IF JAVON IS TRADED...........................

[Bretsky]

I've been a fully AJ Hawk Supporter for the past four months and still consider him to be the best pick for the Green Bay Packers if they don't have a chance for Reggie Bush.

That being said, if Javon Walker is traded to Denver for a high 2nd, does it make more sense for TT to give stronger consideration to Vernon Davis, knowing that our receiving core has been weakened.

JS ran an interesting article today basically saying as far as measurables and talent go, Venon Davis is hands down the best TE to come out of college. Then they compared his numbers with all the best TE's out there. On paper he seems like a gem.

We could use the 2nd's to then draft the best LB and the best OG.

[MJZiggy]

Yes.

[Deputy Nutz]

I am not sold on Davis being the next greatest thing since sliced bread. Right now he has the measurables, but there is still a little bit of a bust risk with him. Maybe I am throwing the Winslow situation on his shoulders, but I will be honest Davis doesn't wow me on film. Go and watch a couple of UCLA games and you will be more impressed with Lewis. Does that mean anything? I don't know.

[Bretsky]

I am not sold on Davis being the next greatest thing since sliced bread. Right now he has the measurables, but there is still a little bit of a bust risk with him. Maybe I am throwing the Winslow situation on his shoulders, but I will be honest Davis doesn't wow me on film. Go and watch a couple of UCLA games and you will be more impressed with Lewis. Does that mean anything? I don't know.

Honestly I didn't know of Davis much til I saw this ESPN promoted All Star challenge among college stars. Davis was in the receiving group and outperformed pretty much every WR in WR drills except Chad Jackson. He was a natural in my view.

The other guy that really stuck out was that Memphis kicker; I think Steve Gastrowski or something like that. He boomed a 49 yard field goal that cleared by 15 yards and had a rocket for a leg.

[GBRulz]

I don't like the idea of Walker being traded without us getting Leilie in return.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Davis looks like a workout wonder, and nothing more; you know one of those players who look like Tarzan, plays like Jane. He was only a 2 year starter and played at MD. Sure, mistakes do happen but there gotta be some weakness in Davis for why he ended up a MD instead of a powerhouse like USC, Maimi, Michigan, or OSU.

I think drafting Huff is the best thing to do.

[RashanGary]

Davis does things that I've never seen a pass catcher do. He's physically dominate and has the will to succeed. Everything else you can teach.

[Joemailman]

I kind of agree with Nutz. Take the best defensive player in the 1st round, and get Lewis and maybe Davin Joseph in the 2nd round. Too many TE's drafted in the 1st round have been disappointments. Lewis is one of those real athletic guys who is still learning because he focused more on basketball in high school.


Tight End | Senior | U.C.L.A. Marcedes Lewis
Height: 6-6 3/8 | Weight: 261 | 40-Time: 4.84

Official Bio

Strengths:
Has excellent size with long arms and the frame to easily add more weight...A superb athlete with good quickness and leaping ability...Has outstanding hands and can adjust to the poorly thrown ball...Gives great effort as a blocker and does a better job there than he is given credit for...Has solid speed and can get down the middle and stretch the seam...Very productive and was the top pass catching threat on his team...Still developing and really has a lot of upside and potential.

Weaknesses:
Does not have elite timed speed...Could stand to add some weight and looks frail on the field due to his lanky build...Lacks explosiveness and may have trouble separating at the next level...Needs to hit the weights and get stronger...Still relatively raw as he devoted a lot of attention to basketball in high school...Needs to refine his technique and work on mastering the nuances of the position.

Notes:
Was a part of the famed 2002 Long Beach Poly high school class that also included Winston Justice (USC), Darnell Bing (USC), Hershel Dennis (USC), and Manuel Wright (Miami Dolphins)...Is like a wide receiver trapped in a tight ends body...Not yet a finished product but could be the type of weapon in the passing game that pro teams are always falling all over themselves to add these days.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Davis does things that I've never seen a pass catcher do. He's physically dominate and has the will to succeed. Everything else you can teach.

I saw Kellen Winslow do the same thing in college.

[Rivers Rutherford]

I like Vernon Davis and his potential--but not at #5 and not ahead of the best defensive player in the draft in A.J. Hawk. Someone will grab him high, maybe even trade up to do so thinking they got themselves an Antonio Gates, but they's a gonna be wrong.

I say sucker the 'Niners out of a 4th or 5th or even 6th round pick to flop spots with GB. Likely? No, but what the hell I like the sound of a couple early picks on day 2 in round 4.

[CyclonePackFan]

I'm down with getting Lewis. When we won the Bowl we did it with two TEs, Chmura, who could catch but was a great blocker, and Jackson, who was an OK blocker but had great hands. This would give us the same sort of setup, with Lewis, the blocker, and Franks, the receiver.

I'm so happy right now...

[HarveyWallbangers]

"Davis does things that I've never seen a pass catcher do."

I'd say a vast overstatement.

[Bretsky]

I kind of agree with Nutz. Take the best defensive player in the 1st round, and get Lewis and maybe Davin Joseph in the 2nd round. Too many TE's drafted in the 1st round have been disappointments. Lewis is one of those real athletic guys who is still learning because he focused more on basketball in high school.


Tight End | Senior | U.C.L.A. Marcedes Lewis
Height: 6-6 3/8 | Weight: 261 | 40-Time: 4.84

Official Bio

Strengths:
Has excellent size with long arms and the frame to easily add more weight...A superb athlete with good quickness and leaping ability...Has outstanding hands and can adjust to the poorly thrown ball...Gives great effort as a blocker and does a better job there than he is given credit for...Has solid speed and can get down the middle and stretch the seam...Very productive and was the top pass catching threat on his team...Still developing and really has a lot of upside and potential.

Weaknesses:
Does not have elite timed speed...Could stand to add some weight and looks frail on the field due to his lanky build...Lacks explosiveness and may have trouble separating at the next level...Needs to hit the weights and get stronger...Still relatively raw as he devoted a lot of attention to basketball in high school...Needs to refine his technique and work on mastering the nuances of the position.

Notes:
Was a part of the famed 2002 Long Beach Poly high school class that also included Winston Justice (USC), Darnell Bing (USC), Hershel Dennis (USC), and Manuel Wright (Miami Dolphins)...Is like a wide receiver trapped in a tight ends body...Not yet a finished product but could be the type of weapon in the passing game that pro teams are always falling all over themselves to add these days.

I see that speed and question whether he adds much that we don't already have. I think either you love Davis and go with him, or go Hawk, and a LB,OG, or CB in round 2.

If you draft Davis then you go with the best LB in round 2.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Everybody talks about how we can get a LB later, but the LBs we get later aren't near the sure thing as Hawk is. Plus, this is a great group of TEs. You want guys that produced in college, you have Byrd and Lewis. You want guys with measurables, you have Pope and Scheffler. You want good all-around TEs, you have Fasano and Klopfenstein. You want a good H-Back type, you have Daniels and Thomas. This is a good TE class.

[jack's smirking revenge]

"4. If the Packers trade WR Javon Walker to the Broncos at the No. 15 spot, then either Holmes or Chad Jackson should fall to a team like Tampa Bay down at No. 23. If the Eagles win the bidding war for Walker, then Denver might have their pick of the receivers."
(from NFL.com)

I like how the press is starting to characterize this as a bidding war. Only increases Walker's value. Come draft day, this could be VERY interesting.

tyler