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**BlueBrewer** · 03-23-2007, 09:58 AM

This mock is @*%!&@ #$&#! These guys are on crack!

**woodbuck27** · 03-23-2007, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by BlueBrewer

This mock is @*%!&@ #$&#! These guys are on crack!

Please revise it as you see fit.

**woodbuck27** · 03-23-2007, 10:13 AM

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**LL2** · 03-23-2007, 10:15 AM

I'd be ok with Irons in the 2nd, but not Hall in the first. I'm a Michigan fan, but it seems a lot of Michigan players do not translate well to the pros. I think I'd take Sydney Rice over Hall if the first 15 picks go the way they predicted.

**woodbuck27** · 03-23-2007, 10:17 AM

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**woodbuck27** · 03-23-2007, 10:41 AM

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Mock draft No. 4

By Pat Kirwan
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Note: Pat Kirwan will update his mock draft on Mondays between now and the April 28-29 draft.

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(March 22, 2007) -- Mock Draft No. 4 reflects the big trade between the Falcons and Texans, which sent Matt Schaub out to Texas.

Free-agent signings are slowing down a bit but there are still a few personnel moves affecting the draft. The NFL annual meeting, which will be held next week in Phoenix, usually marks the turning point to the draft.

Last week, I said the Falcons would trade up, and they did. I thought it might be a good time to look at a few Draft Day trades that could make the 2007 draft interesting.

With each passing week, the free-agent signings and the latest information coming out of the Pro Day workouts clears up the draft picture.

I had nine changes from the first-round mock draft to the second draft, and now with a few hypothetical trades and changing draft boards there were 12 more changes in the third edition.

Although very few new names are in the first round this time, the ripple effect of a few moves has caused 11 players to move around.

Note: Changes from the third mock draft are marked with an asterisk. There are two hypothetical trades in this mock draft.

1. Oakland: JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU -- The Raiders have a lot of needs, but as long as quarterback is one of them, they have to respond by selecting the guy with the great deep ball. I could see a move down, especially now that Cleveland will not need Adrian Peterson and someone was counting on tackle Joe Thomas or wide receiver Calvin Johnson.

2. **Tampa Bay (after trade with Detroit): Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech -- There is a relationship between Lions head coach Rod Marinelli and Tampa Bay general manager Bruce Allen and Allen loves to make deals. After the great workout by Johnson, it's time to move up to get him but not until the Raiders make their selection. There's no sense to move up if Johnson is already gone. The Lions get Tampa's second- and fourth-round selections to move down.

3. Cleveland: Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin -- The signing of Jamal Lewis turned the top of this draft upside down. Thomas reminds me of the year general manager Phil Savage, then with the Ravens, took Jonathan Ogden with the third pick in the draft. Thomas can start for 10 years, but the Browns still need a quarterback.

4. **Detroit (after trade with Tampa Bay): Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame -- Detroit selects the quarterback of the future and will come back early in the second round with picks Nos. 34 and 35 and get the critical needs at safety and linebacker.

5. Arizona: Gaines Adams, DE Clemson -- The Cardinals could move up for Joe Thomas or move down a slot or two and take Levi Brown, but unless they have a dealmaker in the building, they stay put and improve the pass rush.

6. Washington: Alan Branch, NT, Michigan -- The Redskins will consider the best pass rusher at this spot but Branch is rare and can move for a big man. He may make the defensive ends better by just being on the field. The NFC East wants to run the ball and Branch is the best run stuffer.

7. **Minnesota: LaRon Landry, S, LSU -- As soon as the Atlanta-Houston trade went down and Atlanta moved up to No. 8, Minnesota lost a trade partner. Quinn would be great if available, but my mock draft has him gone, so Minnesota now will stay put and takes Landry.

8. **Atlanta: Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville -- The Falcons now are two spots higher at No. 8, and will take Landry if he's there. If not, it will be Okoye. Bobby Petrino is the new head coach and he coached the 19-year-old in college.

