Favre or No Favre? Ted Thompson or No Ted Thompson?

[Scott Campbell]

Come on Scott, he was at his annual fundraising golf event. We didn't hear the question he was asked, now did we?

He publically threw his GM under the bus. And you're suggesting that we give him a pass because of the way the question may, or may not have been asked by the reporter? You blame the press????

[packinpatland]

Yup.


Favre was just stating the facts. Are they disputable?

[Scott Campbell]

Yup.


Favre was just stating the facts. Are they disputable?

If a husband announces at a Mother's Day party that his wife is now tipping the scales at over 300lbs., he could be factually correct. I wonder if having the facts straight will save him from her death stare.

This is purely about tact and business/league etiquette.

But nice try at changing the criteria.

[packinpatland]

Your analogy was very good, actally very good.

[MadtownPacker]

He publically threw his GM under the bus. And you're suggesting that we give him a pass because of the way the question may, or may not have been asked by the reporter? You blame the press????

Him throwing TT under the bus means little to me. If you vatos are gonna point out how Favre is not bigger then the team then the same needs to apply to TT.

I am still on Thompson's bandwagon so I hope this all blows over soon.

Can we all just blame moss?

[Scott Campbell]

Him throwing TT under the bus means little to me.

How did we all react to Peyton Manning throwing his O-Line under the bus after their playoff loss to Pittsburgh 2 years ago?

How would you react if Ted held a press conference saying "how dissapointed he was that we didn't score there" after Brett threw an interception on first and goal in a crucial portion of a game?

You don't publically throw your teammates under the bus. That standard shoud apply to Ted, Brett and anyone else who is a part of a team anywhere.

[retailguy]

Can we all just blame moss?

Nope. Sorry. Moss did what he had to do to get his deal, and THEN, clammed up, EXACTLY as he should have done.

Sorry, this one is on Favre, for complaining, and Thompson for "sitting on his hands". Again, I reiterate, I'm glad he did sit on his hands, I did not want Moss on this team, but the media firestorm is a result of those two, not Moss.

Favre was at his GOLF TOURNAMENT. He could have refused comment on FOOTBALL issues, but didn't. He's responsible for that. He could have diffused his "annual retirement talk" in 2001 by committing to "X" number of seasons if he was healthy, but didn't. He's responsible for that.

Ted Thompson has a responsibility to rebuild this roster as he sees fit. However, he ALSO has a responsibility to figure out what players to put on the field to be as competitive as he can, and to win as many games as he can NOW. Considering that this a publicly owned team, he also OWES concise and accurate explanations to the fans, many of whom own stock in the team. By many accounts and beliefs (including mine, and i AM a stockholder) this has not happened.

Thompson and his "veil of secrecy" creates the firestorm as well. Whether he has an ego, or not, is largely unproven, but I have to say it is reasonable to think he's got one. It's also pretty damn clear he believes in his plan, and many here don't, including to an extent Brett Favre.

I haven't weighed in very much over the past few days, but have enjoyed reading all the opinions. If I had more time, I'd post comments from two weeks ago, and then comments from the past few days on a few staunch Ted Thompson supporters... It would be HILARIOUS to see all the flip-flopping going on. For heavens sake, get some consistency.... :P

That all being said, Ted has crafted a position where his team better win, and better overachieve. If it doesn't win, he's in trouble, and my guess, is McCarthy is the fall guy. Remember he only signed a three year deal... This is year 2... He'll be a lame duck next year without a new deal. You think he'll get one if the Pack turns out to be 3-13? Nope. Not a chance.

[Merlin]

Merlin I agree with most of your post, but this line:

His retirement talk I believe was fueled by the media.

ignores the fact that HE started it all. He gave an interview to SI/Silver in 2001 and again to King in preseason before the start of the next season.

This was not an issue because of the media flogging it (it was overcovered, certainly), it was an issue because he brought it up in the first place and then kept commenting.

Every player talks about retirement at some point. Favre's turned into a circus by the media, not by Favre.

[Merlin]

"Do I blame Favre for wanting to be traded? No, not at all. In fact I think it lends a lot of creditability to what I have speculated all along, Thompson doesn't want Favre."

