PACK WILL DRAFT WHICH QUALITY WR IN DRAFT?

[TopHat]

UPDATE

Also Top hat did sidney rice work out?

COMBINE REPORT DOES NOT LIST HIM FOR WRS.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Rice ran around 4.53... from what I can remember. Looked really fluid catching the ball though. I think he's fast enough and he has great hands and body control.

[Joemailman]

Here's another guy people may not have heard much of. Clowney is projected to go in 3rd round by Sporting News. He ran a 4.36 40 today which could move him up. TT surprised with Jennings last year, and may be looking for a speedster in rounds 2-3 this year.

David Clowney
WR, Virginia Tech

War Room analysis
Strengths: Is a good athlete with the hands to make difficult catches. Is aggressive going after the ball. Changes directions swiftly to avoid jams. Bursts past cornerbacks and separates quickly. Accelerates well after the catch, and can elude would-be tacklers. Shows the speed to turn short passes into long touchdowns. Doesn't get caught from behind. Runs routes with good bend and flexibility to make quick cuts. As a blocker, consistently works hard. Is tough and a fast healer, returning from appendectomy surgery quickly during '06 season.

Weaknesses: Is thin, raising long-term durability issues. Shows an adequate first step. Struggles to stay on his route against physical cornerbacks. Is inconsistent fighting for jump balls. Has trouble on deep routes; struggles to come back and fight through cornerbacks on underthrown passes. Occasionally runs upright, struggling to separate when he does.

Bottom line: Clowney was not as productive as the other top prospects because he played with bad quarterbacks his entire career. Clowney had a great week at the Senior Bowl and moved up draft boards. He should become a good NFL starter who can change games with big plays.

[The Shadow]

I'd rather have TT make the rumored deal for Moss, personally.
Driver, Moss, Jennings, Robinsin - what's not to like?

[Charles Woodson]

I'd rather have TT make the rumored deal for Moss, personally.
Driver, Moss, Jennings, Robinsin - what's not to like?

If we get moss i think we should cut robinson

[ND72]

I'd rather have TT make the rumored deal for Moss, personally.
Driver, Moss, Jennings, Robinsin - what's not to like?

I would personally kill TT myself.

[b bulldog]

I still can't believe that Breaston ran a 4.41/40. I never thought he had much speed.

[Bretsky]

I watched Meecham hall in passes today in a college all star competition that was taped a bit back. Very fluid hands that brought the fast balls in with ease. I'd love to see him in green n gold.

[Charles Woodson]

I still can't believe that Breaston ran a 4.41/40. I never thought he had much speed.

i have said that i like Breaston alot before... Nobody talks about him but ive watched a decent amount of Michigan games and hes been all over the feild. I think he could be a sleeper.

[Packnut]

WR

I don't get caught up in 40 times for WR's. Speed in and out of the breaks are what count. What good is 40 speed for a WR if he can't break a jam? There are several factors that make a great WR.

If you've watched enough LSU games, after CJ, Bowe is the next best WR. He gets off the jam very well cause he's so strong. Also, more times than not, he will out-jump DB's for the ball. He would fit in very well as the #3 WR. Driver, Jennings and Bowe will at least give Favre some ammo.

[HarveyWallbangers]

After watching the combine a little bit, I'm leaning this way on my positional rankings:

QB
1) JaMarcus Russell
2) Brady Quinn
3) Drew Stanton
4) Kevin Kolb
5) Trent Edwards
6) Troy Smith

I'm only enamored with the top 3.

RB
1) Adrian Peterson
2) Marshawn Lynch

Not sure there's anyone special after these two. Irons, Hunt, and Jackson probably in the next group.

3) Kenny Irons
4) Tony Hunt
5) Brandon Jackson

WR
1) Calvin Johnson
2) Robert Meachem
3) Ted Ginn
4a) Dwayne Bowe
4b) Sidney Rice
6) Dwayne Jarrett

Bowe and Rice look very similar to me.

TE
1) Greg Olsen

Nobody stands out after Olsen.

2a) Zach Miller
2b) Scott Chandler
2c) Matt Spaeth

Hard to evaluate OL. I know Thomas is the real deal.

Guys I like defensively include Adam Carriker, Patrick Willis, Laron Landry, Reggie Nelson, Michael Griffin, and Eric Weddle (later in the draft). Marcus McCauley stands out athletically at CB. Except at S, the draft seems kind of weak defensively. Guys I'd avoid are Alan Branch, Leon Hall, Jarvis Moss, and Brandon Siler.

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Re: WR

I don't get caught up in 40 times for WR's. Speed in and out of the breaks are what count. What good is 40 speed for a WR if he can't break a jam? There are several factors that make a great WR.

