Favre criticizes Packers' failed attempt at trading for Moss

[mraynrand]

I lied.

[Bretsky]

Get off the draft pick! Even Favre said that wasn't the issue!

It was MONEY!

Moss was holding you, Favre and the Packers up, using you as a stalking horse and you refuse to see. Instead we become incapacitated by self-recriminations?

If Randy really wanted to come here, why weren't the Packers given a chance to match the offer?

Because they wouldn't guarantee the money.

I also agree with wist; I found it hard to understand that TT would be serious about Moss, but he appeared to be. If he got outbid via a draft pick that does not surprise me one bit.

If it was truly about money and Favre offered to help the turtle out then I like TT even less.

TT could have made this deal happen a long time before the draft.

[Bretsky]

Get off the draft pick! Even Favre said that wasn't the issue!

It was MONEY!

Moss was holding you, Favre and the Packers up, using you as a stalking horse and you refuse to see. Instead we become incapacitated by self-recriminations?

If Randy really wanted to come here, why weren't the Packers given a chance to match the offer?

Because they wouldn't guarantee the money.

I also agree with wist; I found it hard to understand that TT would be serious about Moss, but he appeared to be. If he got outbid via a draft pick that does not surprise me one bit.

It would be reasonable to figure Al Davis had discussions with the Snapper many many times in trying to get a higher draft pick out of him.

And again, you might be right.

Favre might have offered to use his salary to guarantee the Moss deal, and the Snapper may have declined

[Bretsky]

I won't pretend this isn't material in the self-interest of the Packers, but this comment should get its own thread:

Per the source, the Packers sniffed out during trade talks that Moss preferred the Patriots over the Packers, and that the Packers' interest (driven by Favre) was being used as leverage against the Patriots. As we've previously mentioned (at least twice), DiPiero made it clear on the official Randy Moss web site that the Pats were the first choice.

Packers were being used and so was Favre.

Randy is thanking everyone for his new contract.

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A league source with knowledge of the Green Bay Packers front office tells us that the powers-that-be are not happy with agent Bus Cook, who by all appearances is attempting to force an irreparable rift between his client, Brett Favre, and the team....

Per the source, the Packers sniffed out during trade talks that Moss preferred the Patriots over the Packers, and that the Packers' interest (driven by Favre) was being used as leverage against the Patriots. As we've previously mentioned (at least twice), DiPiero made it clear on the official Randy Moss web site that the Pats were the first choice....

And the likelihood of Brett wearing green and gold come September gets smaller and smaller.

Maybe GB was used again.

A bold move would have been to make this deal happen far before the draft instead of playing the waiting game.

[Bretsky]

I'd like to know what TT told Favre before he said he would play in 07.

Did he make him promises like say he would get moss? Or maybe just that he would make some big moves on offense?

Cuz if he did.... then I dont hold Favre's anger against him. We will never find out but the way this is playing out is telling me that someone got lied to. Who did the lying is the question.

Prolly the same political rhetoric he blabs every time he talks with the media

[Bretsky]

Everyone better buckle up. Because conventional wisdom will now undergo a seismic shift from "Thompson cares too much about the draft picks" and "he doesn't sign enough Free Agents" to the new complaint:

"He's too cheap to win."

Imagine that, Thompson offered exactly what would have gotten the deal done. He wasn't outbid, he didn't overpay.

But Saint Randy, the guy who recently has been unable to complete a season healthy, wanted the Packers to guarantee the contract.

I never had too much of a problem with Moss professionally, except the charges of quitting on the team. But now I like him quite a bit less.

Its like an ugly girl(or guy) causing a fight between good friends. Is it worth the price?

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...In fact, an industry source tells us that the Raiders would have taken a fifth-round pick from the Packers in lieu of a fourth-rounder from the Patriots, because Oakland did not want to send him to another AFC team...

WHAT SHIFT ?

Many have been saying TT is a tight penny pincher for years now. Why would Moss have to bring this out ?

[Rastak]

I won't pretend this isn't material in the self-interest of the Packers, but this comment should get its own thread:

Per the source, the Packers sniffed out during trade talks that Moss preferred the Patriots over the Packers, and that the Packers' interest (driven by Favre) was being used as leverage against the Patriots. As we've previously mentioned (at least twice), DiPiero made it clear on the official Randy Moss web site that the Pats were the first choice.

Packers were being used and so was Favre.

Randy is thanking everyone for his new contract.

the latest from PFT.com



PACKERS BLAME BUS FOR FAVRE FIASCO

A league source with knowledge of the Green Bay Packers front office tells us that the powers-that-be are not happy with agent Bus Cook, who by all appearances is attempting to force an irreparable rift between his client, Brett Favre, and the team....

Per the source, the Packers sniffed out during trade talks that Moss preferred the Patriots over the Packers, and that the Packers' interest (driven by Favre) was being used as leverage against the Patriots. As we've previously mentioned (at least twice), DiPiero made it clear on the official Randy Moss web site that the Pats were the first choice....

And the likelihood of Brett wearing green and gold come September gets smaller and smaller.

Maybe GB was used again.

A bold move would have been to make this deal happen far before the draft instead of playing the waiting game.

I agree Bretsky, if you really want something to happen you MAKE it happen. Up the ante, give a deadline. Say you get a third if you say OK right NOW. You can't lay back.

[Bretsky]

I won't pretend this isn't material in the self-interest of the Packers, but this comment should get its own thread:

Per the source, the Packers sniffed out during trade talks that Moss preferred the Patriots over the Packers, and that the Packers' interest (driven by Favre) was being used as leverage against the Patriots. As we've previously mentioned (at least twice), DiPiero made it clear on the official Randy Moss web site that the Pats were the first choice.

