Rodgers out of the insider plans??? Told to keep quiet...

[The Shadow]

Don't believe that the Packers trade a 1st round QB that has not even yet had a chance to demonstrate his skills.
The rumors that include him as part of a 'package' all sound fishy.

Nothing "fishy" about Rogers. He was a first round mistake and believe it or not, TT, Sherman and McCarthy were/are not impressed with Rogers in any way. What they tell the media and what is reality is seldom ever the same.

Rogers for Moss seems to me like a very fair trade. We get rid of someone who has shown NOTHING in two seasons. He has had ample opportunity to show his skills. Playing in a regular season game is not when you "show your skills". Playing in a regular season game is a reward for "showing your skills" during all other facets. He doesn't practice well, his pre-season performances were a joke and he has shown that he can't read defenses, can't throw well and can't lead the team when called upon. We won't get anything for Rogers. There is a reason we have him, EVER OTHER SCOUT IN THE NFL DIDN'T WANT HIM IN THE FIRST ROUND. They knew he was a joke and the only reason TT took him was because he thought he could get Favre out sooner.

Let me get this straight :
a.Playing in a regular season game - with your starters against opponent starters - is NOT when you "show your skills".
b. Rodgers can't read defense, throw well, or lead a team. Based on, I assume, the many chances he never had....?
c. Everyone, including his own mother, hates the player most scouts had rated #1 or #2 at the QB position. The scouts all thought that pretending to think highly of his abilities was a terrific joke to play on the Packers.
d. Ted Thompson wanted to "get Favre out". In other words, Teddy, from the first, has been trying to get himself fired by wrecking the Packers in his secret, burning vendetta against Brett Favre.

Thanks for the concise, logical analysis.[/i]

[motife]

what does this guy know about Aaron Rodgers?

He calls him a "gel-haired prick" and "the biggest douche bag in the NFL".

What evidence is there for this charge?

http://bugsandcranks.com/milwaukee-brewers/a-pictures-worth-a-thousand-words/

"Boston media sources are reporting that it’s all but a done deal that Randy Moss will be traded to the Pack in exchange for ”the gel-haired prick” a.k.a. Aaron Rodgers, and a 7th round pick in 2008. Oh yeah, we also fill another need by getting Raiders tight end Courtney Anderson as part of the deal. I know he’s no pro-bowler, but this might be one of the best deals the Pack has made since Old Man Wolf traded for Favre.

Say what you will about Moss, who is perhaps best known for mooning the Lambeau faithful during one of the lowest moments in franchise history, but I get chills thinking about Moss, Driver and Jennings lining up with Favre for one last hurrah. When Koren “Smokey” Robinson gets back from his suspension, it’s gonna get even more sick. So to recap, the Pack gets one of the greatest receivers in the history of the league, while getting rid of one of the biggest douchebags in the league."

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Rodgers

I remember lots of articles also written about Smith being a product of hte system as well....AND, lots of people have said the same thing about Leak..."productive QB with the same skills as Alex Smith, but he is a product of the "Urban" system"....So does that mean Leak is gonna be decent as well?

Urban didn't install the same offense at FL that he ran at Utah.

[ND72]

Re: Rodgers

I remember lots of articles also written about Smith being a product of hte system as well....AND, lots of people have said the same thing about Leak..."productive QB with the same skills as Alex Smith, but he is a product of the "Urban" system"....So does that mean Leak is gonna be decent as well?

Urban didn't install the same offense at FL that he ran at Utah.

In an interview on espn this past year, I vividly remember him saying "we put in a mini version of the Utah offense so Chris Leak could learn it quick enough to run it in his 2 years, but the full offense will be in for Teabow, and that every year they've installed little by little more. He has in fact installed the same offense. He lives on that offense. He's ran it for 15 years, why would he change now?

[Patler]

For two years BEFORE Rodgers was drafted, the "experts'" listed QB as one of the Packers biggest draft needs. There were rumors every year of them trading to move up to pick a QB. Have you all forgotten that Losman was pretty well a forgone conclusion to be drafted by the Packers until Buffalo jumped ahead of the Packers to take him? The year before there was a lot of talk about the Packers going after Chris Simms on the first day.

As for Rodgers, I don't recall a single draft expert who thought it was a bad choice. All thought it was the best for both Rodgers and the Packers. He could serve as a backup, then take over when he was ready in 2 or 3 years. As for his skills, he impressed the scouts beyond expectations at his private workout. All pretty much agreed that his workout was as good as Smith's. Many questioned his ability to throw deep until he showed that he could.

As ND said, it was predicted well before the draft that only 2 or 3 teams at most before GB would even consider taking a QB, so the chance of Rodgers or Smith falling to GB was always considered a real possibility.

As for Rodgers' "happy feet", apparently many of you do not remember the young Brett Favre (and most any young QB) who for several years as a starter would look to one receiver, then either throw to him even if he was covered or take off and run the ball. One of Favre's weaknesses for quite a while was that he did not read defenses well. It takes time.

