PACK WILL DRAFT WHICH QUALITY WR IN DRAFT?

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THE PACKER NATION'S FANS IN FORUMS ARE DEBATING TOP WRS IN THE DRAFT. REMEMBER, WE NEED A DEEP THREAT, RED ZONE, AND IMPACT PLAYER, INCLUDING TE WR TO LINE UP WITH DRIVER AND JENNINGS?

THE PACK MAY DRAFT A VERY GOOD TE WR TO SOLVE BOTH PROBLEMS. FINALLY, JOHNSON AND JARRETT, MAYBE GINN, WILL LIKELY BE GONE BY OUR 16TH. THE DETAILED INFO ABOUT SOME WRS ARE IN THE TT POLL/F/A AND DRAFT WATCH & BELOW.

WHO DO YOU THINK THE PACK WILL DRAFT AND COMMENT AT WHAT ROUND? SCOUTS WOULD NOT AGREE WITH SCOUT'S RANKINGS. HOWEVER YOU CAN USE IT FOR YOUR CHOICES ADDING OTHER FOR ALTERNATIVES AND SLEEPERS. PLEASE VOTE AND COMMENT.

TOP WRS LISTINGS:

Rank Name School Pos HT WT 40 Type Grade Draft Range

1 Calvin Johnson Georgia Tech WR 6044e 230e 4.50e A 0.75 Draft # 1

2 Ted Ginn Ohio State WR 5114e 185e 4.35e G 1.16 Draft # 1

3 Dwayne Jarrett USC WR 6044e 210e 4.55e F 1.16 Draft # 1

4 Sidney Rice South Carolina WR 6034e 205e 4.50e I 1.19 Draft # 1 - 2

5 Robert Meachem Tennessee WR 6024e 210e 4.50e I 1.20 Draft # 1 - 2

6 Craig Davis LSU WR 6011v 203v 4.40v I 1.21 Draft # 1 - 2

7 Anthony Gonzalez Ohio State WR 6000e 190e 4.45e I 1.28 Draft # 2 - 3

8 Johnnie Lee Higgins UTEP WR 5114v 184v 4.38v G 1.29 Draft # 2 - 3

9 Dwayne Bowe LSU WR 6016v 223v 4.50e I 1.30 Draft # 2 - 3

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FF TOP 13 PROFILES:

1. Calvin Johnson 6-4 235 Georgia Tech JR

No player at his position has come into the league with his combination of size, strength, speed and ability after the catch. This kid is about as can't miss as they come.

2. Dwayne Jarrett 6-5 215 USC JR

A very fluid receiver with great size and more than enough speed to be a number one at the next level. Jarrett will make the spectacular grab in traffic and as a red zone threat he has the ideal skills. I see so much in this kid that I like. I compare Jarrett to former Wisconsin Badger and New York Jet Al Toon and that is saying a whole bunch. As of now Jarrett appears to be a top fifteen selection in the 2007 draft.

3. Ted Ginn JR. 6-0 180 Ohio St. JR

Ginn doesn't run the most precise routes and as a whole he is certainly an unfinished product but he will stretch the field like Randy Moss has done in the past and his return skills are game breaking. Did I forget to mention that he will instantly become one of the NFL's fastest players with his 4.3 speed?

4. Robert Meacham 6-2 220 Tennessee SR

Most people have Dwayne Bowe in this spot but I like Meacham a bit more. Meacham has nice size and outstanding speed to go along with solid hands [improving] and the knack for making the big play. He reminds me a bit of the Colts Reggie Wayne.

5. Dwayne Bowe 6-3 220 LSU SR

If Meacham is Reggie Wayne then Bowe is Anquan Boldin with more speed. A big target with the strength and speed to cause havoc over the middle and in the red zone. A fast riser that wouldn't shock to be the second or third wideout taken.

6. Sidney Rice 6-4 195 South Carolina JR

One of the most interesting players in this draft. He could be this drafts Chad Johnson. A tall wideout with a slender build and unpolished game. He will make a big play on a regular basis and there is no denying he has some real productivity. The question with Rice will be his speed. If he can run 4.5 or less he will be a first rounder and a possible top 15-20 selection.

7. Anthony Gonzalez 6-0 200 Ohio State JR

A very nice player that has the skills to become a top notch player at the next level. Gonzalez has great hands and top tier speed to compliment his solid route running technique. This kid is a real sleeper.

