Yeah....TT was thinking about Favre.

[Bretsky]

Simmer down, gentlemen. We're all fans of the same team. Don't let that dumb Bearman seperate us.

Yes, it's a long road and if TT brings us a title I'll glorify him like I do Wolf and Holmgren

[MJZiggy]

Simmer down, gentlemen. We're all fans of the same team. Don't let that dumb Bearman seperate us.

Yes, it's a long road and if TT brings us a title I'll glorify him like I do Wolf and Holmgren

But will you get rid of that sig?

[Bretsky]

Simmer down, gentlemen. We're all fans of the same team. Don't let that dumb Bearman seperate us.

Yes, it's a long road and if TT brings us a title I'll glorify him like I do Wolf and Holmgren

But will you get rid of that sig?

Hmmm

Will he have signed a second free agent by 2015 ?

[Kiwon]

Hmmm

Will he have signed a second free agent by 2015 ?

Come on, that's unreasonable. He would have signed four or five by then. It's hard to find those "Packer people" you know.

[woodbuck27]

No Harvey, actually I dont put any stock in what the so-called experts say about who should go where. I honestly do beleive that TT does have a talent for finding.....talent. While I may have gone a little overboard with my sarcastic rant, It is my firm opinion that Harrell is not needed by this team and just about any other pick would have made me and probably a lot of other people happy. I wont go into who was still on the board or who I thought they should have taken, I am simply stating my opinion, sorry.

PackerBlues:

As I read through this thread I must say.

It's interesting to read the posts of those who will defend Ted Thompson by attacking anyone who is annoyed with his ways, means and style of being the Packer GM. People who I expect realize that it's one of those. . .

'what can I do as a Packer fan but wait and see if TT's way pans out or maybe even turns out to be brilliant'.

PackerBlues.

That's a brave post to begin this thread Packer fan.

It's honest and it has integrity.

[PackerBlues]

Thanks WoodBuck, to be honest.....maybe I threw a little to much emotion into that post, but, after all, I have no doubt that I had a WTF look on my face when the pick was announced too.
Yes, I did think that TT might ignore Offense with the first pick..... I actually expected him to go Defense (heh heh...just to spite me, lol). Its just that I thought he would go with a CB for the future.....there was at least one really good one still available. Perhaps a safety, we could use one of those too (understatement). And while some people will say to take the best player available, we simply did not need a DT. (in my humble opinion anyway) TT can pick talent. I have no doubt that Harrell will be at the very least, "better than average". It is what it is now and I will be rooting for the guy just as much as I root for Favre or any other player on the team. Nuff said.

As for the part about TT wanting to put his stamp on the team.......listen, its fairly obvious that TT is without a doubt building a team for the future, AFTER Favre. And yes, it looks like he is hoping to put together a killer Defense for the team of the future. I have no doubt that it will be a very talented team.

Simple fact: TT has sold out on Favre. Its the truth and its plain as day. I understand that this is not Favre's team, I understand that its not all about Favre. But that does not change the fact that TT sold Favre out. This year Favre will more than likely break the majority of Dan Marinos records. Had TT even tried to help Favre out in the least little bit since coming to GB, a few of those records might have already been broken by Favre. He might have retired last year if he had gotten any help at all, but he didnt. I would be perfectly fine with Favre retiring, I would just rather see him go out with a ROAR, rather than a whimper.

Again take a look at the WR's that the Patriots picked up for Brady this off-season. TT must believe that Fergy and Robinson are all that Favre will need. Perhaps that wouldnt be all that bad, but we really dont have a tight end that is worth a $hit any more either do we? Our running game......unproven. But there is one thing we do know about our offense, they could NOT score points last year! What makes anyone honestly think that this year will be any different. I hope I am wrong, I am a natural pessimest, However, a pessimest is nothing more than an optimest with experience.

Thanks again for the kind words WoodBuck.......much better than being called an idiot, lol.

[woodbuck27]

Thanks WoodBuck, to be honest.....maybe I threw a little to much emotion into that post, but, after all, I have no doubt that I had a WTF look on my face when the pick was announced too.

woodbuck27:

A little emotion is OK. TT did nothing for us in the off season except sign players that deserved to remain Packers. Some of us are tired of his 'in your face BS'.