9. **Miami: Levi Brown, OT, Penn State -- The Dolphins have not had a real solid left tackle since Richmond Webb. He will line up Week 1 in September and won't come off the field for 10 years.

10. **Houston: Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma -- Moved down two spots in the Schaub trade and probably lost the chance to take Levi Brown, so the Texans call Peterson's name. Even though they signed Ahman Green, Peterson is the highest-rated player on their board at this point.

11. San Francisco: Adam Carriker, DE, Nebraska -- Carriker is a great fit for coach Mike Nolan and his desire to build a solid 3-4 defense with high-character players. He plugs in as a rookie and holds his spot for eight to 10 years.

12. **Buffalo: Patrick Willis, LB, Mississippi -- Willis is the best MLB in the draft, the Bills lost London Fletcher in free agency and I'm presuming Houston will take Adrian Peterson. Patrick recently ran under 4.4 at his Pro Day and is a tackling machine.

13. St. Louis: Darrelle Revis, CB, Pittsburgh -- There was a lot of debate on the Rams' pick this weekend by club executives studying this every day. Last week it was Leon Hall, but when Revis turned in a 4.39 40-yard dash with his size, they switch.

14. **Carolina: Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn State -- If the Panthers want Willis, they probably will have to get ahead of the Bills. But the guess here is they'll stay put and take Posluszny, who can line up at any of the three linebacker spots. The Panthers never recovered after losing Will Witherspoon, and Dan Morgan has medical questions.

15. **Pittsburgh: Leon Hall, CB, Michigan -- The Steelers could easily take an outside linebacker here, but the corner might have a higher grade. Mike Tomlin plays Cover 2, and corners in zone defenses are not as big a priority as they are with man-coverage teams, but Hall is solid.

16. Green Bay: Marshawn Lynch, RB, California -- The Packer needs a back and Lynch can catch the ball as well as run with it. I could see Green Bay in a serious discussion about tight end Greg Olsen at this spot.

17. Jacksonville: Reggie Nelson, S, Florida -- Deon Grant is gone, so a starting safety is needed. There will be discussions about other safeties like Michael Griffin, but Nelson's personal workout the other day should make him the choice.

18. **Cincinnati: Chris Houston, CB, Arkansas -- The Bengals want a corner or a safety. Houston is a solid pick, but I wonder what kind of offense the team would have if Greg Olsen were selected here.

19. Tennessee: Dwayne Jarrett, WR, USC -- Drew Bennett is gone and offensive coordinator Norm Chow needs a few of his "own guys." Jarrett scores touchdowns and is a very big target in the red zone. Some people have Jarrett out of the first round, but here's a guy who scored a touchdown once every five receptions.

20. N.Y. Giants: Lawrence Timmons, OLB, Florida State -- The Giants need a linebacker, and now that Cato June has signed with the Bucs, the free-agent market is lean.

21. Denver: Jarvis Moss, DE, Florida -- The Broncos lost out in their pursuit of Patrick Kerney, so Moss makes some sense at this spot.

22. Dallas: Michael Griffin, S, Texas -- The Cowboys will look at the best corners, safeties and wide receivers at this spot. With three or four solid wide receivers and at least two defensive backs left with first-round grades, Jerry Jones will get a good player.

Ted Ginn could fill a few roles for the aging Chiefs.

23. Kansas City: Ted Ginn Jr., WR, Ohio State -- The Chiefs really want a great defensive tackle at this spot but the draft board says wait -- because the best are gone. If Ginn does fall to the Chiefs, it will be a big day for the Chiefs offense. He will push the field and create underneath lanes for TE Tony Gonzalez. He also has eight touchdowns on kick returns, and Dante Hall isn't the player he once was.

24. New Orleans (after trade with New England): Greg Olsen, TE, Miami -- The Saints need a tight end and they must get ahead of the Jets to get Olsen. New Orleans gives up a fourth-round pick to move up.

