Interesting comments on Mike Sherman by Dylan Tomlinson

[retailguy]

By mentioning tice and millen you make your standards seem very low.

Are you related to "red"? I mentioned a few other guys too which you conveniently omitted... I started with those two idiots because they are in the NFC north...

[retailguy]

Was Sherman anywhere near Wall Street today?

Most likely, he is in Indianapolis, sleeping on a bleacher. But, I digress... That's your line, isn't it?

[red]

Was Sherman anywhere near Wall Street today?

probably not

but i bet he was in china

come on RG, you served that one up on a silver platter for me

I think I'm going to change your username to "blue" just for kicks.

sherman is singlehandedly responsible for global warming and famine in africa, if he'd have been in china, there would be no stock market, and we'd be missing massive amounts of authentic chinese food.

see, now you're starting to understand things a little better

next we'll talk about how sherman killed all the dinosaurs

[HarveyWallbangers]

Most likely, he is in Indianapolis, sleeping on a bleacher. But, I digress... That's your line, isn't it?

They actually showed him talking to Holmgren today on the NFL Channel. He looked like he had aged another 10 years. The next clip they showed Mike Tice. I got a chuckle.

[Packnut]

Sherman

Hard to understand that there really is any debate here. Facts and history cannot be changed. Both Sherman the coach and Sherman the GM had one of the top 5 QB's of all time and went to ZERO super bowls.

But, it's not all Sherman's fault. Harlan made him GM and has pretty much escaped any blame for a STUPID move. I'll never understand why. I guess Harlan hiring Wolf absolved him for all wrong-doing after that.

[Kiwon]

Very few guys could handle effectively both the GM and HC positions.

Everyone has their good and bad points. IMO, the GM role revealed Sherman's bad points and the HC role revealed his good points.

Thin-skinned? Everybody's thin-skinned with the press. What about the press' responsibility in building a good working relationship with the front office?

What does it say about the GB press corp that they can't remember to shut off the cell phones during media sessions and then when Sherman called them out no one admitted that he was the culprit nor did any of the other reporters rat the person out.

Sherman was right to walk out after being repeatedly disrespected. That doesn't make him thin-skinned. It showed that Sherman had some self-respect and that the press regulars were acting like jerks.

[mraynrand]

Re: Sherman

Hard to understand that there really is any debate here. Facts and history cannot be changed. Both Sherman the coach and Sherman the GM had one of the top 5 QB's of all time and went to ZERO super bowls.

But, it's not all Sherman's fault. Harlan made him GM and has pretty much escaped any blame for a STUPID move. I'll never understand why. I guess Harlan hiring Wolf absolved him for all wrong-doing after that.

How many Superbowls did the Dolphins go to in Marino's years 10+? How many Superbowls did the Chiefs go to with Montana?

How many top 5 QBs played with a broken thumb? How many played with a broken thumb and made it to the Divisional round of the playoffs?

Can you name a team that went to the superbowl with 9 starters (7 on offense and 2 on defense) lost for the year with injuries?

Just some perspective to add to your simple-minded evaluation.

[mraynrand]

Maybe we could reunite Dwight Smith and Carmen Policy?

Anyone?

Did you mean Dwight Clark? That guy is a total asshole. I went to a Niners game once in '90 and the guy was doing the post game show on the field. Some little 8 year old kid asks him during a commerical break if he can have an autograph and Clark screams at him (in this really high-pitched pansy voice) "Shut up, I'm doing a show!!!" Kids' dad says, "Son, you don't really need his autograph." The entire crowd watching the post-game show (about 40 people) left in disgust.

[mraynrand]

Was Sherman anywhere near Wall Street today?

I understand that he traded several stocks low and bought one stock that he 'had his eye on' for a long time at a very high price.

[Packnut]

Re: Sherman

Hard to understand that there really is any debate here. Facts and history cannot be changed. Both Sherman the coach and Sherman the GM had one of the top 5 QB's of all time and went to ZERO super bowls.

But, it's not all Sherman's fault. Harlan made him GM and has pretty much escaped any blame for a STUPID move. I'll never understand why. I guess Harlan hiring Wolf absolved him for all wrong-doing after that.

How many Superbowls did the Dolphins go to in Marino's years 10+? How many Superbowls did the Chiefs go to with Montana?

How many top 5 QBs played with a broken thumb? How many played with a broken thumb and made it to the Divisional round of the playoffs?

Can you name a team that went to the superbowl with 9 starters (7 on offense and 2 on defense) lost for the year with injuries?

Just some perspective to add to your simple-minded evaluation.

Your response is totally flawed. First off, it was a failure for the Dolphins to not go to a SB with Marino cause he also had a pretty good offense. Duper and Clayton were a solid 1,2 punch.

2nd- The Chiefs did not surround Montana with adequate talent.