Packers were being used and so was Favre.

Randy is thanking everyone for his new contract.

the latest from PFT.com



PACKERS BLAME BUS FOR FAVRE FIASCO

A league source with knowledge of the Green Bay Packers front office tells us that the powers-that-be are not happy with agent Bus Cook, who by all appearances is attempting to force an irreparable rift between his client, Brett Favre, and the team....

Per the source, the Packers sniffed out during trade talks that Moss preferred the Patriots over the Packers, and that the Packers' interest (driven by Favre) was being used as leverage against the Patriots. As we've previously mentioned (at least twice), DiPiero made it clear on the official Randy Moss web site that the Pats were the first choice....

And the likelihood of Brett wearing green and gold come September gets smaller and smaller.

Maybe GB was used again.

A bold move would have been to make this deal happen far before the draft instead of playing the waiting game.

I agree Bretsky, if you really want something to happen you MAKE it happen. Up the ante, give a deadline. Say you get a third if you say OK right NOW. You can't lay back.

F'ck ya

GET ER DONE

Make it happen

But it requires stones

[Scott Campbell]

F'ck ya

GET ER DONE

Make it happen

But it requires stones

Nobody remembers Dan Devine's set of "stones" for trading for John Hadl. That was a bold move. He sure GOT ER DONE.

[Bretsky]

F'ck ya

GET ER DONE

Make it happen

But it requires stones

Nobody remembers Dan Devine's set of "stones" for trading for John Hadl. That was a bold move. He sure GOT ER DONE.

So did Ron Wolf

Brett Favre
Keith Jackson
Reggie White
Santana Dotson
Eugene Robinson

That took stones.

[Scott Campbell]

F'ck ya

GET ER DONE

Make it happen

But it requires stones

Nobody remembers Dan Devine's set of "stones" for trading for John Hadl. That was a bold move. He sure GOT ER DONE.

So did Ron Wolf

Brett Favre
Keith Jackson
Reggie White
Santana Dotson
Eugene Robinson

That took stones.

It takes stones to walk away from bad deals when the fan pressure is intense to get somebody - anybody.

It takes smarts to cut good deals - not balls.

[Bretsky]

F'ck ya

GET ER DONE

Make it happen

But it requires stones

Nobody remembers Dan Devine's set of "stones" for trading for John Hadl. That was a bold move. He sure GOT ER DONE.

So did Ron Wolf

Brett Favre
Keith Jackson
Reggie White
Santana Dotson
Eugene Robinson

That took stones.

It takes stones to walk away from bad deals when the fan pressure is intense to get somebody - anybody.

It takes smarts to cut good deals - not balls.

Well, it does take stones to give up draft picks as GM's value youth more then not, especially with today's rules. GM's value these draft picks higher than ever with today's cap rules.

But I'm fine with stones and smarts.

Wolf had both; time will tell if TT does.

[Patler]

F'ck ya

GET ER DONE

Make it happen

But it requires stones

Nobody remembers Dan Devine's set of "stones" for trading for John Hadl. That was a bold move. He sure GOT ER DONE.

So did Ron Wolf

Brett Favre
Keith Jackson
Reggie White
Santana Dotson
Eugene Robinson

That took stones.

Of course free agency is a tool. But there are two sides to it, retaining your own and signing others..

Many of you continually list the FAs Wolf signed, but you ignore the ones he lost. He let Por-Bowlers get away by not re-signing them. He let a future Defensive Player of the Year get away. He let players get away that many thought deserved to be pro-bowlers. The list of players lost includes:

Chuck Cecil
Bryce Paup
Aaron Taylor
Adam Timmerman
Desmond Howard
Craig Hentrich
Tony Bennett
Eugene Robinson
Doug Evans
Travis Jervey

All of the above, except Robinson, were younger players just coming into their prime.

He also lost capable starters like Verba, Robbins and others.

Other than Wahle, the ones that TT has let get away are older players with their best days behind them, and players who don't matter much. Walker was traded for compensation.

Maybe if Wolf had been better at retaining his own players, Favre's years in the late 1990s and ealy 2000s would not have been "wasted" on teams that were not good enough to get back to the Super Bowl.

In evaluating any GM in free agency, we should look not only at who they sign, but also who they lose.

[GrnBay007]

I'd like to know what TT told Favre before he said he would play in 07.

Did he make him promises like say he would get moss? Or maybe just that he would make some big moves on offense?

Cuz if he did.... then I dont hold Favre's anger against him. We will never find out but the way this is playing out is telling me that someone got lied to. Who did the lying is the question.

I agree. This is something we will never know...but something prompted that outburst by Favre...that's not his style. I think I'm in the very minority group here not upset with Favre saying what he did. Maybe it had to be said and once the dust settles it will all be worth it.

[PackerBlues]

I'd like to know what TT told Favre before he said he would play in 07.

Did he make him promises like say he would get moss? Or maybe just that he would make some big moves on offense?

Cuz if he did.... then I dont hold Favre's anger against him. We will never find out but the way this is playing out is telling me that someone got lied to. Who did the lying is the question.

I agree. This is something we will never know...but something prompted that outburst by Favre...that's not his style. I think I'm in the very minority group here not upset with Favre saying what he did. Maybe it had to be said and once the dust settles it will all be worth it.

Sometimes a slap in the face is the best way to get your point across to someone.