25. N.Y. Jets: Aaron Ross, CB, Texas -- The Jets need help in the secondary and on the defensive line, and now that Olsen is gone, they discuss the remaining corners and take Ross.

26. **Philadelphia: Marcus McCauley, CB, Fresno State -- The Eagles need a corner, a safety and an outside linebacker. They will discuss Jon Beason, Anthony Spencer and Brandon Merriweather before taking one of the biggest corners in the draft and one who can match up with the big NFC East receivers.

27. New England (after trade with New Orleans): Anthony Spencer, LB/DE, Purdue -- Even though the Patriots signed Adalius Thomas, Spencer makes plays and is a long-term answer opposite Thomas.

28. **New England: Ryan Kalil, C, USC -- With two first-round picks and a very aggressive offseason in the free-agency market, the Patriots can afford to take the highest-rated center and not worry about the position for a very long time.

29. **Baltimore: Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan -- Joe had a big workout last week and has emerged as the third tackle in this draft. Ogden is thinking about retirement; Staley can play guard until that happens. The Ravens are going to have to find an OLB later on in this draft -- maybe a guy like Lamarr Woodley in the second round.

30. San Diego: Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee -- The Chargers need an injection of young receivers and Meachem looked fast and smooth at the Combine. If he falls to San Diego, this would be a steal for the team. If he doesn't and Dwayne Bowe is available, he's another great choice.

31. Chicago: Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU -- Chicago could really use tackle Joe Staley but Bowe should have a higher grade. There's a lot of good talent still left in this draft.

32. Indianapolis: Jon Beason, OLB, Miami -- It would not surprise me to see Colts general manger Bill Polian look at a defensive tackle, cornerback, safety or outside linebacker here, maybe a defensive tackle like Tank Tyler or a corner like Daymeion Hughes? But the best outside 'backer on the board wins out as the replacement for Cato June.

**woodbuck27** · 03-23-2007, 10:50 AM

Here's one more having us taking RB M. Lynch at 16:

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Updated mock draft

By Jamie Dukes
Special to NFL.com

Dukes' post-Combine mock draft

(March 22, 2007) -- NFL Network analyst Jamie Dukes offers up an updated mock draft following the trade between the Falcons and Texans in which the teams traded spots in the first round and quarterback Matt Schaub was sent to Houston.

1. Oakland: JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU -- The big question is do the Raiders have the pallet to pay a quarterback at the first pick? There is a lot of Randy Moss trade talk, but regardless of whether he stays or goes, Russell is the man for the job as he solidified his potential with a great Pro Day performance.

2. Detroit: Joe Thomas, T, Wisconsin -- The Lions like Brady Quinn but not enough to select him at No. 2. The Lions are trying to trade down but the price may be too high.Thomas is an athletic franchise tackle that is not the traditional road-grader type the Badgers are known for and he still makes sense. He has a nasty temperament but may be better served as a right tackle due to the length of his arms.

The Browns have a lot of needs, but Brady Quinn may be the choice.
3. Cleveland: Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame -- There is a philosophical disagreement between the coaching staff and management. Ownership wants a player who can yield big dividends in the future, while the coaches recognize they are on a shorter leash and want to bring in a player that can help them win now. The signing of running back Jamal Lewis seems to indicate management will win this conversation.

4. Tampa Bay: Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech -- Defensive ends Simeon Rice and Greg Spires are getting older and Gaines Adams should be the guy, but Calvin Johnson is too tempting to pass up for Jon Gruden, who has and effective but aging Joey Galloway and an inconsistent Mark Clayton as his receiver. My source tells me "it will cost a lot to get the rights to this kid" if someone wanted to trade for the draft rights to Johnson.

5. Arizona: Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson -- The Cards are moving on without mammoth tackle Leonard Davis, so they could draft Joe Thomas if he is available or trade down to position for Penn State tackle Levi Brown. It is vital for the Cards to grab Thomas or Brown to replace Davis and trading up to Cleveland's spot at No. 3 could be an option to get Thomas. Should Arizona hold pat, Adams is perfect for the young, talented team.