8. Johnnie Lee Higgins 6-0 185 UTEP SR

Here is another sleeper prospect [bad combine] at the wide receiver position. Higgins had a very productive career for the Miners. This kid has the whole package which includes seperation speed, solid route technique and very good hands. A huge plus for this kid will be his ability in the return game.

9. Craig Davis 6-1 210 LSU

Another Reggie Wayne type player with nice strength and very good speed. Davis has a knack for coming up big and his ability to run those crossing routes will be attractive to teams in the NFL. Another of those 2nd or 3rd round players that has a chance to be a real contributor for the team that selects him in the draft. This kid has starter skills.

10. Andrae Allison 6-1 190 East Carolina SR

Allison was a dominant force for the Pirates and his big play ability won't be ignored when draft day comes. Exactly how fast is Allison because he does everything else with great ease. I will say it again, another in a long line of this years receiving prospects with solid starting skills if not more.

11. Steve Smith 6-0 200 USC SR

12. Chansi Stuckey 6-0 190 Clemson SR

13. Jason Hill 6-2 210 Washington St. SR

Hill hasn't been utilized enough this season but has still put together some things to pay attention to. His yards per catch is impressive at over 16 yards per reception and his TD total is outstanding when you consider he doesn't even lead his team in receptions. Hill has great size and some real gitty up and go when he has the ball in his hands. Hill's TD to Reception totals are very good. A real big time deep threat with some real run after the catch skills.
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KEY PROFILES FROM MCGINN ON JSONLINE:

1. Ted Ginn Jr., WR, Ohio State: 6-0, 180. One of the fastest players in the draft. "He's not going to be that guy that goes across the middle," one scout said. "He is your down-the-field vertical guy. Joey Galloway. Terry Glenn." Dropped too many passes in '06. Averaged 11.1 yards per punt return and 24.4 per kickoff return. "What's wrong with him?" another scout said. "I can live with timid. I think he just jumps out at you."

2. Robert Meachem*, WR, Tennessee: 6-2, 214. After a disappointing '05 season came back as a junior to catch 71 passes for 1,298 yards (18.3) and 11 TDs. "A lot of his yards are after the catch," one scout said. "Very strong runner. Very consistent player." Compared by another scout to Michael Irvin. "And he has speed," the scout said. "He's a really good kid. I'd take him after Johnson."

3. Anthony Gonzalez*, WR, Ohio State: 6-0, 193. Ran most of the inside patterns opposite Ginn and surprised some people by coming out early. "Not quite as fast as Ginn but he's fast," one scout said. "Very bright kid. And he isn't small." Always looking to improve. Sleeps in an oxygen-deprivation tent. Also could be a returner.

4. Sidney Rice*, WR, South Carolina: 6-3 1/2, 200. Had 72 catches for 1,178 yards (15.1) and 10 TDs as a third-year sophomore and came out. "He's silky smooth," one scout said. "Played on an awful, awful team. The quarterback was terrible. He's a tall, slender guy with a lot of talent." Often, coach Steve Spurrier just told his quarterbacks to put the ball up to Rice. Regarded as somewhat hard to coach. "He's not a real polished route runner," another scout. "But I don't think his character stuff is too bad."

5. Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU: 6-2, 221. Best senior wideout. "He's more of a possession tough guy," one scout said. "Does the dirty work. Really good body control. You love the competitor. He has his drops, too." Underwent corrective eye surgery before the '06 season and caught the ball much better. "He always will have to monitor his weight," another scout said. "He knows his limitation, which is his lack of speed. Great route runner. Strong hands. He'd be fun to coach."

[ND72]

I'm going to be one of the only ones who votes for Ted Ginn...BUT, here is my reason.

He won't be a big time #1 WR, I know that...BUT

He will be a very good #2, or slot WR in the NFL.
He will be a KR/PR specialist. And he is faster than most people think. I think the fact he would come in as our #3 WR, and be a KR/PR guy for us. He's worthy of the #1 pick by us. I think he's a lot better than most think though.

[RashanGary]

Interesting ND, I'm not in love with him but he certainly looks like a game breaker when healthy.

[oregonpackfan]

Ted Ginn is fast but he has only medium height and size. We already have medium sized WRs in Driver, Jennings, and Ferguson.

The Packers need a big receiver who can go up and outjump the defenders for the floaters and underthrown balls Favre tends to throw.

