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    Packers to talk with Jenkins today about deal BY Pete Dougherty

    The Green Bay Packers have until March 1 to tender restricted free-agent Cullen Jenkins a contract offer but are continuing negotiations this week to sign the valuable fourth-year player to a long-term deal before then. One of Jenkins' agents, Brian Levy, said Wednesday the Packers haven't told him what restricted contract tender they will make, though it's almost a given it will be either the new second-round tender or a first-round tender. Levy probably won't find out until next week, but he's scheduled to meet with Andrew Brandt, the team's vice president of player finance, at the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis this week to continue discussing a long-term deal. "We're going to sit down with them (today)," Levy said. Jenkins is a restricted free agent whose move to defensive end for the last four games last year was a significant factor in the Packers' defensive improvement in the season's final month. That, plus his ability to move to defensive tackle on passing downs, has made him an offseason signing priority for the Packers. Jenkins finished last season with 6½ sacks and 48 tackles, splitting time at defensive tackle and end, and if the Packers put the minimum tender of $850,000 on him, he'd draw great interest in restricted free agency. That tender would allow the Packers to match any offer he signed with another team or receive a draft pick in the round he was selected as compensation. But Jenkins was undrafted, so the Packers would get nothing in return. Last year, Minnesota found a loophole in such signings that makes it almost impossible for the original club to match an offer. A team can include a clause, for instance, that would guarantee Jenkins' entire contract if he played, say, four games at Lambeau Field in the first season of the deal. If the Packers matched that, they'd then have to guarantee Jenkins' entire contract if he played four games at home that season. That's why the Packers surely are debating whether to put a second-round or first-round tender on Jenkins. The second-round tender, which was added as part of the NFL's collective-bargaining agreement extension from last year, is cheaper for the Packers than the first-round tender — it guarantees Jenkins a $1.3 million salary for 2007 — and would force another team to give up a second-round draft pick to sign him. The first-round tender is more costly ($1.85 million) but would land them a first-round draft pick if he signed with another club. Both tenders' draft-pick compensation might be costly enough to dissuade another team from signing Jenkins, so the second-round tag appears more likely, but Jenkins' strong play late last year might intrigue a team or two to consider parting with a second-round pick for him. In the meantime, the Packers and Levy are expected to continue negotiating a possible long-term contract, for which the Packers are well positioned to do with almost $25 million in salary-cap space. Two defensive ends who like Jenkins just finished their third seasons in the NFL recently signed lucrative long-term deals, though that doesn't mean Jenkins is in line for contracts at their level, because both are better pure outside pass rushers, which is a more highly valued skill.


    VIEW: "It looks like he should get between $8 million and $11 million in guaranteed money, over the course of about a 6-year deal. Here are some facts on the TENDER rules, and i would say put a 1st rd tender on him for $1.85 million. that's less than some stiffs on our team will make, plus it will make him work and play hard again to cash in: THE Packers surely are debating whether to put a second-round or first-round tender on Jenkins. The second-round tender, which was added as part of the NFL's collective-bargaining agreement extension from last year, is cheaper for the Packers than the first-round tender — it guarantees Jenkins a $1.3 million salary for 2007 — and would force another team to give up a second-round draft pick to sign him. The first-round tender is more costly ($1.85 million) but would land them a first-round draft pick if he signed with another club. Both tenders' draft-pick compensation might be costly enough to dissuade another team from signing Jenkins, so the second-round tag appears more likely, but Jenkins' strong play late last year might intrigue a team or two to consider parting with a second-round pick for him."

  • #2
    They need to tag him on the high end...

    If he hits the market as a RFA w/o the threat of giving up at least a 1st, then he'll more than likely be gone - or, some team will structure a contract that will make it difficult for GB to match, and in doing so, it would hurt the Packers cap more than if they just went ahead and did the right thing to begin with.

    Jenkins is a solid, young, productive defensive linemen with upside... the Packers need to get him signed.
    wist

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    • #3
      Originally posted by wist43
      They need to tag him on the high end...

      If he hits the market as a RFA w/o the threat of giving up at least a 1st, then he'll more than likely be gone - or, some team will structure a contract that will make it difficult for GB to match, and in doing so, it would hurt the Packers cap more than if they just went ahead and did the right thing to begin with.

      Jenkins is a solid, young, productive defensive linemen with upside... the Packers need to get him signed.
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      But would you rather you a second round pick or Jenkins? I don't think I'd be that mad if a team took him from us for a second or a frist.
      Draft Brandin Cooks WR OSU!

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      • #4
        8 to 11 million in guaranteed money?

        that seems like a lot to me

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        • #5
          Originally posted by red
          8 to 11 million in guaranteed money?

          that seems like a lot to me
          It is a lot, as a matter of fact its a hell of a lot. So what if he's played good against four lousy teams, that doesn't merit a contract like that. Don't get me wrong I think has a lot of potential, but not for that money. I would rather a high draft pick than sign a guy to a huge deal without really proving his worth.
          Draft Brandin Cooks WR OSU!

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          • #6
            Jenkins is certainly worth that type of contract...

            8-11 million in guarenteed money really isn't unreasonable... and, no, at this point, I don't think I'd take a 1st rounder for him.

            Jenkins is a very solid defensive lineman, and he's effective at both DE and DT... he's easily their best interior rusher, very stout at holding the point when he's at end - very good player. I think Jenkins is as good as Kampman.

            If Jenkins hits the open market with the minimum tender he will attract a lot of attention. If he hits the market with the 1st tag, I'd bet he'd still attract attention.
            wist

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            • #7
              If the difference between getting a 1st or a second is paying him $550000 more, then " pay the man" as Teddy KGB would say.
              Chris: Dad, what's the blow-hole for?
              Peter: I'll tell you what it's not for, son. And when I do, you'll understand why I can never go back to Sea World.