3rd- injuries are part of the game and happen to all teams. To use them as an excuse is very weak. As for Favre's broken thumb, HE gets all the credit for playing not Shermy.

Also, please use some common sense if your going to criticize. One of the reasons Brett is a top 5 QB is he did have some talent around him. You must have selective memory. Shermy had one of the best O lines ever assembled in GB. He had Green in his prime. Sherman failed as a coach plain and simple. Proof is in the pudding as they say. With all the coaching positions available since Shermy was given the boot, none of the available teams share your opinion of him.............

[red]

yeah, that packers offense during the sherman years was wicked good, except at WR, i think they were just so-so there

but the o-line was one of the best, if not the best, they had the best blocking FB in the game, one of the top 3 rb's in the game at the time (production wise the best in the game during that time), and one of the greatest QB's of all time

and our defense wasn't too shabby either

[MadtownPacker]

and our defense wasn't too shabby either

OK now you are tripping. The D was terrible against the run. They always put the pressure on the O to win games. Had the defense been just "OK" who know what could have happened.

[red]

and our defense wasn't too shabby either

OK now you are tripping. The D was terrible against the run. They always put the pressure on the O to win games. Had the defense been just "OK" who know what could have happened.

ok, ok, so they were shabby lol

[retailguy]

yeah, that packers offense during the sherman years was wicked good, except at WR, i think they were just so-so there

but the o-line was one of the best, if not the best, they had the best blocking FB in the game, one of the top 3 rb's in the game at the time (production wise the best in the game during that time), and one of the greatest QB's of all time

and our defense wasn't too shabby either

So happy you brought this up. I just want to go on the record and say that TT and Wolf should get the credit for this. Nevermind that Ray Rhodes went a pathetic 8-8 with the Wolf players, never mind that Sherman went 9-7 his first year.

Red, in a good natured way, you are a hypocrite....

The team was damn good, but also bitten with injuries in both 2002 and 2004...

[retailguy]

Re: Sherman

Your response is totally flawed. First off, it was a failure for the Dolphins to not go to a SB with Marino cause he also had a pretty good offense. Duper and Clayton were a solid 1,2 punch.

And Who was the Coach? Oh yeah, some old guy named Shula. Isn't he in the hall of fame? should there be debate here, packnut? Couldn't one say that Shula was inept and incompetent not to have succeeded with talent like Marino, Duper & Clayton?

2nd- The Chiefs did not surround Montana with adequate talent.

And where does the blame lie here? With the GM? Wasn't that Peterson? Is he inept too? How can an organization "waste" the talent of a guy like Montana? Could it be because it is DIFFICULT to put a Super Bowl caliber team together? Could it be that more good, quality people FAIL than succeed? Nah, this shit is EASY. Just look at Sherman, he was a bumbling FOOL...

3rd- injuries are part of the game and happen to all teams. To use them as an excuse is very weak. As for Favre's broken thumb, HE gets all the credit for playing not Shermy.

Nope, the coaching staff gets ZERO credit for "designing" an offense in which a guy with a broken thumb can play. Hell, people do it all the time. Favre can just chuck it 70 yards 15 times a game with a broken thumb. There won't be any pain, residual swelling, or ball control problems. C'mon, Packnut, you are smarter than this... If the coaching staff doesn't design the proper formations and the proper plays to "take the pressure" off of the thumb, nothing works... Yep it's FAVRE. He's calling SIXTY audibles per game...

Also, please use some common sense if your going to criticize. One of the reasons Brett is a top 5 QB is he did have some talent around him. You must have selective memory. Shermy had one of the best O lines ever assembled in GB. He had Green in his prime.

Seems like you'd have to be a pretty decent GM and a pretty good coach to keep a 1st class OL in place for SIX years. When did Wolf do that? Remember Adam Timmerman? He was allowed to walk away, then we started over with Rivera, then started over again, with Clifton and Tauscher. Revolving door on that line before Sherman came around. Man that guy was an idiot. Didn't have a CLUE what he was doing. Same guys for SIX years. PATHETIC. I SAY, SIMPLY PATHETIC. How could he know what he was doing. I tell you, he LUCKED into the best OL in the NFL in 2003. IT WAS LUCK. Not a plan.. Look at Wolf, now THAT is the way to build an OL. Don't value the guards. Hell, you can get THOSE guys anywhere.... Just ask TT who shares the same philosophy. We're damn lucky that Favre was back there. Any other QB would have been KILLED in 2005....

Sherman failed as a coach plain and simple. Proof is in the pudding as they say. With all the coaching positions available since Shermy was given the boot, none of the available teams share your opinion of him.............

I will enjoy using this quote as my signature in the years to come. Every time I use the terms "always" and "never" they come back to haunt me. I will haunt you and the rest of the "anti Sherman" crowd with quotes like this. Count on it.[/quote]