I am more for a Dwayne Jarrett type of receiver. Cal Johnson would be ideal but he will be gone by the time the Packers choose their first.

[packers11]

I think when your dealing with receivers its impossible to tell... Chad Jackson and Santonio Holmes were supposed to go in the teens... That did not happen, they both went in the second round, but if any of the WR's you say are in the second round when the packers pick, i'm up for any of them...

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WRS RANKINGS AT COMBINE

40-yard dash - Wide Receivers Unofficial 40-yard dash times from today's combine workouts.

Aundrae Allison - 4.39
Dwayne Bowe - 4.51
Steve Breaston- 4.41
David Clowney - 4.36
Craig Davis - 4.46
Yamon Figurs - 4.30
Anthony Gonzalez - 4.44
Johnnie Lee Higgins - 4.48
Jason Hill - 4.32
Calvin Johnson - 4.35
Marquay McDaniel - 4.51
Robert Meachem - 4.36
Ryan Moore - 4.59
Ryne Robinson - 4.51
Steve Smith - 4.44
Chansi Stuckey - 4.60
Jayson Swain - 4.67
Paul Williams - 4.41

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meachem, after today

jarrett is ungodly slow if he can only run in the 4.7's

just like i came away today with negative thoughts about russell, i also have negative feelings now for ginn. there he stood right next to russell, with a cell phone hanging around is neck, and giant ear phones on the whole time.

this is the combine, even if you aren't doing anything, you should still listen and learn something, and leave your god damn phone in your room for a couple hours.

[ND72]

Bowe running a 4.51 is kind of surprisingly slow to me (haha...slow, i run like a 6.5...)

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PACK DRAFT NEEDS/TT'S VIEW

Going for the best of the rest. Quality, not quantity might be draft focus BY McGINN JOnline.com

Having brought the Green Bay Packers back to respectability in two years on the job mainly by amassing draft picks, general manager Ted Thompson could very well be thinking about hitting a home run this time. The Packers enter the off-season with more players under contract than any team in the National Football League. They were the youngest team in the NFL a year ago, the residue of Thompson's drafting philosophy of trading down almost whenever possible. In 2005, Thompson turned seven selections into 11 by trading down three times. Last year, he turned seven choices into 12 by trading down four times and dealing Javon Walker. From the Packers' league-leading haul of 23 players, a total of 17 players remain on the roster, including six starters. As Mike Holmgren's top personnel man in Seattle from 2000-'04, Thompson traded down six times without even once trading up. The Packers desperately needed bodies in recent years because Mike Sherman traded up eight times in his last three drafts and then didn't use the picks wisely. Now, however, the Packers have ample manpower across the board with an abundance of developing players and 12 veterans due back from injured reserve. So it might be time for Thompson to emphasize quality over quantity when the draft arrives nine weeks from now. "That's a valid point," Thompson said. "We did add a lot of core players and people we think are going to be contributors. We haven't worked all that out yet, (but) there's maybe a little less need for more picks. But you'd always like to have a bunch of picks." Green Bay will have its own selection in all seven rounds plus a seventh-round choice from the New York Jets in the September 2005 trade for tackle Steve Morley. The club is unlikely to receive any compensatory picks for free-agent losses. Thompson and his scouts put in 12-hour days for 16 consecutive days before leaving for the scouting combine at the RCA Dome. The Packers talked about hundreds and hundreds of players, but in the back of everyone's mind was what would be available when it's their turn to exercise the No. 16 pick. "Some years it's really strong maybe 1 through 8 or 9 and then it peters down," Thompson said. "But this year it looks like it's going to be strong enough. I think we'll get a good player if we know what we're doing." Ron Wolf commissioned a study in the mid- to late 1990s, according to Thompson, that revealed players selected 1 to 17 turned out to be remarkably similar in longevity and production. To a lesser degree, picks 18 to 42 were about the same, too. But based on the last decade of selections, the Packers better keep their fingers crossed if they sit tight at 16. Five of the last 10 players taken in that position already have made the Pro Bowl, including defensive end Jevon Kearse, linebacker Julian Peterson, wide receiver Santana Moss, safety Troy Polamalu and guard Shawn Andrews. On the opposite end of the spectrum were wide receiver Reidel Anthony and running back William Green, who were busts; wide receiver Kevin Dyson, a keen disappointment; and the last two No. 16 picks, defensive tackle Travis Johnson and defensive back Jason Allen, who have done next to nothing. The last time the Packers had the 16th pick was 1994, when they wound up with guard Aaron Taylor. If Thompson had his druthers, he'd probably like to find at No. 16 a pass-receiving tight end; a franchise running back; a big, speedy wide receiver with return ability; a dynamic safety, a shut-down cornerback; or a dominating defensive lineman. Whatever you do, say those who associate with Thompson, don't typecast the man. "Who's the best player?" he said. "If it's an offensive lineman, we'll take an offensive lineman. I've done it before. We draft based on long-term." The Packers come off a season in which they ranked 31st in red-zone efficiency, by far their poorest finish in more than a decade. The problem is that no tight end appears worthy of even the 25th to 30th pick, let alone the 16th, and the running back pool has almost no depth after Oklahoma's Adrian Peterson and California's Marshawn Lynch. Perhaps Thompson would entertain thoughts of trading up for Peterson, projected as a top-eight pick, or even Lynch, who figures to be taken in the middle of the round if some character issues are resolved. Green Bay still needs a running back even if Ahman Green is re-signed before the start Friday of the unrestricted signing period. "We're having good conversations with Ahman," Thompson said. "Whether anything gets done or not, I don't know. But that's free agency. It brings a little angst to your off-season." Thompson said there were "a couple of players" that he would like to select at No. 16. Several could be wide receivers, a position that ranks with safety and defensive end as the best in the draft. After Georgia Tech's Calvin Johnson, wide receivers such as Southern California's Dwayne Jarrett, Ohio State's tandem of Ted Ginn Jr. and Anthony Gonzalez, Tennessee's Robert Meachem and South Carolina's Sidney Rice all could warrant the 16th pick. Asked if he needed a player to fill one of the top three wide receiver berths, Thompson replied, "Not necessarily. But if it works out that way, that would be OK, too." The top three safeties appear to be Louisiana State's LaRon Landry, Florida's Reggie Nelson and Miami's Brandon Meriweather. It's unlikely more than one will be gone by No. 16, but all have first-round ability. "I think you can always use skill people, and I think all things would say we could use some more playmakers," Thompson said. "But it's way too early to start predicting that. I didn't even think about that fifth pick last year until we got through al the medicals and things like that. Some guys can fall off the world with a bad physical."

