]

I haven't watched much of him...

I'm pretty well convinced that Rodgers can't play though - so QB has to be their #1 need.

If I were TT, I'd definitely be drafting a QB every year (be it the 1st round or the 7th) until I felt like I had a bonafide player at that position.

[KYPack]

With that said, I trust Patler and the fact I know he has given this much thought behind the scenes. I fully endorse drafting Quinn is he is available. He won't be, though.

Thanks for the kind words.
But don't forget, I was the one who thought Atlas Herrion would emerge as a viable candidate at guard in 2005!

What Partial, you trying to borrow money from Patler er somethin'?


One comment in this thread gave me pause. Nutz said Quinn lacks pocket presence. To me that is ARod's biggest fault. He has some of the poorest pocket presence I've ever seen in a young QB. (see tape on the '05 Baltimore debacle for evidence) The only young QB I've seen with worse pocket presence than AROD, was Aklii Smith. Smith was so uncomfortable in the pocket, he would leave it and walk into sacks.

I don't have the draft expertise of the resident draft nuts (Nutz, ND, HW, Gureski, & Bman) but I do follow the players I've seen. Quinn would have to be a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned.

The faults Nutz ID'ed, I haven't seen. The kid is strong with a rocket arm. He's got a heart like a lion. If we were at 16 with a shot at him, I think you have to take it.

[Patler]

Quinn is a little bit old school in his approach. He will stand in the pocket, make the throw and get drilled right after. He will be more protected by NFL rules than he is in college, and will probably take fewer hits because of it.

I agree with KYP. I've never sensed a lack of awareness from Quinn.

[esoxx]

69 TDs and 14 interceptions the last two years in almost 900 attempts, for 7000 yards and 63% completions while throwing downfield, outs and not just dinky and dunking can't be overlooked.

This is what makes me feel Quinn may be a decent pro and has a leg up over Rodgers. Rodgers came from a system opposite, where dink and dunk was the rule of the day. Typically there were pre-determined reads where the "dink" or the "dunk" was going.

I still feel this is why Rodgers looks so awkward and uncomfortable in the pocket. His experience in vertical passing and multiple reads downfield wasn't something he had to do much of in college, unlike Quinn.

Of course the Packers should draft Quinn if he were there at 16, but I doubt he will be. If I were the Vikings, I would draft him at 7. That's actually my greatest fear in this draft.

[Cheesehead Craig]

One comment in this thread gave me pause. Nutz said Quinn lacks pocket presence. To me that is ARod's biggest fault. He has some of the poorest pocket presence I've ever seen in a young QB. (see tape on the '05 Baltimore debacle for evidence)

If we just use that game as evidence, it would be a valid reason to cut Favre also, he was about as bad.

[Charles Woodson]

#1, Quinn will NOT fall.

#2, A lot of people don't understand how good Brady Quinn actually is. I'm a HUGE Notre Dame fan, and I"ll be the first one to tell you, they were BAD, this year. And the only reason they won, or were even in any games this year, was because of Brady Quinn. He was as important to Notre Dame, as Peyton Manning is to Indy. Without Manning, Indy is an 8-8 team...without Quinn, they were a 3-9 team. Notre Dame is over rated, Brady Quinn is under-rated.

DATE OPPONENT RESULT/TIME
09/02 at Ga Tech W 14-10
09/09 #19 Penn State W 41-17
09/16 #11 Michigan L 47-21
09/23 at Mich St W 40-37
09/30 Purdue W 35-21
10/07 Stanford W 31-10
10/21 UCLA W 20-17
10/28 at Navy W 38-14
11/04 UNC W 45-26
11/11 at Air Force W 39-17
11/18 Army W 41-9
11/25 at #3 USC L 44-24
01/03 vs #3 LSU L 41-14

idk my problem with him is he was always playing from behind. looking at his schedule he didnt beat any "good" teams, and dont even try to tell me penn state should be catarized as good, i mean look at all there losses, they were big like 40-20s, i know brady quinn is good, infact hes a beast and the 16th pick would be great to get him at but i just have a problem with him. I mean you act like he was the ONLY good person out there, i mean he did have Jeff, and Darius walker isnt great but hes not bad.

[KYPack]

One comment in this thread gave me pause. Nutz said Quinn lacks pocket presence. To me that is ARod's biggest fault. He has some of the poorest pocket presence I've ever seen in a young QB. (see tape on the '05 Baltimore debacle for evidence)

If we just use that game as evidence, it would be a valid reason to cut Favre also, he was about as bad.

Yeah, that was a bad game for all.

But there is a ton of tape of Rodgers not having any pocket presence. That's an instinctive thing, but if you don't have, ya gotta learn it. He has improved a little in that area, but not much. The jury is still out on that kid, for sure.

[Packnut]

Rodgers

One comment in this thread gave me pause. Nutz said Quinn lacks pocket presence. To me that is ARod's biggest fault. He has some of the poorest pocket presence I've ever seen in a young QB. (see tape on the '05 Baltimore debacle for evidence)

If we just use that game as evidence, it would be a valid reason to cut Favre also, he was about as bad.

Yeah, that was a bad game for all.

But there is a ton of tape of Rodgers not having any pocket presence. That's an instinctive thing, but if you don't have, ya gotta learn it. He has improved a little in that area, but not much. The jury is still out on that kid, for sure.

His biggest problem is that he has happy feet. If his first read is covered and he feels ANY kind of pressure, he takes off running. I think the majority of us have some serious reservations about Rodgers but that ship has sailed. Now we have to let him play in order to find out about him.

I've got my heart set on Bowe at #16 or a DB if he's not there. Still if Quinn was available, I would'nt be critical if TT did grab him.

[pack4to84]

If Quinn drops to 16 pick there is no way TT passes on him. He reminds me of a Tom Brady type QB.

[Charles Woodson]

If Quinn drops to 16 pick there is no way TT passes on him. He reminds me of a Tom Brady type QB.

curious, What reminds u in him of brady

[PackerPro42]

Well if he reminds you of Brady, I really don't like him. But I agree, that would be the comparison I would make as well.

[Iron Mike]

Re: If Quinn falls

Any thoughts? I think it would be a GREAT marketing thing for the Pack with Brother in laws on the same team

IIRC, in 2000 the Packers drafted Na'il Diggs and Gary Berry, who were either brothers-in-law or uncle/nephew.

Somebody help me here. 8)

[Partial]

Well if he reminds you of Brady, I really don't like him. But I agree, that would be the comparison I would make as well.

Are you saying you don't like the best quarterback in the league, and a lock to be first ballot hall of famer

[Cheesehead Craig]

If Quinn drops to 16 pick there is no way TT passes on him. He reminds me of a Tom Brady type QB.

He has a loooooooong way to go before any Brady-type comparisons can be made.

[Lurker64]

If Quinn drops to 16 pick there is no way TT passes on him. He reminds me of a Tom Brady type QB.

He has a loooooooong way to go before any Brady-type comparisons can be made.

Yeah, he'd have to fall to the sixth round before I could really compare him to Brady.