Chris Mortensen: GB source confirms Favre wants Moss

[MadtownPacker]

That can't be, unless the Raiders are trying to dump salary to recover on their CAP number.

From what I heard the raiders new coach tried to contact moss but moss didnt want to speak with him. he wants out, he likes Favre, and he would likely want to punish the vikings. Sounds good to me.

As for Fergie, make sure someone send Al Davis a highlight vid from the 4 & 26 game. Fergie was killing the eagles that day. Also the GB@SD game from that same season (2003).

[Murphy37]

Moss in Green and Gold? Sure it's easy to get excited about the talent possibilities. But when I see these problem child players like Moss and T.O. I am always thankful that the negative media circus that follows these ass clowns isn't part of my beloved team. So yes the greedy side of me would like to see Moss going up and taking the ball away from defenders......but the sane part of me wants to vommit.

[red]

I'm wondering if Al Davis reads the Packer fan forums ? We should be saying. . . no way can we loose RF.

After all. This will be his season to shine, don't YOU know?

I just read through this thread and I'm salivating at any reality of Randy Moss to us for just a third and who ??? Robert 'no show' Ferguson

That can't be, unless the Raiders are trying to dump salary to recover on their CAP number.

Anybody checking the Raider fan sites for verification?

oh, their fans want him gone. he's burned his bridges there. the last straw was him getting in a verbal fight over the phone with the new head coach

like i said before, most would be happy to just get a third for him.

and the team would save7 or 9 million dollars by trading him. they almost have to get rid of him. he won't play for them, he won't talk to them, and he counts 11.5 million against the cap this year

[woodbuck27]

That can't be, unless the Raiders are trying to dump salary to recover on their CAP number.

From what I heard the raiders new coach tried to contact moss but moss didnt want to speak with him. he wants out, he likes Favre, and he would likely want to punish the vikings. Sounds good to me.

As for Fergie, make sure someone send Al Davis a highlight vid from the 4 & 26 game. Fergie was killing the eagles that day. Also the GB@SD game from that same season (2003).

I believe we have pretty much given up on Robert 'F'.

A third round pick for Moss = a third and RF.

[Ballboy]

This move would make sense, especially as reported that he only has two years left on his deal....Brett is playing one of those, if Brett retires in 08, then Roger makes Moss cry about QB, we only have to deal with it for one year.(who knows, maybe we can trade him mid-season for at least a 3rd or 4th round pick)

I really like the idea of DD, Moss and Jennings in a 3WR set with a single back. Atlanta and Denver both ran several versions of single back with 3WR which would spread the field, making the ZBS more effective.

Getting Moss would also "allow" TT to draft defense, maybe DL or DB/S which would hopefully solidify the D even more.


Side Note: Why, even if the Pack doesn't resign Green, do we have to draft a RB? What about Arliss Beach? He tore it up in preseason. We also got PJ Pope off the Bears practice squad, and living in Illinois he looked really good in preseason.

[woodbuck27]

I'm wondering if Al Davis reads the Packer fan forums ? We should be saying. . . no way can we loose RF.

After all. This will be his season to shine, don't YOU know?

I just read through this thread and I'm salivating at any reality of Randy Moss to us for just a third and who ??? Robert 'no show' Ferguson

That can't be, unless the Raiders are trying to dump salary to recover on their CAP number.

Anybody checking the Raider fan sites for verification?

oh, their fans want him gone. he's burned his bridges there. the last straw was him getting in a verbal fight over the phone with the new head coach

like i said before, most would be happy to just get a third for him.

and the team would save7 or 9 million dollars by trading him. they almost have to get rid of him. he won't play for them, he won't talk to them, and he counts 11.5 million against the cap this year

Yup. Randy Moss will be moved somewhere for 2007.

Ted Thompson has to get 'the Raiders' to absorb some of the cost of his salary. Noway is he worth 11.5 $M$ in 2007.

There are some loose ends to be worked out.

[Patler]

The thing that worries me about Moss is that we are only a few seasons removed from when the Vikings had to institute the "Randy Ratio" in order to maintain his interest in the game. With Driver on the other side, could GB meet the "Randy Ratio"???

Dare I challenge Patler?? This is gonna end up like Al Harris (Patler) on a 4th string WR (me) but here goes..

In 2004 walker aned Driver both had 1000+ yds and a bunch of TDs between them. Favre haas always been excellent at spreading the ball to everyone so I dont see this hurting DDs production, in fact I see it increasing since he wont be triple covered every passing down.

