IF JAVON IS TRADED...........................

[RashanGary]

Bringing up Lewis is a complete joke. Davis and Lewis arn't even in the same page let alone paragraph or sentence. Davis is the most explosive pass catcher who has every played his position and Lewis is an average 1st round talent.

There are about 20 Hawks running around the NFL right now. There are zero Davis'. I'd take the dominate athlete over the average athete every time. Thompson made it pretty clear that he has no intention to take the safe pick.

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Bringing up Lewis is a complete joke. Davis and Lewis arn't even in the same page let alone paragraph or sentence. Davis is the most explosive pass catcher who has every played his position and Lewis is an average 1st round talent.

There are about 20 Hawks running around the NFL right now. There are zero Davis'. I'd take the dominate athlete over the average athete ever time. Thompson made it pretty clear that he has no intention to take the safe pick.

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SEEN HIM PLAY?


WHAT MAKES YOU SO SURE HE IS DOMINANT?


HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SEEN HIM PLAY?


HOW IS HE A BETTER "ATHLETE" THEN LEWIS?

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SEEN HIM PLAY?


IS IT THE FACT HE IS SHORTER, AND SMALLER?


HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SEEN HIM PLAY?


CAN YOU POST ALL THEIR EXACT MEASUREMENTS FROM THE COMBINE?

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SEEN HIM PLAY?

I THINK YOU'RE FULL OF SHIT AND HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING ON THIS GUY, READ HIS 40 TIME AND WERE BLOWN AWAY. I THINK THATS A LOAD OF SHIT. MATT JONES WAS A FREAKISH ATHLETE AND HE LOOKS LOST. IF YOU READ ANYTING SCOUTS WRITE, THEY SAY HE IS NOT VERY NATURAL AT ALL. THEY SAY HE IS AN ATHLETE TRYING TO CUT IT AS A FOOTBALL PLAYER.

OH, AND HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SEEN HIM PLAY?



HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SEEN LEWIS PLAY?



HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SEEN DAVIS PLAY?

[RashanGary]

I've seen all the tape on Davis that is available as well as all the tape of Lewis. You can go to Foxsports.com for clips. youtube. ESPN has some video archive...ect.....

I've never seen Lewis do anything remotely dominate. He reaches up and catches the ball. He cannot get separation. He cannot break tackles. He cannot outrun DB's to the endzone.

I've seen Davis throw DB's 5 feet across the field and break 3 would be tacklers at one time. I've seen him outrun safteys and DB's on his way to the endzone and he put up ACC leading numbers with a crappy QB throwing him the ball.

There is not one athlete in the NFL that can do what Davis does. It is not physically possible. I've never seen a player as dominate after the catch.

Also, Davis played basketball and football his whole life and has incredible balance and body control to bring in the tough catch. His hands are noted as one of his strengths.

[RashanGary]

http://ravens.scout.com/2/45711.html

Terrell Owens
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 225
40 YD Dash: 4.5


Vernon Davis
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 255
40 YD Dash: 4.38
Bench Press: 33
Vertical Jump: 42"

Kellen Winslow
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 247
40 yd dash: 4.5
Bench Reps: 24
Vertical Jump: 37"


No there has never been a player who is as physically dominate as Davis. Sure there are guys who are weaker, slower and less explosive who have great NFL careers. Sure there are top 6 prospects who pale in comparison. The fact is Davis makes great NFL players look like pussy's. You cannot teach a player to throw would be tackler's 5 feet. You cannot teach a player to jump 42" in the air to catch a ball. You cannot teach a player to outrun the entire defense to score 6. You cannot teach what Davis brings and Thompson has made it clear he's not going to settle for the safe pick. Thompson says "If you think I'm going to take the safe pick YOU DON'T KNOW ME VERY WELL" Welcome to the wide world of sports. Athletes go before effort.