6. Washington: Alan Branch, DT, Michigan -- The Redskins are in desperate need of a pass rusher. They could draft Gaines Adams if he is available or trade down for additional picks and select a pass rusher later in the first round. If not, they take the highest guy on the board, which happens to be Branch.

7. Minnesota: Leon Hall, CB, Michigan -- The Vikings were among the worst teams against the pass last season. They should draft the best all-around corner because, tackling will also be a requirement since the Vikes were No. 1 against the run. Fred Smoot was a disappointment and has been released and Hall is a physical corner who fits the bill. Arkansas corner Chris Houston is also a possibility.

8. Atlanta: Levi Brown, T, Penn State -- The Falcons have several holes and did not have the luxury of keeping Matt Schaub. By moving up to the No. 8 position, the Falcons will draft the cornerstone tackle they need in Levi Brown. Current Atlanta left tackle Wayne Gandy still has something left in the tank, so if I am the Falcons, I put Brown at left guard, an area that has been a week spot for years. The when Gandy is done, Atlanta can move Brown to tackle. With the Schaub trade, the Falcons have three of the first 44 picks (8th, 39th and 44th) this year and a pair of second-round picks in 2008. They got a lot for a guy who has never won an NFL game and is slightly over a 50 percent passer -- hats off to Rich McKay.

9. Miami: Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville -- Cornerback is also a pressing need and should Levi Brown fall to this position the Dolphins would be compelled to take the cornerstone tackle. But Miami also has to get younger on the defensive line and the 19-year-old Okoye makes sense. After his stellar Combine workout, cornerback Chris Houston may have played himself into the top 10.

10. Houston: LaRon Landry, S, LSU -- With the loss of a second-round pick, the best thing to do is trade down with a team that is offering a minimum of swapping positions in the first round and a third-round or better choice. But should the Texans stay here, they have to take the best guy on the board. Safeties C.C. Brown and Glenn Earl had two interceptions between them for Houston last season.

11. San Francisco: Ted Ginn Jr ., WR, Ohio State -- Niners quarterback Alex Smith showed signs of life and all he needs is a big-play, go-to wide receiver. Due to his game-breaking abilities in the return game, Ginn Jr. is the top candidate at receiver behind Calvin Johnson.

12. Buffalo: Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma -- With Willis McGahee traded to Baltimore, if Peterson is here, expect the Bills to jump all over him. At No. 12, there is no doubt Peterson would be the steal of the draft.

13. St. Louis: Adam Carriker, DE, Nebraska -- The Rams were the 31st-ranked run defense and Carriker is the most flexible of all the defensive linemen. He can play rush end, two-gap end and the three technique.

This fella is on the rise?

14. Carolina: Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami -- The Panthers could not run the ball last year and are in desperate need of an offensive tackle, but there are no tackle's rated high enough to be taken in this position. Drafting a safety makes sense since Shaun Williams (nine years) and Mike Minter (10 years) both have a lot of mileage, but trading down could yield more draft choices and the safety of their choice.

15. Pittsburgh: Chris Houston, CB, Arkansas -- New Steelers coach Mike Tomlin will want to shore up the secondary and Houston is a playmaking corner who has played on the big stage. Florida defensive end Jarvis Moss will be a tempting choice as Thomlin subtly makes the transition from a 3-4 scheme to the 4-3.

He certainly looks very right for us as the draft approach's.

16. Green Bay: Marshawn Lynch, RB, California-- Brett Favre has vowed to return for one more season and the Pack could use another weapon. The "checkdown man" Ahman Green is gone and Lynch is a good young back with a burst and good hands.

Patrick Willis over Paul Posluszny as top LBer in this draft?

17. Jacksonville: Patrick Willis, LB, Mississippi -- Jack Del Rio is getting great play out of defensive tackles Marcus Stroud and John Henderson. The Jags need more playmakers at linebacker -- when Mike Peterson went down last year, there was a dropoff in production at the position -- so Penn State's Paul Posluszny or Florida State's Lawrence Timmons also make sense here as outside linebackers.