If you've watched enough LSU games, after CJ, Bowe is the next best WR. He gets off the jam very well cause he's so strong. Also, more times than not, he will out-jump DB's for the ball. He would fit in very well as the #3 WR. Driver, Jennings and Bowe will at least give Favre some ammo.

yeah, but if you can take two WRs, that can both break a jam. one runs a 4.3 and one runs a 5.0. the quicker one will get to the db or LB faster, and get away from him faster.

and this is a game of split seconds

when you see a qb, overthrow a wr on a deep route by a yard or two, if that WR was .05 seconds faster , he would have gotten to that ball

speed matters, not all the time, and not for all positions (does it really matter is a guard can run a good 40 time?)

if you take two guys with the same amount of talent, but run different times, i'm not taking the slower of the two

a difference of .3 = a half yard of difference every second. thats a huge difference in a game of inches

[woodbuck27]

meachem, after today

just like i came away today with negative thoughts about russell, i also have negative feelings now for ginn. there he stood right next to russell, with a cell phone hanging around is neck, and giant ear phones on the whole time.

this is the combine, even if you aren't doing anything, you should still listen and learn something, and leave your god damn phone in your room for a couple hours.

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meachem, after today. . .red

That is fast and I like his size,talent and atitude.

just like i came away today with negative thoughts about russell, i also have negative feelings now for ginn. there he stood right next to russell, with a cell phone hanging around is neck, and giant ear phones on the whole time.

this is the combine, even if you aren't doing anything, you should still listen and learn something, and leave your god damn phone in your room for a couple hours.[/quote] . . . red

That is just the cultural,chillin' thing in process.

Never, give up your cool.

[Partial]

Re: WR

I don't get caught up in 40 times for WR's. Speed in and out of the breaks are what count. What good is 40 speed for a WR if he can't break a jam? There are several factors that make a great WR.

If you've watched enough LSU games, after CJ, Bowe is the next best WR. He gets off the jam very well cause he's so strong. Also, more times than not, he will out-jump DB's for the ball. He would fit in very well as the #3 WR. Driver, Jennings and Bowe will at least give Favre some ammo.

yeah, but if you can take two WRs, that can both break a jam. one runs a 4.3 and one runs a 5.0. the quicker one will get to the db or LB faster, and get away from him faster.

and this is a game of split seconds

when you see a qb, overthrow a wr on a deep route by a yard or two, if that WR was .05 seconds faster , he would have gotten to that ball

speed matters, not all the time, and not for all positions (does it really matter is a guard can run a good 40 time?)

if you take two guys with the same amount of talent, but run different times, i'm not taking the slower of the two

a difference of .3 = a half yard of difference every second. thats a huge difference in a game of inches

I would have no qualms with trading down in the first and landing Bowe or Meachem. If we can land an extra second I would think they could add another DE at the bottom of that round, and maybe have a shot at Merriweather with their original second?

[Partial]

Re: WR

I don't get caught up in 40 times for WR's. Speed in and out of the breaks are what count. What good is 40 speed for a WR if he can't break a jam? There are several factors that make a great WR.

If you've watched enough LSU games, after CJ, Bowe is the next best WR. He gets off the jam very well cause he's so strong. Also, more times than not, he will out-jump DB's for the ball. He would fit in very well as the #3 WR. Driver, Jennings and Bowe will at least give Favre some ammo.

yeah, but if you can take two WRs, that can both break a jam. one runs a 4.3 and one runs a 5.0. the quicker one will get to the db or LB faster, and get away from him faster.

and this is a game of split seconds

when you see a qb, overthrow a wr on a deep route by a yard or two, if that WR was .05 seconds faster , he would have gotten to that ball

speed matters, not all the time, and not for all positions (does it really matter is a guard can run a good 40 time?)

if you take two guys with the same amount of talent, but run different times, i'm not taking the slower of the two

a difference of .3 = a half yard of difference every second. thats a huge difference in a game of inches

If someone runs in full pads a 4.3 and the other runs a 5.0 in pads then yes the difference in huge. But, you do realize these guys are sprinting full speed straight ahead for the 40, and that is not at all remisicient of running a route (even a streak) and beating a DB.

That is quite the exagerration there with the times, also. This isn't an exact science and i'd argue someone might be a yard or two faster, and ultimately it will likely come down to who can beat his man for the ball, not who can outrun who.

Ahmad Carroll ran like lightning and look where he is. So does Ferguson. So did Justin Fargas two year ago. So did Mike Mamula.

40 time is the absolute most overrated element of the equation of a football player. By far and away.

The three things I would look at are college production, interview/tenacity, cone drill/agility drils.

The players that truly want the ball the most will get the ball more than the biggest, fastest, most athletic guy every day of the week. Lets not forget these are all freakish athletes. Some moreso than others, but give me an Aaron Kampman over a Mike Mamula every day of the week.