I thought someone might say this. But if Thompson really didn't want Favre around, wouldn't he have jumped on this and traded Favre, claiming he wanted to honor the future Hall of Famer's wishes? It would be the perfect scenario for all you conspiracy theorists - TT gets his secret desire to be rid of Favre while pretending he didn't really want to do it, but only did so out of respect for the great QB. But TT didn't do that.

So Merlin, in my estimation the opposite of what you say is true. This whole flap actually undermines the claim of those who somehow think that what's behind all this is TT's fervent desire to get rid of Brett Favre.

No, it isn't the opposite. Thompson doesn't want to be the "guy who ran Favre out of town". He wants Favre to leave on his own. The problem? TT has been exposed.

[Merlin]

I don't want TT to act "impulsively"...

I want him to move deftly and intelligently into positions to get top flight players at positions need.

Is Meachem a pro bowl calibur WR??? I don't know, but I can guarentee you that one of the receivers out of the 1st couple of rounds will be of that calibur. It's TT's job to find that guy... It fills a major need, and gives value for the pick.

Is Lynch a pro bowl calibur RB??? I don't know, but if he's rated high enough to where most teams had him going #12 to Buffalo, then TT certainly should have considered moving up to #11... it fills a major need, and gives value for the pick.

TT is so rigid, that I don't ever see him moving up or down to fill needs... he's strictly a BPA, regardless of position. 6 quality DT's isn't going to score you any more TD's than 5 quality DT's will; but, I'm pretty sure they'll score fewer TD's than Meachem or Lynch.

BPA? Explain Harrell over Quinn. Explain Aaron Rodgers.

Enough said about BPA.

[Scott Campbell]

BPA? Explain Harrell over Quinn. Explain Aaron Rodgers.

The explanation is pretty simple. Ted wasn't using your draft borad.

[Scott Campbell]

Every player talks about retirement at some point.

The key phrase there is "at some point". 6 long years is not equal to "at some point". It feels like he's been talking about his damned retirement since he was in 3rd grade. Christ, I don't think MASH ran on this long.

[Merlin]

Nice to see you have no concept of BPA. My draft board? Try again. I don't have a "draft board". I personally don't care what he does after the first round. But to say that he drafts "BPA" is pure and total bullshit. San Fransisco already took a pass on Rodgers. So did what? 22 other teams? Nick Collins and Terrance Murphy would have been BPA ahead of Rodgers. That is if you use the BPA logic. Drafting a QB from a QB friendly offense, especially a Tedford QB into the WCO is a horrible decision. Taking Harrell, AN INJURED PLAYER, is not taking the BPA. Not when Quinn is on the board.

If TT used BPA, then Quinn would have been in Green and Gold for at least a bit and Rodgers would be starting for the Chicago Bears.

[wist43]

I don't want TT to act "impulsively"...

I want him to move deftly and intelligently into positions to get top flight players at positions need.

Is Meachem a pro bowl calibur WR??? I don't know, but I can guarentee you that one of the receivers out of the 1st couple of rounds will be of that calibur. It's TT's job to find that guy... It fills a major need, and gives value for the pick.

Is Lynch a pro bowl calibur RB??? I don't know, but if he's rated high enough to where most teams had him going #12 to Buffalo, then TT certainly should have considered moving up to #11... it fills a major need, and gives value for the pick.

TT is so rigid, that I don't ever see him moving up or down to fill needs... he's strictly a BPA, regardless of position. 6 quality DT's isn't going to score you any more TD's than 5 quality DT's will; but, I'm pretty sure they'll score fewer TD's than Meachem or Lynch.

BPA? Explain Harrell over Quinn. Explain Aaron Rodgers.

Enough said about BPA.

It's BPA according to TT...

Harrell, if he stays healthy (big IF) will be a good player; but, I also think he serves as an example of why TT will likely never be able to build a true contender, i.e. he doesn't care one wit about filling needs.

It isn't necessarily Quinn vs Harrell; it could just as easily be Harrell vs Meachem, or Harrell vs Lynch, or Bowe, or one of the Corners...

What makes Harrell the quintessential pick is that we had absolutely no need there... the pick really does nothing to improve the team in the short term - which if fine with TT.

It could be several more years b/4 we actually get a 1st round draft pick that matches up with a need... wouldn't that be a shocker????

[Merlin]

I know where you are coming from Wist. It would be a stretch to actually draft someone who can help the offense right now. That would be asking too much. Where is Taco Wallace when you need him?