Moss had his best seasons with chris carter opposite of him. Im sure DD could provide the same for Moss and likewise.

This deal goes down and the Super Bowl talk will begin.

I wasn't arguing that we can't satisfy Moss, because I don't know what it takes to satisfy him. The "Randy Ratio" as I recall was some ridiculously high percentage of offensive plays. Rastak, are you out there?

Moss was best when Carter was there, but Moss was young and respected Carter at the time. He became more assertive, and more abrasive when Carter was no longer keeping his thumb on him. I also wonder if Moss would respect Driver? I don't know, but Moss should not expect to come to GB and be "THE MAN".

I would hope GB doesn't repeat the 2004 numbers with just two receivers again. Ferguson was the third WR in catches with 24 that year, and Chatman had 22. I hope Jennings can be in the 40-50 range as the 3rd WR, and that the TEs get more involved. Finally, I hope the Packers throw less and run more than in 2004. The didn't this year, but MM keeps arguing for balance. In 2004 it was 598/441 in the pass/run ratio. If you balance that out more, there could be 75 fewer passing attempts and 50 fewer receptions to divide up.

Could GB keep Moss interested enough to run out his plays, even as a decoy? I don't know.

[Patler]

I found this:

To that end, they are planning on throwing 40 percent of their passes to him. Tice calls this the Randy Ratio. Former Vikings receiver Leo Lewis, now the team's director of player development, will stand on the sideline and chart how many passes are thrown to and caught by Moss, so Tice always will be aware of it.

[woodbuck27]

The thing that worries me about Moss is that we are only a few seasons removed from when the Vikings had to institute the "Randy Ratio" in order to maintain his interest in the game. With Driver on the other side, could GB meet the "Randy Ratio"???

Dare I challenge Patler?? This is gonna end up like Al Harris (Patler) on a 4th string WR (me) but here goes..

In 2004 walker aned Driver both had 1000+ yds and a bunch of TDs between them. Favre haas always been excellent at spreading the ball to everyone so I dont see this hurting DDs production, in fact I see it increasing since he wont be triple covered every passing down.

Moss had his best seasons with chris carter opposite of him. Im sure DD could provide the same for Moss and likewise.

This deal goes down and the Super Bowl talk will begin.

I wasn't arguing that we can't satisfy Moss, because I don't know what it takes to satisfy him. The "Randy Ratio" as I recall was some ridiculously high percentage of offensive plays. Rastak, are you out there?

Moss was best when Carter was there, but Moss was young and respected Carter at the time. He became more assertive, and more abrasive when Carter was no longer keeping his thumb on him. I also wonder if Moss would respect Driver? I don't know, but Moss should not expect to come to GB and be "THE MAN".

I would hope GB doesn't repeat the 2004 numbers with just two receivers again. Ferguson was the third WR in catches with 24 that year, and Chatman had 22. I hope Jennings can be in the 40-50 range as the 3rd WR, and that the TEs get more involved. Finally, I hope the Packers throw less and run more than in 2004. The didn't this year, but MM keeps arguing for balance. In 2004 it was 598/441 in the pass/run ratio. If you balance that out more, there could be 75 fewer passing attempts and 50 fewer receptions to divide up.

Could GB keep Moss interested enough to run out his plays, even as a decoy? I don't know.

Favre will be gunning for 4000 yards in 2007; so there will be plenty pass's up for grabs.

[Packnut]

Moss

A lot of good points made both for and against. I don't think that any of us including myself would claim that there is no risk. I would even agree that it could turn out bad.

However, the +'s for out-weigh the negatives which makes this trade a good football move. It's no secret Moss respects Brett and would want to play with him. That will make the difference.

For those against this move, consider this. Now I know a lot of "ifs" are involved but what if:

1- TT signs a solid FA saftey to replace Manuel.
2-TT signs either Graham or Johnson at TE
3- our young players take a step up. (logical considering they now have a year of playing experience)
4-By getting a motivated Moss, TT now can take the best RB available at #16.

If the above happens, no reason why we could'nt make a run this season.

[KYPack]

It would take Martin and a 3rd.

Yikes. I believe we need a TE even more than we need a burner WR. Or did you mean Ruvell instead of David?

Ruvell Martin is the WR, right?

Keep the back-up QB.
Keep Donald Lee and trade Ruvell Martin and a 3rd fior Moss.