PackerBlues:

Yes, I did think that TT might ignore Offense with the first pick..... I actually expected him to go Defense (heh heh...just to spite me, lol). Its just that I thought he would go with a CB for the future.....there was at least one really good one still available. Perhaps a safety, we could use one of those too (understatement). And while some people will say to take the best player available, we simply did not need a DT. (in my humble opinion anyway) TT can pick talent. I have no doubt that Harrell will be at the very least, "better than average". It is what it is now and I will be rooting for the guy just as much as I root for Favre or any other player on the team. Nuff said.

woodbuck27:

TT's pick at 16 was a shock but again he's consistent in his agenda and that forecast no help for us on 'O'. Still of all the picks why DT?

This guy??? 16 16 Green Bay Harrell, Justin DT 6-4 305 Tennessee

and not a DE ???

17 17 Denver (from Jacksonville) Moss, Jarvis DE 6-6 251 Florida

I really liked this CB as I didn't expect help fr. TT on 'O', but TT said no !

18 18 Cincinnati Hall, Leon CB 5-11 193 Michigan

or this FS:

19 19 Tennessee Griffin, Michael FS 6-0 195 Texas

then this CB was available but not on TT's board I guess:

20 20 N.Y. Giants Ross, Aaron CB 6-1 192 Texas

How many of us at times felt it might be this fella:

21 21 Jacksonville (from Denver) Nelson, Reggie FS 6-0 193 Florida

22 22 Cleveland (from Dallas) Quinn, Brady QB 6-3 226 Notre Dame

or this guy????

23 23 Kansas City Bowe, Dwayne WR 6-2 217 Louisiana State

24 24 New England (from Seattle) Meriweather, Brandon FS 5-11 192 Miami (Fla.)

25 25 Carolina (from N.Y. Jets) Beason, Jon OLB 6-0 236 Miami (Fla.)

26 26 Dallas (from Philadelphia) Spencer, Anthony DE 6-3 266 Purdue

or this guy???

27 27 New Orleans Meachem, Robert WR 6-3 211 Tennessee


PackerBlues:

As for the part about TT wanting to put his stamp on the team.......listen, its fairly obvious that TT is without a doubt building a team for the future, AFTER Favre. And yes, it looks like he is hoping to put together a killer Defense for the team of the future. I have no doubt that it will be a very talented team.

woodbuck27:

I have serious doubt that TT will build a solid contender for the Packers because of just the way he is. I study him carefully and I read alot of negative opinion on him.We see players visit and leave Green Bay with nothing and as Packer fans are left empty.

The players around the league must form an opinion on how pleasant or successful it would be playing for the Packers under Ted Thompson, and I suspect that under TT Green Bay falls short of a desireable destination.

PackerBlues:

Simple fact: TT has sold out on Favre. Its the truth and its plain as day. I understand that this is not Favre's team, I understand that its not all about Favre. But that does not change the fact that TT sold Favre out. This year Favre will more than likely break the majority of Dan Marinos records. Had TT even tried to help Favre out in the least little bit since coming to GB, a few of those records might have already been broken by Favre. He might have retired last year if he had gotten any help at all, but he didnt. I would be perfectly fine with Favre retiring, I would just rather see him go out with a ROAR, rather than a whimper.

woodbuck27:

It's over the top too obvious.

I've always maintained and I'll go one step further. It's just Ted Thompson's job to as carefully as required. Push out Brett Favre.

Getting rid of possibly the greatest Packer in history and still one of the most popular players in the NFL is a delicate and as we're seeing daunting task.

PackerBlues:

Again take a look at the WR's that the Patriots picked up for Brady this off-season. TT must believe that Fergy and Robinson are all that Favre will need. Perhaps that wouldnt be all that bad, but we really dont have a tight end that is worth a $hit any more either do we? Our running game......unproven. But there is one thing we do know about our offense, they could NOT score points last year! What makes anyone honestly think that this year will be any different. I hope I am wrong, I am a natural pessimest, However, a pessimest is nothing more than an optimest with experience.

woodbuck27:

Never sell out on Brett Favre. He will win us games with few weapons.

Ted Thompson is ensuring that each season Favre will be weakened in that respect. Less and then less weapons.

Again.

Perfectly clear and in all our faces. Perfectly intelligent Packer fans for whatever reason choose to ignore the obvious.

Becauser you don't. Never sacrifice your personal integrity to call it as it is.

Respect yourself first. Post honestly and always be ready to back yourself up. You can expect the Ted Thompson people to go at you with rudeness an exclaim your idiocy but some of us realize the TRUTH.