18. Cincinnati: Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn State -- Chances are David Pollack will not return and chances are Odell Thurman may do something stupid again. In addition to being a great football player, Posluszny is a high-character guy. Florida State's Lawrence Timmons also make sense here

19. Tennessee: Lawrence Timmons, LB, Florida State -- The Titans were 30th against the run last year and Timmons is a tackling machine that has the versatility to play in the slot and as a rush outside linebacker.

20. N.Y. Giants: Tony Ugoh, T, Arkansas -- With the acquisition of Rueben Droughns, the Giants will move to the thunder-and-thunder offense with Brandon Jacobs. Tackles Luke Petitgout and Bob Whitfield are gone and the Giants need protection. Central Michigan tackle Joe Staley could also go here.

21. Denver: Joe Staley, T, Central Michigan -- The Broncos enjoy wheeling and dealing so I would not be surprised to see the Broncos jump up to get Marshawn Lynch. With the trading of Tatum Bell and George Foster, two voids have been created. I believe the Broncos will fill the void on the offensive line first and the athletic Staley makes sense. Arkansas offensive lineman Tony Ugoh could also go in this position.

22. Dallas: Michael Griffin, S, Texas -- Should the Cowboys decide not to pursue Mike Doss in free agency, they must address the safety position. The former Longhorn has great instincts for the football and has played on the biggest stages and excelled. As for the Dallas' current safety, Roy Williams, it's Ocean's 13 time -- he needs to drop 13 pounds by way of a seafood diet. If not, put 13 pounds on and make him a linebacker.

The Cowboys may be well served to keep Michael Griffin deep in the heart of Texas.

23. Kansas City: Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU -- The Achilles heel of the Chiefs offense is the lack of a big-time playmaker at wide receiver. Bowe has the speed and size that is perfect for the Chiefs.

24. New England: Jon Beason, LB, Miami -- Bill Belichick and Andy Ried have done the best job in the league of stockpiling depth. Linebackers Tedy Bruschi and Mike Vrabel are getting older and Beason is a tackling machine. With the addition of Adalius Thomas in free agency, Beason would make the Patriots linebacker crew beastly.

25. N.Y. Jets: Jarvis Moss, DE, Florida -- The J -E-T-S, Jets, Jets, Jets defense was as average as grits, grits, grits last year. The Jets did a great job of fortifying the offense with the drafting of D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold and Leon Washington last year. Now it's time to take care of the defense. New York had to blitz last season to get pressure on the quarterback and Moss will create heat in a hurry. He has John Abraham's first step.

26. Philadelphia: Reggie Nelson, S, Florida -- Replacing receiver Donte' Stallworth with Kevin Curtis allows Andy Reid to bring another reptile to the secondary. Nelson has the natural instincts of Ed Reed. Eagles safety Michael Lewis fell out of favor last season as Sean Considine took his job. Nelson could be a replacement for Considine and ultimate replacement for Brian Dawkins.

27. New Orleans: Aaron Ross, CB, Texas -- Highway 22 known as Saints cornerback Fred Thomas must be fixed and Ross can plug the hole. Based on his workout, Pittsburgh corner Darrelle Revis could go in this spot.

28. New England: Darrelle Revis, CB, Pittsburgh -- Like the Eagles, the Patriots are the best at stockpiling players. Backup corners Chad Scott and free-agent Ray Mickens have 22 years experience between them and there are still too many Troy Brown sightings on defense for my liking. New England should trade down or draft Revis. Bill Belichick also mentors Florida coach Urban Meyer, so defensive end Jarvis Moss could go here.

29. Baltimore: Justin Blalock, G/T, Texas -- Jonathan Ogden is talking about calling it quits in the next year of so and it makes perfect sense to get his replacement at the position right now. Ozzie Newsome is known for grabbing athletic guys and Blalock has the flexibility to play guard or tackle. Expect the Ravens to draft a guard big guard like Arron Sears or Joshua Beekman in the second and/or third round.

