WOW! Bust out your hip waders!!!!!

[Charles Woodson]

Is there anybody worth signing? Was there ever? Face it, it's a bad free a

We can agree about a bad f.a. class but there were some good people. I would have taken the FB Griffith, T.E. Eric Johnson, Saftey-Deion Grant or even Ken hamlin.

[MJZiggy]

IIRC Hamlin sat for a long time before getting signed. Anyone know why?

[RashanGary]

I think this team is a lot better mostly because we acctually had a good draft last year, something we haven't had becasue a dreadfull GM was here for 4 years and Thompson had a rough first swing.

People forget that some teams, teams taht acctually draft well, do get better from within. WE're used to our picks flopping with the exception of what? 6 guys who are half way decent in 4 years?

I understadn that people assume taht we won't get better from within but I think most of that is because during the last 5 years, that is all we've known.

I'm very excited about the defense and I think the better pass pro and better run blocking is going be be all the difference. Not because we did all these big things but becasue we have good, promising youth. Guys who love football and showed promise last year, guys like Hawk, Jennings, Colledge, Spitz, Moll and even Jolly or Blackmon.

We didn't lose any cap casualties except for an over 30 RB who is 3 years past being special. We replaced old legs with young legs. We're in good shape guys. Don't let these guys get you down, they can't help that they remember Shermans bad drafts never progressing and project that on the next guy.

[Scott Campbell]

Ted is bad.
Ted is evil.
Ted's related to this guy:

[Bretsky]

I think this team is a lot better mostly because we acctually had a good draft last year, something we haven't had becasue a dreadfull GM was here for 4 years and Thompson had a rough first swing.

People forget that some teams, teams taht acctually draft well, do get better from within. WE're used to our picks flopping with the exception of what? 6 guys who are half way decent in 4 years?

I understadn that people assume taht we won't get better from within but I think most of that is because during the last 5 years, that is all we've known.

I'm very excited about the defense and I think the better pass pro and better run blocking is going be be all the difference. Not because we did all these big things but becasue we have good, promising youth. Guys who love football and showed promise last year, guys like Hawk, Jennings, Colledge, Spitz, Moll and even Jolly or Blackmon.

We didn't lose any cap casualties except for an over 30 RB who is 3 years past being special. We replaced old legs with young legs. We're in good shape guys. Don't let these guys get you down, they can't help that they remember Shermans bad drafts never progressing and project that on the next guy.

Funny call with the name change

I thought you were going to go out on a limb with the name change and your unwavering support of the Snapper and change your name to our new 3rd round draft choice WR that several of us did not like.

Cheers,
B

[HarveyWallbangers]

Actually, he should change it to BrandonJackson.

He had 2005 2nd round pick Nick Collins originally.
Then, 2006 2nd round pick Greg Jennings.
He should stay with the 2nd round picks.

[b bulldog]

i thought that was his m.o. also, the second rounders.

[BallHawk]

Change it back Greg, you're screwing with the Football Gods.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Change it to the kickers name.

[BooHoo]

I think I liked you better as Nick.

[MasonCrosby]

maybe i'll take the kickers name...

[mraynrand]

I think this team is a lot better mostly because we acctually had a good draft last year, something we haven't had becasue a dreadfull GM was here for 4 years and Thompson had a rough first swing.

People forget that some teams, teams taht acctually draft well, do get better from within.
Don't let these guys get you down, they can't help that they remember Shermans bad drafts never progressing and project that on the next guy.

I can't figure out whether guys like you are ignorant or whether you willfully ignore facts that contradict your overeaching blanket proclamations. Sherman was Coach/GM for three (not four) years 2002-2005.

What do you think was the biggest factor in last years draft 'success' (assuming many of the players will be very good as opposed to just so-so like last year - Hawk was OK, Jennings was hurt, the O-linemen were just adequate (Colledge, Spitz) or marginal (Moll))? I'll tell you - It was the Fact that the Packers had the #5 pick and the #5 position in every round - and they had an extra #2 from trading Walker. High round picks allow you to trade down and keep a decent draft position in the round in which you traded down. Sherman never had a pick above #20 - he had to trade a #2 to move up to get Walker.

