Mocks Are Way Off Base With Thompson's Pick

[Packnut]

Damn near 99% of all the mock drafts have us taking Lynch at 16. I really don't understand why. Are they all that stupid? Have they followed Thompson's mind set at all? I believe it's a high probability that Thompson wanted the ZBS in GB. For the sake of arguement, let's say it was more his idea than MM's. Now if your gonna copy a system from another team that has had success, why would you only do it half way?

Agree or dis-agree, Thompson does'nt do things half way. He stated from the beginning that he does not like free agency and in 3 years, his in-activity has proven this. It also seem's that he's pretty rigid in his beliefs. Nowif you take this all into account, there is no reason to believe he goes RB if Lynch is still there. The Bronco system, has proven you can get a good ZBS RB after the first round. Now it can be argued whether or not it's the RB or the fact that Denver has a knack for getting offensive linemen who play well in their scheme.

Now another thing about Teddy. What he says, he really does believe. He stated that Manuel was not to blame and that a player needs to get comfortable in his new settings. There were upgrades at the saftey spot in FA, and true to form, Thompson did'nt even flinch.

I bring that up to point out another comment from Thompson, and this one is about Bubba. He stated his belief that Franks will rebound this season. Now let's assume, he plans on going RB after rd 1. He knows that he has a young O line for the most part and everyone is still learning the ZBS. Is he really gonna take a TE at 16 who can't block? I think not.

Ok, so if you rule out Lynch and Olsen, what does that leave you? Common sense says WR. For better or worse, Rodgers is Ted's guy and after Brett is gone, which I believe is this season, Thompson will be judged a whole lot on that Rodgers pick. Another point is that Ted seem's to like going against NFL logic at times and most believe Rodgers will fail. Teddy would love to prove the majority wrong, but to do this, he must give his future QB some weapons. Driver is getting to the age where history says a decline is inevitable. Jennings shows promise, but the disappearing act in the 2nd half of the season is cause for concern. After that, the cupboard is bare.

Now the question is which WR? Ginn won't help in the red zone where we suck. Ted can get a pure speed WR later in the draft like the E Carolina guy. I still say Bowe has the edge, He's the best blocker out of all the WR's. He will give the most help in the red zone out of all the guys available. Also add to the fact that there has'nt been one word said by anyone in the Packer organization about Bowe. Last year, Hawk was'nt invited to GB and Teddy scooped him up. Same scenario with Bowe this time. If there is one lesson to be learned by Ted, it's that injuries have just killed us at the WR spot. First Walker and then Murphy. Fergy can't stay healthy to save his life. Driver, with the pounding he takes is due. In GB, ya can't have enough quality WR's..........

[Partial]

I agree with you that they don't take Lynch or Olson. They are unimportant positions that don't need first round addressing unless they have a chance at a stud. They do not, so they will go in a different direction.

I think they could very likely go with Jamal Anderson from Arkansas if he falls, or Joe Staley if he elects to trade down a bit, or whom I think will be the best of the three levi brown.

I don't think TT will look at RB or TE until round 3. I am pretty much locked in they go Eric Weddle in the second.

[pittstang5]

I too agree that most of the Mocks are wrong about who TT is going to take. Lynch and/or Olsen are everybodies choice because it is by far the biggest "need" that the Packers have right now - RB and TE. Along with that, these guys will probably be available when the Pack picks. Makes sense to the common outsider, but not to some Packer fans because we know how TT works.

Although, I agree that a WR is needed. God knows that from the injury history the past couple years. I still think TT is going to go with defense in the first round. Who that will be is anyone's guess. But if you follow TT's history, it'll be the best player available - probably a CB or DE. I really think that if Revis is available at 16, TT will take him.

[MJZiggy]

It will go BPA 1st round, WR 2nd.

[Partial]

It will go BPA 1st round, WR 2nd.

I highly, highly doubt that no offense. They have far bigger needs than wideouts, and I doubt the value is going to be there in the second unless somebody like Sydney Rice falls or something to that effect.

I am really, really thinking they end up with Weddle. He is exactly the type of guy TT has historically taken. I know you like Paul Williams from Fresno but I don't think he'll go that route because he really has only had one adequate year, and three poor years. I've watched quite a bit of Fresno ball and i've gotta say i'm not overly impressed. Also, he missed a lot of playing time this year.