Thanks again for the kind words WoodBuck.......much better than being called an idiot, lol.

Peace Out !!

GO PACKERS !!

[HarveyWallbangers]

Which player did you want him to pick? You can't say any of the next 10 because some will be busts. Some won't. Which guy would you have picked at #16?

[PackerBlues]

"You can't say any of the next 10 because some will be busts. Some won't."

Well Harvey, I dont think I could have said it better myself (actually I could have, but why bother, you have already said it.) Because simply put, Harrell could just as easily be a bust, especially considering his history of injuries, wich is well documented. (How is that for informed?)

As far as your question.....Who would I have picked? Sorry buddy, unlike TT, I dont have a group of people working for me to help me make those decisions. I can however guarantee you that DT would have been the last F*@king thing I would have taken with our first pick!

[HarveyWallbangers]

Nice! Way to back out of that one. TT's people obviously had Harrell at the top. So, you would have went away from taking the top guy on your board for need then? Worked well for Ron Wolf (he said his biggest mistakes were drafting for need--John Michels) and Mike Sherman.

[Lurker64]

I can however guarantee you that DT would have been the last F*@king thing I would have taken with our first pick!

I can't claim to speak for everyone on this board, but I for one would very much prefer a GM who picks the player he expects to have the most impact on the team, no matter what position he happens to play. If all the guys you like at every other position are taken, what are you going to do, draft a guy you don't like?

I was also hoping Thompson would go defense in the first too, in interest of full disclosure.

[PackerBlues]

way to back out of that one? wow. you are looking for a pissing match arent you!
I did say that CB would have been a great choice over DT didnt I? Do we need a CB right now? NO we do not. However, there was a CB that was touted as a starter by the name of Leon Hall, taken with the 18th pick. Thats two picks after us in case you are having trouble with the math there friend.

NFL.com : Revis-Hall ... Hall-Revis. They were the two best cornerbacks in the draft, and after the Jets selected Revis, there wasn't much the Bengals had to think about once their turn came up. Hall should instantly make Cincinnati's defense better. He has superb coverage skills, tremendous instincts, and outstanding toughness to lend strong support against the run.

While we do not need a CB right now, both Harris and Woodson are getting up there in age, Harris i believe is 33, and Woodson 31 or 32 i think. I would have had no problem with taking Hall, as it would have made sense. (Unlike picking an injury prone DT that again......we did not need!)

So many of you claiming that everyone else posting here is foolish, unintelligent, uninformed.......while doing nothing but repeating quotes from people long gone from the Packer organization. Do you have an opinion of your own?

I can tell that reading some of your posts, that your love for TT has blinded you though. Need another example of a guy that we could have used more than a DT? Ok, heres another one.
There is no doubt we need a coverage safety. Do you want to stand up now for the record and tell everyone that we dont? Reggie Nelson was picked 21st by the Jaguars. Let me help you with the math again, thats 5 picks after the Packers.......FIVE!


(Since I dont want to be called uninformed again), from NFL.com This was a no-brainer. The Jaguars traded into this spot knowing they had to have a safety. And they got who I believe is at least the second-best safety in the draft. Nelson is ready to step in as an immediate starter and will improve the Jaguars defense.

There was actually another Saftey taken inbetween by Tennessee with the 19th pick, Michael Griffin.....but his review didnt look to prominsing.

Now, while you may argue that these guys were not the best players available (seems like your only argument), I can just as easily counter your flimsy argument by pointing at Harrell's injury history. Of coarse you would then argue that he was at the top of TT's board........wich must make it the perfect pick right? The only pick that we should have made, right? Just what is it that you are doing when you bow down in front of TT the way that you do?

[HarveyWallbangers]

So, you would have taken Leon Hall with that pick--since Revis was gone? That's all I wanted to know. Too old to be looking for a pissing match. Trying to have a discussion here. I understand that you are pissed at Ted Thompson, but try to have some understanding for the optimistic realists here. We're shrinking in numbers by the day. Then again, I'd say most of the same people who are pissed now, thought we would be 4-12 with no hope for the future after the 2006 season--at this point last year. Not trying to lump you in with that group, but we see a lot of them around here.

[HarveyWallbangers]

You have a good friend from Richland Center, so I probably know you.

[PackerBlues]

Sorry Harvey......I do tend to get bent out of shape fairly easily.