Do or die year for TT

[Joemailman]

Things would have to get pretty bad for TT to get the ax, and I think he's put together a very good defense, so It's not likely to happen. He will get at least 1 year post-Favre. TT has stuck his neck out with the drafting of Rodgers, and the hiring of McCarthy. The level of success of those 2 guys will likely determine TT's future.

[Lurker64]

I do think that this is a key year for Thompson in the following sense. There's no pressure from management on Thompson now, but this is the year that determines if there will be. If the Packers regress to 4-12 and look bad this year, there will be pressure on Ted Thompson to turn around the team NOW. If the Packers improve from last year, or even tread water considering that this year's schedule is a lot harder than last year's, then the first 3 years of the TT administration will get a pass.

But now Ted basically gets to do his job without pressure from his bosses, because they trust him. If he doesn't repay that trust this year, he might have a few more folks looking over his shoulder. Then again, he did do more last year than anybody expected him to, so that has to count for something.

[RashanGary]

He took over the worste situtation possible. Aging talent and bad contracts.

You're better off starting from scratch than starting as it falls. Like Lurker said, they just have to do better than 6-10. If they completely flop, I don't think there is endless support.

[Lurker64]

McGinn in his JSO chat did make an important point. Both Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson came into a situation where they inherited very little. Wolf got a decade to build a superbowl team, why are we expecting Thompson to turn the team around in three years?

If the team regresses this year, Thompson gets a shorter leash maybe, but he doesn't get fired. He's new at GMing and he's still above average, after all.

[Packnut]

TT

Iknow we weren't an 8-8 team, but to the organization they were 8-8...good luck telling any of those guys "eh, you weren't really an 8-8 team"...pretty sure you'd be dead.

and who did you want Ted to go out and sign and kill any money we have for nothing? signing any free agents this offseason would have been as dumb as this topic.

You just don't get it and I really don't think you ever will. Did you ever stop to think that a great majority of fans are not content with 8-8 seasons and not making ANY attempt to fix known problems? May-be 5 and 6 years of sucking don't matter to you, but they matter to a lot of us. Players get paid to produce, if they don't they are shown the door. It should be no different for Teddy. Up until now, he has not produced shit. Yes that may change. He may turn out to be the genious you claim.

Last season all I read from you and the others was how to give TT a chance and that as long as the team shows improvment, we'll be all right. Well we were 8-8 and now your saying expect 6-10 and that's ok? Screw the freaking schedule and all the BS excuses. If Teddy is right and those of us who question him are so wrong, then this team should improve from season to season. Going 6-10 may be acceptable to you, but it's not to the majority of fans.

Last point, we suck in the red zone. We have for 3 straight seasons. This is not a national secret. I believe 3 years should be enough to fix a damn weakness. He has done NOTHING to fix it. I don't want hope and may-be. If we suck in the red zone again, then Teddy has to be held accountable.

Just because YOU say there was'nt any worth-while FA's does'nt make it so cause there were. Eric Johnson had 1 helluva year a few seasons back. He's better than Bubba and was signed for 2 mill for 1 season. No risk at all. Now, my memory is faulty at times but did'nt you and a few others here tell me you can't risk signing an injury guy? Yet now when the story fits, it's ok. TT just signed a guy who is just as injury prone as Johnson. I'm not debating his talent. He may be Gilbert Brown x 10, but the point is he had 1 good year and has a history of being injured.

Look, it's great we see things differently. It would be a boring world if we all agreed. Hell, I have no problem saying that I might turn out wrong and Teddy is a genious. I don't believe it but I know it's possible, but you and the the other Thompson backers believe your word is final. Bulldog had every right to start this thread. He brings up good points and no one has the right to insinuate that's he stupid for bringing it up.

[Packnut]

Excuse

He took over the worste situtation possible. Aging talent and bad contracts.

You're better off starting from scratch than starting as it falls. Like Lurker said, they just have to do better than 6-10. If they completely flop, I don't think there is endless support.

Sooner or later the "Sherman card" you guys keep playing is gonna wear out. Sherman did'nt trade away our best WR for a 2 rd pick.

[RashanGary]

I think Thompson needs to show signs this year packnut. I think the defense needs to be very good. If they are no better than last year then I have problems.

I think 7-9 is the mark of progress with this schedule. I think they need to meet that or the ?? will start to rise.

[b bulldog]

Didn't Wolf arrive late 92 season and he took the Pack to the Suoer Bowl in the 96 season. One thing Ron had was a young HOF'er at QB but hye stuck his neck out to get that QB,i don't know if TT would do that. I am not saying he needs to go but with the fan base not real happy with TT and if we have a down year followed by another sub par year in 08, he will be gone imo. Joe you made an interesting point about the one year post Favre, I agree with you and I think that year will be next year.

[MJZiggy]

Eric Johnson had 1 helluva year a few seasons back. He's better than Bubba and was signed for 2 mill for 1 season.

Not to be nitpicky or anything, but might this have been one of the seasons when Bubba had a helluva year? Bubba stunk up the red zone last year, but before that he was impressive. Why is Johnson worthy for years-old production when Bubba isn't?

[b bulldog]

Nick I agree that a legit 7-9 is better than this past seasons 8-8.

[BallHawk]

Re: Do or die year for TT

Bulldog.....

If TT is fired after next year I will go to a forest, shoot down a crow, bake into a pie, video myself eating that pie, and post that video on YouTube.

[b bulldog]

It was just a question, I actually think his rope is long enough to get him through the 08 season if we underperform. The Browns deal that was offered really upsets me. If we go 7-9 next season and if we made the deal with the Browns, we could have had two picks in the top 14 and with our second rounder, we may have been still able to get Harrell although Denver,Chicago,Indy and the Chiefs liked him.

[RashanGary]

That bothers me a little too bulldog. He said he would never really do that because he doesnt' knwo how to rate the value.

I expect him to get together with his mathmaticians, scouts and closest confidants and get that thing ironed out. You can get some good value by taking future things away from desperate teams.

[Bretsky]

First off there is no need to call a topic/poster..etc...idiotic or stupid. Lets please be respectful whether we agree or disagree

I've also heard this topic on the Packer flagship station being debated. TT kind of got a free pass in year one by most fans; in year two he's shown improvement, but there are some red flags with that 8-8 record because of the end of the season powder puffs.

He's had two drafts in a row with double digit potential draft additions. After another bad showing of red zone offense, he still went against some of the glaring needs and chose a position that was showing a lot of strength at the end of last year.

I don't think this year is do or die, but those that are judging him should be carefully watching how this turned out.


Cheers,
B

[bbbffl66]

Iknow we weren't an 8-8 team, but to the organization they were 8-8...good luck telling any of those guys "eh, you weren't really an 8-8 team"...pretty sure you'd be dead.

and who did you want Ted to go out and sign and kill any money we have for nothing? signing any free agents this offseason would have been as dumb as this topic.

But wasting the cap space provided is equally as dumb.