[RashanGary]

Yeah..He's just like Winslow and T.O. except that T.O. and Winslow are exactly alike and Davis makes them look like friggin pussys

[HarveyWallbangers]

Davis might be as fast as any TE that has come out, but there is a lot more to the position than running fast (catching, blocking, route running, and hands). Hawk was faster than average, scored incredibly well in the other drills, and has shown the intangibles to succeed at the highest level. He does everything well. Plus, he's a born leader, has a tough-nosed attitude, anticipates well, and is a playmaker. Both are great prospects, but if you ask me if I'd rather have Hawk and Leonard Pope or Davis and Thomas Howard, I'd take Hawk and Pope. Actually, a better question to ask is whether you'd rather have Hawk, Davin Joseph, and Anthony Fasano or Davis, Howard, and Rob Sims? This team needs OLB and OG in a bad way, and there's good value in the first round (Hawk) and the 2nd round (Joseph) at those positions.

[Tarlam!]

If Davis lines up as TE, he'll be one of two on the play. This guy is too good to become a blocker, Harv.

[Deputy Nutz]

Befor the combine, Lewis and Davis were pretty much running neck in neck for the first tight end position. Both are legitimate football players. Davis had a really great combine, and Lewis faltered. If Lewis ran, say a 4.5 or even a 4.6 I think he would also be considered a top 10 talent.

Davis had a great combine, but guess what? My take on the college combine and pro day work outs is that they are becoming track meets. These guys take 2 months and go to Arizona or Florida and prepare strictly for the "events" at the combine. You most likely will not see Davis run anything near a 4.36 on the football field.

The thing that I respect about AJ Hawk is that he is still in school trying to get his degree, and still working out at the Buckeye facilities. He wasn't getting prepped for the combine for 8 hours a day. He would be lucky if he worked out 2 or 3 hours a day. The amazing thing is, that Hawk weighed 248 pounds at the combine, 5 less than Davis, and he still had the fastest short shuttle of any player there. It was also the second fastest in the last decade for front seven players.

You ask me to take Davis or Hawk heads up? Hawk beats Davis like a rented mule. Davis couldn't come close to blocking Hawk, and it would be hilarous to see Davis try to get past the 5 yard jam of Hawk. Simply put, Hawk is the better football player now, and 20 years from now when he will be inducted into the NFL Hall of Fame.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think Leonard Pope gets short-change a bit. This dude is 6'7" 256, has long arms, is a decent blocker, and ran a 4.62 40. We haven't seen many TEs with his measurables either.

Strengths:
Has outstanding size and a large frame with long arms...Is very athletic...Excellent receiver with great hands...Can stretch a defense vertically...Can run after the catch a little...Tremendous leaper with great ball skills...Has good body control and will make the difficult catch...Knows how to use his size and has a knack for getting open...Gets off the line well and runs good routes...Has a lot of upside.

Weaknesses:
Can do a better job as a blocker but has the tools to improve in that area...Has good speed but it is not in the elite category...Needs some technique work...Can be more physical and show more of a mean streak, especially as a blocker...Got into some trouble as a youngster but by all accounts he turned himself around.

Notes:
Has a career average of 18.1 yards per catch...A rare physical specimen who is a terror to match up against and can be a major force in the passing game...Just the type of dynamic weapon the pros are looking for in the position these days.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Marcedes Lewis and Dominique Byrd have tremendous hands and were productive in college. Anthony Fasano has been compared to Mark Bavaro. Joe Klopfenstein and Tony Scheffler are very good all-around athletes. This is a great draft for TEs.

Joe Klopfenstein

Height: 6-5 3/4 | Weight: 255 | 40-Time: 4.62

Strengths: Is tall and shows the frame to improve his bulk. He has very good speed for the position. He will drive defenders off the LOS and shows the ability to occasionally get over the top. He is an outstanding route runner. Shows savvy versus zone and runs crisp routes. Can separate from man-coverage and will generate some mismatches vs. slower LB's. His hands are outstanding. He can catch on the run, away from his frame and over his head. He also has a knack for getting open in the red zone and is a reliable target in clutch situations. He has long arms and a great wingspan. Shows impressive leaping ability (38-inch vertical). Great instincts in the red zone. He works hard and is technically sound as a blocker. More of a position and wall-off type who will give a good effort in trying to sustain. A hard working, high character player. A blue-collar type who keeps improving with more experience. Is durable and tough. The type of intelligent, tough, aggressive player an NFL team should want on its roster.

