Favre: "I never wanted to be traded."

[Merlin]

It's good to have everything back to normal. The drama queen steps out, remembers he's important and then backtracks.



RG, after seeing this crap that Favre pulled, I can't help but have even more understanding for what Sherman tried to do. Favre has been subtly threatening the organization for a number of years and it began as soon as Sherm took over as GM. If I was Ted, I think I would have broke and just doen what Favre wanted. I don't think my convictions on running a team are nearly as strong as Thompsons though. If I was a part of building teams for 15 years and I knew what I wanted to do; I might say differently but damn, Thompson easily could have done just what Sherman did, failed and then been fired for trying.

I don't see it as Favre threatening the organization. Not in the least bit. In 2004, the Packers finished the season with a terrible playoff loss. Favre had questions about his ability to lead the team at that point. So he took some time to think about the future and if he still had it. In 2005 we suffered devastating injuries, the worst season since the Favre era, coaching changes, offensive changes, etc. Just about everything you could think of went wrong in 2005, again, Favre contemplated retirement. Who wouldn't have? Then you have 2006 where the Packers, although an 8-8 team, offensively were offensive. So Favre takes a look at the situation and decides that he still has it. Now he says that he is frustrated with management because their inability to bring in anyone on offense accept draft picks. I would say he has been frustrated with TT since day one.

What has TT really done? To say he is "rebuilding" is a damn joke. You do not rebuild anymore in the NFL. You may have a down season, maybe, MAYBE two. After that you have to wonder if you are the perennial losers like the Lions, Cardinals and 49er's who seem to be rebuilding EVERY DAMN YEAR. Might as well throw the Raiders in there as well. At least Al Davis appears to be trying to build an offense. We have lost a ton of players from a top 5 offense and replaced them with ROOKIES AND NFLE caliber players. Sure, the defense needed help but three drafts worth, free agent pickups and WHAT THE HELL HAS TT DONE FOR THE OFFENSE?

HE COULDN'T EVEN SIGN A PROVEN KICKER!

He is an average GM and his plan has been obvious, push Favre out. McCarthy doesn't have the same philosophy as Thompson. He can't, he's a coach who is on the hot seat to win games with the SHIT that Thompson gives him. McCarthy won't be considered a good coach until he has a team he can coach and TT is unwilling to bring in ANYONE to help with the offense. TT can't read a damn stat sheet and Favre is the one holding the team hostage? If chucking the ball up 600+ times a season is holding the team hostage, what do you call the guy who drafts a QB with his first draft pick for a team ever, then proceeds to ignore the offense the next 2+ years?

[Scott Campbell]

In 2005 we suffered devastating injuries, the worst season since the Favre era, coaching changes, offensive changes, etc. Just about everything you could think of went wrong in 2005, again, Favre contemplated retirement. Who wouldn't have?

Who wouldn't have considered retirement?

In rough terms, the other 52 guys on the roster.

I think Murphy probably considered it because of his injuries.

[Scott Campbell]

What has TT really done?

He fielded a roster that doubled the win total from 05. He dug us out of Shermy's cap hell.

I think the rest of the evaluation needs to wait until this thing plays out.

[pbmax]

But is Favre putting his goals (immediately winning) ahead of the GMs goals (3 season of .500 just for the sake of argument) to win substantially more and over a longer period of time a good thing?

If this is what the difference is, and I think its likely that it is, should there be a parting of the ways?

I think Thompson is honest as much as possible. I think injuries killed a team that had shed talent and salary in the offseason before 2005. But I doubt 4-12 was part of the plan. I think three seasons near .500 would be a fair estimate.

But there are very few GMs who use the word rebuilding anymore at the behest of the marketing dept. Even the Brewers stayed away from it as they were doing it.

Woodbuck, if Favre can play until 2010 (I assume that's when the contract runs out) then why the yearly will I or won't I retire?