OK, I believe it, lets do it!

[Packnut]

TT

It would take Martin and a 3rd.

Yikes. I believe we need a TE even more than we need a burner WR. Or did you mean Ruvell instead of David?

Ruvell Martin is the WR, right?

Keep the back-up QB.
Keep Donald Lee and trade Ruvell Martin and a 3rd fior Moss.

OK, I believe it, lets do it!

Alrighty then, can you please make the call to Ted and tell him to GET ER DONE!

[woodbuck27]

Re: Moss

A lot of good points made both for and against. I don't think that any of us including myself would claim that there is no risk. I would even agree that it could turn out bad.

However, the +'s for out-weigh the negatives which makes this trade a good football move. It's no secret Moss respects Brett and would want to play with him. That will make the difference.

For those against this move, consider this. Now I know a lot of "ifs" are involved but what if:

1- TT signs a solid FA saftey to replace Manuel.
2-TT signs either Graham or Johnson at TE
3- our young players take a step up. (logical considering they now have a year of playing experience)
4-By getting a motivated Moss, TT now can take the best RB available at #16.

If the above happens, no reason why we could'nt make a run this season.

Realistically I feel that we arn't all that far away.

I entirely agree on TT going after someone at TE like D.Graham.There may be options in the second round of the draft, but TT should exercise all efforts, to get the ticket here in FA.

A second priority is to shore up the defensive secondary with a new look at the strong safety position. Marquand Manuel is at best on the bench for us to start 2007. I hope that TT will admit he's not the answer.

We need more pressure on the QB fr. the right DE position. This should be explored and solved.

I believe that Ted Thompson should also ink Ahman Green for another Bonus incentive contract. He'll be in the second season after that serious injury and better in 2007 and also OUR OL should improve. We do need a RB that can catch the ball better as a quick checkdown option.Green has to do that.

[Freak Out]

The thing that worries me about Moss is that we are only a few seasons removed from when the Vikings had to institute the "Randy Ratio" in order to maintain his interest in the game. With Driver on the other side, could GB meet the "Randy Ratio"???

Dare I challenge Patler?? This is gonna end up like Al Harris (Patler) on a 4th string WR (me) but here goes..

In 2004 walker aned Driver both had 1000+ yds and a bunch of TDs between them. Favre haas always been excellent at spreading the ball to everyone so I dont see this hurting DDs production, in fact I see it increasing since he wont be triple covered every passing down.

Moss had his best seasons with chris carter opposite of him. Im sure DD could provide the same for Moss and likewise.

This deal goes down and the Super Bowl talk will begin.

I wasn't arguing that we can't satisfy Moss, because I don't know what it takes to satisfy him. The "Randy Ratio" as I recall was some ridiculously high percentage of offensive plays. Rastak, are you out there?

Moss was best when Carter was there, but Moss was young and respected Carter at the time. He became more assertive, and more abrasive when Carter was no longer keeping his thumb on him. I also wonder if Moss would respect Driver? I don't know, but Moss should not expect to come to GB and be "THE MAN".

I would hope GB doesn't repeat the 2004 numbers with just two receivers again. Ferguson was the third WR in catches with 24 that year, and Chatman had 22. I hope Jennings can be in the 40-50 range as the 3rd WR, and that the TEs get more involved. Finally, I hope the Packers throw less and run more than in 2004. The didn't this year, but MM keeps arguing for balance. In 2004 it was 598/441 in the pass/run ratio. If you balance that out more, there could be 75 fewer passing attempts and 50 fewer receptions to divide up.

Could GB keep Moss interested enough to run out his plays, even as a decoy? I don't know.

Favre will be gunning for 4000 yards in 2007; so there will be plenty pass's up for grabs.

I don't buy that for a minute. If the Packers are winning running the ball Favre will be happy just like he was when the Brain had the best O-line and Green was just ripping it up. I have to think Moss might feel the same way. Winning changes everything and I think Moss would be just fine winning a SB but not having All-Pro numbers. But maybe not.

[motife]

Moss in Green and Gold? Sure it's easy to get excited about the talent possibilities. But when I see these problem child players like Moss and T.O. I am always thankful that the negative media circus that follows these ass clowns isn't part of my beloved team. So yes the greedy side of me would like to see Moss going up and taking the ball away from defenders......but the sane part of me wants to vommit.

Moss is more sane than T.O.