30. San Diego: Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee -- Meacham is a polished receiver who flourished with the return of David Cutcliff back to the Tennesee Vols offense. He's a strong and athletic wideout with good speed.

31. Chicago: Ben Grubbs, G, Auburn -- Roberto Garza was a liability during the Super Bowl in the passing game and Grubbs has an understanding of the passing game protection requirements.

32. Indianapolis: Anthony Spencer, DE, Purdue -- The success of Dwight Freeney may make passing up Anthony Spencer difficult. Gator Ray McDonald would be a nice fit as well as the Colts continue to play Rent-A-Defender.

**The Leaper** · 03-24-2007, 12:26 AM

Any draft with Reggie Nelson out of the top 20 isn't doing their homework. Nelson was a probable top 20 pick coming into the draft campaign, and only helped himself with a fabulous showing at Florida's pro day.

If we pass on a true coverage safety like that, I will be pissed. The RBs, WRs, and TEs in this draft are mostly second and third tier talent...and not worth taking in the first round unless you want to roll the dice in a bad way.

**Bretsky** · 03-24-2007, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by The Leaper

Any draft with Reggie Nelson out of the top 20 isn't doing their homework. Nelson was a probable top 20 pick coming into the draft campaign, and only helped himself with a fabulous showing at Florida's pro day.

If we pass on a true coverage safety like that, I will be pissed. The RBs, WRs, and TEs in this draft are mostly second and third tier talent...and not worth taking in the first round unless you want to roll the dice in a bad way.

I agree completely; but we do disagree on Meacham. He's going to be a legit NFL WR. Great hands, size, speed, and is exactly the type of WR that Green Bay needs to compliment Driver and Jennings

**Charles Woodson** · 03-24-2007, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Bretsky

Originally posted by The Leaper

Any draft with Reggie Nelson out of the top 20 isn't doing their homework. Nelson was a probable top 20 pick coming into the draft campaign, and only helped himself with a fabulous showing at Florida's pro day.

If we pass on a true coverage safety like that, I will be pissed. The RBs, WRs, and TEs in this draft are mostly second and third tier talent...and not worth taking in the first round unless you want to roll the dice in a bad way.

I agree completely; but we do disagree on Meacham. He's going to be a legit NFL WR. Great hands, size, speed, and is exactly the type of WR that Green Bay needs to compliment Driver and Jennings

Would you take nelson over meacham?

**BallHawk** · 03-24-2007, 11:48 AM

I would take Meachem over Nelson.

**Charles Woodson** · 03-24-2007, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by BallHawk

I would take Meachem over Nelson.

why?

**BallHawk** · 03-24-2007, 11:53 AM

Meachem is just a complete package. Hands, size, speed. Also, and this is more important than most people think, he is an intelligent man with a good head on his shoulders. Nelson possesses great talent, but he doesn't have a lot of brains and that is a concern. However, for the most part, it isn't I think Nelson isn't a good player, it's I think Meachem will be a better player.

**Bretsky** · 03-24-2007, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by Charles Woodson

Originally posted by Bretsky

Originally posted by The Leaper

Any draft with Reggie Nelson out of the top 20 isn't doing their homework. Nelson was a probable top 20 pick coming into the draft campaign, and only helped himself with a fabulous showing at Florida's pro day.

If we pass on a true coverage safety like that, I will be pissed. The RBs, WRs, and TEs in this draft are mostly second and third tier talent...and not worth taking in the first round unless you want to roll the dice in a bad way.

I agree completely; but we do disagree on Meacham. He's going to be a legit NFL WR. Great hands, size, speed, and is exactly the type of WR that Green Bay needs to compliment Driver and Jennings

Would you take nelson over meacham?

Right now I'm not sure I know the answer to that. For me that's a coin toss right now and it's likely TT might be making the same decision on draft day.

I do think Meacham is the #2 WR in this draft though; I'd take him over Ginn.

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