With Favre waffling for years about his intentions, the Packers needed a fall back plan, a plan for the future. However, no QB that follows him will ever be good enough for far too many fans.

[Merlin]

Re: Rodgers

Rodgers fell because several GM's believed he was a product of the system he played in. There was over-whelming proof that similiar QB's in that system did not translate their success into the NFL level. Good Lord, every "expert" and their brother wrote about that. As far as needing one of your own, tell that to the Saints just to name 1 example.

I remember lots of articles also written about Smith being a product of hte system as well....AND, lots of people have said the same thing about Leak..."productive QB with the same skills as Alex Smith, but he is a product of the "Urban" system"....So does that mean Leak is gonna be decent as well? PLUS, I still don't think Alex Smith is that good. He had about 5 "good" games last year that I can remember. But you're right, nobody can say anything about Rodgers, because we don't know yet. BUT...lots of "experts" on these forums already seem to know how good he is.

The "experts" seems to be the ones who think Rogers hasn't been given a chance. Rogers has been given EVERY opportunity to show what he has and he HAS YET to SHOW ANYTHING. Anyone who thinks that what he shows in a regular season game is proof needs to stop posting ANYTHING to do with the NFL. He did not impress in any training camp or any time he played in anything resembling a game. After two years of less then mediocrity it's time to admit it was a mistake, trade him, and move on. Craig Nall was ten times the QB Rogers was yet we parted ways with him because of Rogers. Ingle Martin HAS impressed in training camp and the very few snaps with the scrubs he has played. Rogers on the otherhand gets the first team every time he touches the ball and looks like shit. So let's keep grooming him? I don't think so. If ANY team is willing to trade us someone with Moss's talents then you TAKE IT because he won't be worth a damn if anyone ever gets to see the guy pplay a full game. We will be stuck with him and eventually have to release or cut him for NOTHING.

As ar as trading KGB for Moss, I would only do that if it did something to free up our cap which I am not to sure it would do. Otherwise, Rogers is the obvious trade here. KGB is a proven, effective pass rusher when he is only in the game limited downs. Is he over paid? Not if he get's 12-15 sacks a season he isn't. In fact, in comparison to other DE's in the league who are paid more and get less sacks, he would be under paid. It's worth keeping him IF he can get back to the DE he was before Sherman bone-headedly made him an every down DE and finaly a coach with a clue said it isn't working. I won't say "I told you so" because evidently I am no expert. Just someone who sees reality for what it is and applies logic.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Rodgers

Urban didn't install the same offense at FL that he ran at Utah.

In an interview on espn this past year, I vividly remember him saying "we put in a mini version of the Utah offense so Chris Leak could learn it quick enough to run it in his 2 years, but the full offense will be in for Teabow, and that every year they've installed little by little more. He has in fact installed the same offense. He lives on that offense. He's ran it for 15 years, why would he change now?

Well Urban was only at Utah for 2 years, so I'm not sure what the difference was between Leak's 2 years and Smith's 2 years. I watched a lot of both teams play. The mini version didn't look much like what he ran at Utah.

I feel sorry for SEC Defensive Coordinators if they get the full offense in for Teabow. Dan Mullen is going to make a helluva great coach in the very near future.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Rodgers

Urban didn't install the same offense at FL that he ran at Utah.

In an interview on espn this past year, I vividly remember him saying "we put in a mini version of the Utah offense so Chris Leak could learn it quick enough to run it in his 2 years, but the full offense will be in for Teabow, and that every year they've installed little by little more. He has in fact installed the same offense. He lives on that offense. He's ran it for 15 years, why would he change now?

Not sure where you're getting 15 years.

Years Title Location
2005-Present Head Coach Florida
2003-2004 Head Coach Utah
2001-2002 Head Coach Bowling Green
1996-2000 Wide Receivers Coach Notre Dame
1990-1995 Wide Receivers Coach & Quarterback Coach Colorado State
1988-1989 Passing Game Coach & Outside Linebacker Coach Illinois St.
1986-1987 Assistant Coach Ohio State

[The Shadow]

"The "experts" seems to be the ones who think Rogers hasn't been given a chance."

I suppose I'm an "expert", then.
Gee, I've never been accused of that before.

[The Shadow]

"Rogers has been given EVERY opportunity to show what he has and he HAS YET to SHOW ANYTHING. Anyone who thinks that what he shows in a regular season game is proof needs to stop posting ANYTHING to do with the NFL."

Damn! One minute an "expert" - then I am barred from posting anything about the NFL.

[KYPack]

Re: Rodgers

The "experts" seems to be the ones who think Rogers hasn't been given a chance. Rogers has been given EVERY opportunity to show what he has and he HAS YET to SHOW ANYTHING. Anyone who thinks that what he shows in a regular season game is proof needs to stop posting ANYTHING to do with the NFL. He did not impress in any training camp or any time he played in anything resembling a game. ic.

Merlin, me boyo, you need to take a LOOOOONG pull on that Leinie you've got in yer avatar

Rodgers has never started an NFL game. This is his 3rd year. It takes time to brew a starting NFL QB. Most guys struggle at least 3 years before the light bulb goes on. Terry Bradshaw was one of the worst rated QB's of all time for his first 5 seasons. Vinny Testaverde didn't have a decent year until his 7th season.