Weaknesses: Needs to continue to improve his bulk. A bit high-cut and lacks lower body strength. Plays with a narrow base as a blocker. Works hard and has good technique, but he lacks the power and explosiveness to jar defenders. He also gets in trouble when he's playing too erect in the phone booth. Does not show the ability to consistently create a new LOS as a run blocker. Needs to be in very good position to complete his assignment as a blocker. He has good top-end speed but is a long-strider who lacks quick-twitch athleticism and takes a little too long to get to top-speed. He's not overly elusive after the catch, either.

Notes: From a measurables standpoint this guy has what teams are looking for. May never rank amongst the elite tight ends in the league but could fall into that next tier. Should become a tremendous weapon in the passing game at the pro level.

Tony Scheffler

Height: 6-5 3/8 | Weight: 264 | 40-Time: 4.54

Strengths: Is a fine athlete. Possesses good height and the frame to improve his bulk. Is quick and fluid. Has above average speed and shows the ability to get down the seam as a receiver. Is instinctive and knows how to find soft spots in zone coverage. Shows impressive hand-eye coordination. A reliable target in the middle of the field. Has great production as a receiver. Knows how to read coverages. Is competitive and intelligent. Has good mobility and takes good angles as a blocker in space. A versatile athlete; also a starter on the school's baseball team.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal bulk and possesses marginal strength. Plays with a narrow base and gets pushed around too often. Does not match up as an in-line blocker and needs to be on the move in order to be effective. He struggles to sustain his blocks even after locking on. Will have some trouble getting off the LOS vs. press coverage in the NFL.

Overall: He was one of the most productive pass-catching tight ends in college football as a senior in 2005, when he finished with 57 receptions for 670 yards and nine touchdowns. Scheffler was also the starting left fielder for Western Michigan's baseball team. Scheffler is one of the most underrated prospects in the 2006 draft class.

Notes: Was also a standout on the Bronco baseball team where he was a career .293 hitter as an outfielder. It will be interesting to see how he develops once he focuses all of his attention on the gridiron. Basically, a one-dimensional receiving talent right now but really has some intriguing physical tools to work with.

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Pope has outrageous measureables and that height and athleticism you crave from a tight end (also a basketball player). If he was there in the third i'd think he'd be a darn good pick.

Collins, notice everyone and their mother thinks you're overhyping this dude. You said it yourself a week ago that you were overhyping him. Now you're back on his bandwagon. I don't get it man.

[Sparkey]

Yeah..He's just like Winslow and T.O. except that T.O. and Winslow are exactly alike and Davis makes them look like friggin pussys

I have yet too see Davis play against NFL quality linebackers and safeties so saying he is like TO is an extreme stretch.

BTW, what good is Davis if we do not have a QB to get him the ball ? ?

See, the way I look at it, when you compare impact players at positions, receivers (te, wr, etc) are not as important or can make as big of an impact on a game as other positions because they are secondary positions.

What I mean by that is that until the QB actually throws the ball into their hands they can not make a significant impact on a game. Where as LB and DE are impact positions that do not rely on another player to bring them into the play.

[swede]

I am not surprised to hear people say that Vernon Davis could be great. I am shocked to hear anyone sat that he will be great. Great NFL athletes need the measurables, but measurables don't make a guy a player.

I saw some of the video and what I saw didn't make me think that the guy played fast, even though he might be fast.

This draft is too important to screw up. Defense is too important to leave it all to second tier players.

AJ Hawk @ #5.

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great players don't even need the measurables. Look at Stevie Smith. He's a wee man of my height but he is SICK

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Comparing Vernon Davis to a top 5 receiver in the NFL before he played a snap if the most outrageous thing i've ever heard.