Ted Ginn Jr pro day

[HarveyWallbangers]

Collins might lack instincts (or maybe just experience against top notch competition), but I think he has good ball skills. I saw the light go on the last half of the year. I expect big things (including big plays) from him in year 3.

[ND72]

I've read comments that contradict yours but Collins sure seems to lack instincts and has absolutely no ball skills.

these are 2 clips from 2 draft magazines I have...only the weaknesses, but the stregths don't have anything to do with this...

#1 - Lacks natural footbal instincts. Plays too much centerfield.
#2 - Lacks natural football knowledge, and needs lots of coaching and other leaders on the field to assist him. If asked to man up on a slot or a tight end, he will get beat every time.

they listed some good strengths....but since you mentioned instincts, thought i'd find these.

[ND72]

Collins might lack instincts (or maybe just experience against top notch competition), but I think he has good ball skills. I saw the light go on the last half of the year. I expect big things (including big plays) from him in year 3.

the last 4 games of hte year, I saw the light come on with a lot of our DB's not named Woodson or Harris.

[b bulldog]

This is the situation the team may be in in regards to Jamaal also.

[HarveyWallbangers]

the last 4 games of hte year, I saw the light come on with a lot of our DB's not named Woodson or Harris.

I saw improvement from Nick even before last 4 games. I actually don't think his season was as bad as some think (including me). He just didn't make a lot of big plays. I watched the rebroadcast of the Rams game, and I thought he made some plays. Broke up a pass late in the 4th quarter on the last Rams drive before the Packers got the ball at the end. I think some were expecting big plays, and were disappointed that they didn't come earlier in the year, but I don't think he was the main culprit for the crappy early play. He had a couple of breakdowns, but was solid for the most part. It was Manuel, Carroll, and Poppinga (early) who were the main culprits the first 5-6 games.

[b bulldog]

He seems to be in position pretty much all the time, he just never makes the big pic to really change the flow of the game. He has a disappointing year last seaon imo.

[b bulldog]

Footballs future says he has a nose for the ball, great S but is a bit thin. I'll look for more if you want but I don't know how to paste these comments

[b bulldog]

Scott Wrightsd draft countdown, very instinctive, nose for the ball. My brother is a huge Gators fan and we watched probably four or five games together and my opinion is that he has good instincts but obviously there is a differing opinion. The one red flag I've seen the most is his lack of bulk.

[Sparkey]

Strengths:
Has world-class speed...A phenomenal natural athlete...Is extremely quick with a tremendous burst...A playmaker who is a threat to take it the distance every time he touches the ball...A dangerous weapon on reverses and screens...A terror to cover on vertical routes...Height is adequate...Shows pretty good hands when he focuses...Still has a lot of upside...A premier prospect as a kick and punt returner.

Weaknesses:
Does not have the type of ideal bulk you would prefer...Will struggle to beat the jam, avoids contact and isn't very physical...Needs to get stronger...Still very raw and will need to work on mastering the nuances of the position...He's not a great route runner...Is not overly elusive and makes people miss with his speed rather than moves...Isn't much of a blocker...Has too many drops...Not a true #1 target.

Notes:
Played for his father, Ted Ginn Sr., in the noted Glenville program as a prep and was a highly decorated player coming out of high school...Has been timed at 10.5 seconds in the 100 meter dash...Was a national champion in the 110 high hurdles as a junior and recorded the best time in the nation as a senior...He's certainly a dynamic weapon but the question is whether he will be closer to Steve Smith or Troy Williamson at the next level?...He will at the very least be a top-notch return man in the pros but might ultimately be more of a #2 or #3 option as a receiver.

[b bulldog]

Ive seen Collins drop way too many interceptions to say he has good ball skills. Last year in one of the early games they lost, the QB threw a ball right to him where he could have run 80plus yards for the TD but he dropped it. Collins had no ball skills until the last few games. I think he has great potential but he isn't there yet.

[MJZiggy]

until the last few games.

I think that part is important.

[mraynrand]

Re: Ted Ginn Jr pro day

Ted Ginn ran three forties in the 4.38-4.42 range at his Pro Day Wednesday, according to Scout.com.

Ginn reportedly ran six routes during pass-catching drills and fell on five of them before the workout was called off. We've confirmed that it's been raining in Columbus, but no other explanation for the slips has been given. Ginn had been struggling with a sprained foot.

http://fantasyfootball.usatoday.com/content/player.asp?sport=NFL&id=4168

1 out of 6 routes completed! Impressive

Apparently, Ginn caught the first pass for a TD, celebrated, hurt his foot, and that caused him to fall on the other 5. He was taken off the field on a cart. The QB throwing to him looked like a heisman trophy winner on the first pass, but looked terrible on the other five. Ginn was overheard saying "Even if I screwed it up, we still beat Michigan and that chump Lloyd Carr is still gonna get beat this year!"

[Fritz]

As much as I don't care for Ginn, I will hope like heck I am wrong and ND is right if TT takes him.Maybe he'd be like Chris Chambers, who scouts said was afraid to go over the middle and was a one-trick pony (deep routes).

[b bulldog]

Chambers has been somewhat of a disappointment in Miami.

[b bulldog]

82 catches for 1118 yards is his best season. I know the QB's stunk in Miami last season but he only had 59 catches for 677 yards. I'd hope whoever we draft at the WR position on day one can equal Chambers output so far.