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              • #8
                8-11 million in garunteed money, I'm guessing would be over 4-5 years....that's not a lot of money (well, to us it is )
                "I would love to have a guy that always gets the key hit, a pitcher that always makes his best pitch and a manager that can always make the right decision. The problem is getting him to put down his beer and come out of the stands and do those things." - Danny Murraugh

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by PaCkFan_n_MD
                  Originally posted by red
                  8 to 11 million in guaranteed money?

                  that seems like a lot to me
                  It is a lot, as a matter of fact its a hell of a lot. So what if he's played good against four lousy teams, that doesn't merit a contract like that. Don't get me wrong I think has a lot of potential, but not for that money. I would rather a high draft pick than sign a guy to a huge deal without really proving his worth.
                  thats exactly how i feel

                  8-11 million is what top free agents get. 4 games IMO, doesn't make you a top tier free agent

                  i was thinking more like 5 million over 5 or 6 years

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by wist43
                    Jenkins is certainly worth that type of contract...

                    8-11 million in guarenteed money really isn't unreasonable... and, no, at this point, I don't think I'd take a 1st rounder for him.

                    Jenkins is a very solid defensive lineman, and he's effective at both DE and DT... he's easily their best interior rusher, very stout at holding the point when he's at end - very good player. I think Jenkins is as good as Kampman.

                    If Jenkins hits the open market with the minimum tender he will attract a lot of attention. If he hits the market with the 1st tag, I'd bet he'd still attract attention.
                    8-11 mil over 6 years. That is nothing. AJ Hawk is getting an 11 million dollar bonus this year plus like 5 mil for his annual salary this year.

                    Chuck woodson has 38 million guaranteed of 6 years.

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                    • #11
                      I agree with Wist on this one. We need to either get him signed, or lay down the 1st-round tender. He's not an All-Pro game changer, but he's very solid and I think we would have a difficult time replacing him.

                      $8 to 11 million of total guaranteed money over a 5 or 6 year deal is nothing close to top-tier money. We're not talking $8-11 million per year ...

                      Kabeer's contract, signed in 2003, had $13.25 million in guaranteed money.

                      Chad Clifton's contract, signed in 2004, had $11 million in guaranteed money.

                      On one hand, Clifton and Kabeer might have been considered more valuable players to the team at the time these deals were signed, but on the other hand, they were signed before the enormous salary cap increases of the past couple of years.

                      If $11 to 13 million was appropriate 3 or 4 years ago for a starting Left Tackle or Defensive End, then 8 to 11 million dollars in today's cap dollars is very reasonable for a guy who will play a lot of downs between DE and DT, starting many games at the end position.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Partial
                        Originally posted by wist43
                        Jenkins is certainly worth that type of contract...

                        8-11 million in guarenteed money really isn't unreasonable... and, no, at this point, I don't think I'd take a 1st rounder for him.

                        Jenkins is a very solid defensive lineman, and he's effective at both DE and DT... he's easily their best interior rusher, very stout at holding the point when he's at end - very good player. I think Jenkins is as good as Kampman.

                        If Jenkins hits the open market with the minimum tender he will attract a lot of attention. If he hits the market with the 1st tag, I'd bet he'd still attract attention.
                        8-11 mil over 6 years. That is nothing. AJ Hawk is getting an 11 million dollar bonus this year plus like 5 mil for his annual salary this year.

                        Chuck woodson has 38 million guaranteed of 6 years.
                        HUH

                        Woodsen got all his money up front last year the rest of the way he is not guaranteed anything anymore, you're right about Hawk he gets bling this year and then 3.5 or so a year the rest of his contract.

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                        • #13
                          Cash

                          What makes this choice difficult is we all still feel the sting of the KGB debacle. How can you put fair value on a guy that only had 4 solid games? I think the safest way is to make him prove how good he is this season BEFORE handing him a lot of cash. I'd rather pay more for a sure thing then a lot for may-be's and could be's.

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                          • #14
                            Jenkins has been around for a few years now, and when given the opportunity, he has produced...

                            He's gotten bigger and stronger every year, he works hard, he's young, he's quick... as a full time starter, I think he's still got more upside.

                            Jenkins is the very definition of the type of young guy you look to extend b/4 you have to... if you wait until he's eligible for FA, you face the prospect of either having to pay top $$$, or losing him.

                            By being proactive, and signing him a year early, you're able keep him cheaper over the length of the contract, than if you waited the extra year. Being proactive in this way is a smart way to do business in the NFL.

                            Signing Jenkins now, a year b/4 he's eligible for FA, is a no-brainer, IMO.
                            wist

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                            • #15
                              i'm with you packnut

                              this guy went from signing a very modest close to minimum contract to 8-11 million up front in just 4 games

                              if we give him that kind of money, and he shows up and does nothing, showing the last 4 games were just a freak. then we're stuck with a KGB type of problem, where we'd like and need to get rid of the guy, but the cap hit would be to much for us to cut him

                              tag him at the highest level. and if during the season he continues to look good. then give him that money. i don't see his value going up much from where he thinks it should be, even if he does have a good season

                              1 thing to add. woodson, and KGb were both pro bowlers when they got that big money (i think kgb had made a pro bowl by then). and hawk was the #5 overall pick. they shouldn't be compared, and if you do, jenkins shouldn't be anywhere close to those guys

                              pickett got a 4 year 14 million dollar deal with 5 million up front, for a proven solid nfl vet. no way should jenkins get more then that at this point IMO

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