[LL2]

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I am really, really thinking they end up with Weddle. He is exactly the type of guy TT has historically taken.

After all the things I’ve read about this guy he seems like he would be a great draft pick, and is a Packer type. I was thinking how great our defense would be if we got Weddle and Poluzny from Penn St. We could have the best LB group in the NFL and an improve defense that would be in the top 5.

[Partial]

That would be a very solid D LL2, but in that case that they go LB do you want to go with a more instinctive player like Poz or a better athlete and player with more potential in Timmons?

[LL2]

That would be a very solid D LL2, but in that case that they go LB do you want to go with a more instinctive player like Poz or a better athlete and player with more potential in Timmons?

It's a gamble...like rolling the dice...who knows which one will be the better player...I will go with Poz...instincts are important and he looks like a throwback LB like Nitschke.

[Packnut]

D

I can understand the thinking that he'll go D IF that's where the best player available is. But if you use a little bit of Thompson logic here, I still think he goes WR. He just gave Harris an extension right? That means he's locked in to using him for at least 2 seasons. Same goes with Woodson as far as a minimum 2 yr time-line. I can't see drafting a CB at 16 who won't start for at least 2 yrs.

Our D line could be pretty solid and as far as money goes, Thompson has a lot of it used on the d-line. Doubtful he would invest 1st rd money there.

At LB, no way he uses another 1st on that position. IF he wants to replace Popp, he can do it later in the draft.

That leaves saftey. I still believe he's comitted to Manuel for 1 more season. He has Underwood and Culver for plan B. Landry will be gone by 16, so that leaves the Gator left. While not ruling it out and to me it would make sense, it's still a low percentage move. I still just don't see where going D in rd 1 will help his future QB.

That brings us back to WR. Another point is that with all the under-classmen coming out now, WR will be a weak spot in the draft next season. I don't believe there are any big name FA WR's scheduled for next season and even if there is, it's not in Teddy's nature to go after 1. So there is no help at that position on the horizon. Does anyone here really believe that Thompson is gonna rely on an aging DD to be Rodger's go to guy? Jennings should be a solid #2, but it's a stretch right now to say he's a #1. Of course that begs the question of are any of the WR's in the draft #1 material? Ginn and Rice are not. Both would be high risk projects. That leaves the LSU-Tenn duo. I guess only time will tell if either of them become #1 Wr's in the NFL.........

[Cheesehead Craig]

Packnut -
That is a fantastic argument on what you believe TT will do. As much of an enigma as he is to us Packer fans (most of the time), I think you hit the nail on the head. If you are right and he takes Bowe, I'll happily purchase you a beer (or two) if you ever make it to the Twin Cities.

[packers11]

Packnut...

You article makes a lot of sense, and I could see T.T. doing what you say...
BUT... BIG BUT!

There is a side of me that does not want this to come true...

I'd rather have Lynch / Nelson in the first round (two positions we need the most)...

Then get a WR is second / third round...

Hopefully the Moss trade goes through for a third rounder, but if T.T. picks a WR (like you said) at #1...
You can kiss the Moss rumor goodbye... (I'm pro Moss by the way)

Again... Great Points...

[Partial]

I would be perfectly content with Bowe and Weddle in the first two rounds. That is definitely adding two very solid players who can be starters and big time contributors. I think Jennings will operate better out of the slot on third down anyway. Bowe is too big and slow for the slot.

[gureski]

It will go BPA 1st round, WR 2nd.

I absolutely agree that Thompson will take the best player available and I actually think that player will be a defensive player. The DE Anderson is falling and I could easily see Thompson taking him. One of the Safeties is also a valid option. It depends on whether or not Thompson trades down as to what position on defense he goes with. I do know this much.....there will be good RB's and WR's and TE's in the 2nd and 3d rounds. Thompson wont reach on an offensive player in the first round.

[Bossman641]

I completely agree with your logic Packnut. Although I'm a fan of Lynch, I can easily see TT skipping over him to grab a WR or possibly trading down a few spots and grabbing a WR there.

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