You can go on and on, but the crux of the matter is Rodgers hasn't even gotten his chance yet. Wait until he does to pass judgement.

Second, for you to denigrate other posters for their opinion about an untested player is totally foolish.

[Partial]

Re: Rodgers

Urban didn't install the same offense at FL that he ran at Utah.

In an interview on espn this past year, I vividly remember him saying "we put in a mini version of the Utah offense so Chris Leak could learn it quick enough to run it in his 2 years, but the full offense will be in for Teabow, and that every year they've installed little by little more. He has in fact installed the same offense. He lives on that offense. He's ran it for 15 years, why would he change now?

Well Urban was only at Utah for 2 years, so I'm not sure what the difference was between Leak's 2 years and Smith's 2 years. I watched a lot of both teams play. The mini version didn't look much like what he ran at Utah.

I feel sorry for SEC Defensive Coordinators if they get the full offense in for Teabow. Dan Mullen is going to make a helluva great coach in the very near future.

more like teabag. Boo gators yay badgers!

[Partial]

Re: Rodgers

Rodgers fell because several GM's believed he was a product of the system he played in. There was over-whelming proof that similiar QB's in that system did not translate their success into the NFL level. Good Lord, every "expert" and their brother wrote about that. As far as needing one of your own, tell that to the Saints just to name 1 example.

I remember lots of articles also written about Smith being a product of hte system as well....AND, lots of people have said the same thing about Leak..."productive QB with the same skills as Alex Smith, but he is a product of the "Urban" system"....So does that mean Leak is gonna be decent as well? PLUS, I still don't think Alex Smith is that good. He had about 5 "good" games last year that I can remember. But you're right, nobody can say anything about Rodgers, because we don't know yet. BUT...lots of "experts" on these forums already seem to know how good he is.

The "experts" seems to be the ones who think Rogers hasn't been given a chance. Rogers has been given EVERY opportunity to show what he has and he HAS YET to SHOW ANYTHING. Anyone who thinks that what he shows in a regular season game is proof needs to stop posting ANYTHING to do with the NFL. He did not impress in any training camp or any time he played in anything resembling a game. After two years of less then mediocrity it's time to admit it was a mistake, trade him, and move on. Craig Nall was ten times the QB Rogers was yet we parted ways with him because of Rogers. Ingle Martin HAS impressed in training camp and the very few snaps with the scrubs he has played. Rogers on the otherhand gets the first team every time he touches the ball and looks like shit. So let's keep grooming him? I don't think so. If ANY team is willing to trade us someone with Moss's talents then you TAKE IT because he won't be worth a damn if anyone ever gets to see the guy pplay a full game. We will be stuck with him and eventually have to release or cut him for NOTHING.

As ar as trading KGB for Moss, I would only do that if it did something to free up our cap which I am not to sure it would do. Otherwise, Rogers is the obvious trade here. KGB is a proven, effective pass rusher when he is only in the game limited downs. Is he over paid? Not if he get's 12-15 sacks a season he isn't. In fact, in comparison to other DE's in the league who are paid more and get less sacks, he would be under paid. It's worth keeping him IF he can get back to the DE he was before Sherman bone-headedly made him an every down DE and finaly a coach with a clue said it isn't working. I won't say "I told you so" because evidently I am no expert. Just someone who sees reality for what it is and applies logic.

In the words of former Packer Gary Ellerson, quit smoking crack.

[swede]

You don't hear any of the players or coaches say anything bad about Rodgers.

But, other than the usual yada yada about what a hard worker he is you don't hear them say anything that suggests that he couldn't be replaced by the first QB to get off the Free Agent bus the year after Favre retires.

I'm still stunned that the guy breaks a foot bone in the first chance he gets to mop up.

I'm not hatin' on him. I just wouldn't ever regret trading him if the opportunity came at any time for any player or any pick high 3 or better.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: Rodgers

s for evaluating Rodgers, we've seen him play in pre-season and you can make a minor judgement based on that. He has "happy feet" and like most in-experienced QB's locks onto his primart target. He just does'nt seem to do any one thing well.

Yet, he was one of the highest rated QBs in the 2006 preseason. He went 22 for 38 for 323 yards with 3 TDs and 1 interception. Yet, many people perceive that he sucked. If he were a 6th round pick like Matt Hasselbeck, people would applaud his effort in the preseason. Perception is a hard thing to overcome.

He probably had "happy feet" because he was playing behind a young OL that was learning a new scheme who just completely sucked in the preseason. Remember how poor Daryn Colledge looked in the preseason. He got no protection. I'd think his "happy feet" will subside once he feels comfortable with the offense and confident in his OL.

I didn't want him to drop to us, and I didn't like the pick. However, I noticed tangible improvement from him from year 1 to year 2. I'm not ready to write him off. He's in a no-lose situation though. He'll always be the guy who is "no Brett Favre."