[Bretsky]

I'm going to be one of the only ones who votes for Ted Ginn...BUT, here is my reason.

He won't be a big time #1 WR, I know that...BUT

He will be a very good #2, or slot WR in the NFL.
He will be a KR/PR specialist. And he is faster than most people think. I think the fact he would come in as our #3 WR, and be a KR/PR guy for us. He's worthy of the #1 pick by us. I think he's a lot better than most think though.

At pick 16 I'm more than fine with Ginn.

[ND72]

I really am ok with taking Ginn...I think he can do a lot of things for the team that aren't just at WR. I can really see the plus to doing a lot of things with our #16 pick...and I wouldn't cry if any of my picks happen (Lynch, Ginn, or DB, just not a 5'8" thug DB).

[MJZiggy]

My gut tells me Williams. TT seems to like the small-school kids.

[ny10804]

I'm gonna go with Meachem. Great height (6'2 even) and size (214 pounds) (both numbers courtesy of the combine) for the west coast offense. Has great speed, 4.36. Can catch, didn't drop a ball in the all star challenge that aired today. And still has room to improve, being that he came out as a junior.

Dwayne Bowe would be next on my list, followed by Ginn, Rice, and Jarrett.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

All I see is people talking about is Wrs and Rbs, but if am TT I thinking about Amobi Okoye. He would complete our d-line and would be a force for at least the next ten years. Am actually older than this guy and I just turn 20 a couple months ago. Okoye can only get better with age and that is scary considering he's only 19. I want him over Lynch, Bowe, or even Landry in the first.

I'm hoping he's there when we pick, and I hope TT would take him.

[Lurker64]

All I see is people talking about is Wrs and Rbs, but if am TT I thinking about Amobi Okoye. He would complete our d-line and would be a force for at least the next ten years. Am actually older than this guy and I just turn 20 a couple months ago. Okoye can only get better with age and that is scary considering he's only 19. I want him over Lynch, Bowe, or even Landry in the first.

I'm hoping he's there when we pick, and I hope TT would take him.

Agreed 100%. He's the only player in this draft I'd trade up for.