About Sherman's drafts/trades - One was excellent (2002), one was so-so (2003) and one was dismal (2004). That's the truth. 2002 yeiled 2 pro-bowlers, solid backups; trading for Glenn solidified the WR postion for most of one year, until injury.

I honestly don't care that you didn't like Sherman - the guy had some major problems (good coach, so-so GM), but try to mix a little reality in with your proclamations.

[Merlin]

I don't agree with you that somehow TT is so proud that he would undermine Favre in order to get rid of him, so he can then get playmakers for Rodgers since Rodgers is his guy. I'm sorry, Merlin, but I just don't buy that TT is that full of himself that he'd be willing to risk his job in order to get Favre to leave so Green Bay will become Ted's team. That just seems pretty far out there.

But of course you are entitled to your opinion. That's why we're here - to share them.

It seems some others share the same opinions as I. With that said, I know Keyshawn Johnson just got cut. I am sure we could go get him pretty cheap for a one year deal. He would be some insurance in case K-Rob didn't come back or at the very least veteran depth until he came back. With DD, Jennings, Johnson and K-Rob, that would give Favre some proven targets to throw to and also give defenses fits in a 3-4 WR package. Alas, this will not be either. We need Favre to groom another receiver for Rodgers out of the rookies we have and the ones we drafted...

[PackerBlues]

Hey mraynrand, I couldnt agree with you more. Things were up and down during Shermans Tenure, but injury was the number one reason for it. Anyone that wants to argue about this, I will help you, here are 3 links that will give you all the info you need. Check em out and throw out your stats. This should be interesting.



Here is the Packers History, read up on Shermans tenure. (a lot of good history on wolf here too, pretty kewl)

http://www.packers.com/history/birth_of_a_team_and_a_legend/#chapter13

Here is a link for every Packer draft from 1982-this years draft.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/teams/GB

This one shows the current team and how it was built. 7 guys still on the roster from the Ron Wolf era. 9 guys still on the roster from the Sherman era. (I am thinking his better picks and FA pick ups were sent packing by Teddy.) The rest of the team is made up of Ted's draft picks and free agent pick ups.

Suprisingly, this also points out that I can no longer say that TT hates free agents............not that i would recognise the names of more than maybe 4 or 5 of em, lol.

http://www.packers.com/team/how_built/

Knock yourselves out, I expect a slugfest!

(p.s. I find it interesting that they didnt update the team history past the point where Mike McCarthy was hired as head coach. not knocking McCarthy, I just wonder if they are having a hard time putting our recent history into words, lol)

[Patler]

I always thought Sherman was a good coach, because of his record. However, after reflecting on this, I'm not sure any longer.

In 2005 Sherman rigidly stuck to the offensive scheme that had worked for him in the past, even though he had inexperienced running backs, inexperienced receivers and instability in the offensive line. He never changed during the season, and ran the same tired old plays and formations that had worked for him since 2000. He asked the guards to be Wahle and Rivera, and they weren't capable of doing that.

Last year McCarthy adapted. He did not run the offense he had hoped to. He had inexperienced receivers, just as Sherman had the year before. He had rookie inexperienced guards, just as Sherman did. He had injuries in the O-line (unlike Sherman), lost Tauscher for a good part of the year and had to start 3 rookies. Greene missed a couple games, Morrency missed games. He had a rookie punter and an inexperienced placekicker. However, he adapted, he found ways to get production and to compensate. He did not expect the young players to do what they were not yet capable of doing. He gave them help.

The result, Sherman was 4-12 in 2005, and McCarthy was 8-8 in 2006.

One year is too short of a time to evaluate a coach, but I am hopeful that McCarthy will be good. My concern is that in the blowout losses he didn't seem to have an "answer" in the second half to improve the situation.