Had he committed to playing out the contract, wouldn't the organizational appoach looked a little different?

The other thing I'm seeing is that Brett Favre can play in Green Bay as long as he wants through 2010 before he decides to retire. It's obvious to me that his committment as always is 100% there.He'll arrive in Green Bay and do all he can to help us secure wins.

pbmax:

Brett Favre wants to feel wanted and valued in Green Bay. He wants to feel that he is worth the money he is paid.

He is one of the most competitive PRO athletes I have ever seen. He is all about winning.

When he see's the results we all have experienced with the Packers over the past two seasons and before that too. He can't help but be disappointed. Like any responsible person he questions his real value and place with the team given his goals.

The main goal is to win.

When he see's his teams agenda obviously in a re-build mode and the GM can't even be honest enought to admit that (which is obvious) then how can he trust TT, given his (Favre's) deemed values,goals and place on the Packers?

[Merlin]

In 2005 we suffered devastating injuries, the worst season since the Favre era, coaching changes, offensive changes, etc. Just about everything you could think of went wrong in 2005, again, Favre contemplated retirement. Who wouldn't have?

Who wouldn't have considered retirement?

In rough terms, the other 52 guys on the roster.

I think Murphy probably considered it because of his injuries.

How many players in the locker room after the last game in 2005 thought to themselves, "I wish every season could be like this. I want to stay with this mess of an organization." My guess, a lot less then your "rough" estimate of 52.

[Merlin]

What has TT really done?

He fielded a roster that doubled the win total from 05. He dug us out of Shermy's cap hell.

I think the rest of the evaluation needs to wait until this thing plays out.

"He" fielded a roster? But wait, I thought it was the COACH who decided who plays. Cap Hell? Sherman didn't manage the cap well but it was by no means "hell". We were just fine and contracts can be renegotiated. Not by TT though, especially for players he didn't sign. Things play out? And that will be when? When hell freezes over?

[pbmax]

Boy that kicker made all the difference too this season!?

What's the difference between the Patriots and the Packers? The Patriots have a GM that wants to win now. The Packers have a GM that wants Favre gone.

And mindreading skills are wasted terribly when spent on football GMs. Shouldn't you be investing in the stock market with this skill?

[Merlin]

You know, sometimes it just isn't worth it...

[PackerBlues]

It is obvious that we are in a period of rebuilding. Thompson seems to think that by denying that we are, it makes it so. In the meantime, the fans, the media, and yes Brett Favre can see through Teds denial.

Many of you point at Favres remarks and say that he is undermining Ted Thompson. Favre truthfully pointed out what anyone else can already see for themselves.

Many of you say that Favre's comments are a "slap in the face" to the young rookies that Thompson picked up. In my opinion (You like that dont you Scott) Favre's comments may have been a slap at Thompsons inaction in free agency to help our Offense, and our young guys should appreciate the fact that they have a leader that wants to win now, as opposed to a "yes-man" who just comes in to collect his pay.

Many of you say that Favre is single-handedly chasing away free agents. I think its more likely that any free agent out there can see that we are in fact not just rebuilding, but doing it over a long period of time, irregardless of Ted Thompsons denial in those regards. Considering that fact, why would any free agent want to come to GB now?

[Merlin]

It is obvious that we are in a period of rebuilding. Thompson seems to think that by denying that we are, it makes it so. In the meantime, the fans, the media, and yes Brett Favre can see through Teds denial.

Many of you point at Favres remarks and say that he is undermining Ted Thompson. Favre truthfully pointed out what anyone else can already see for themselves.

Many of you say that Favre's comments are a "slap in the face" to the young rookies that Thompson picked up. In my opinion (You like that dont you Scott) Favre's comments may have been a slap at Thompsons inaction in free agency to help our Offense, and our young guys should appreciate the fact that they have a leader that wants to win now, as opposed to a "yes-man" who just comes in to collect his pay.

Many of you say that Favre is single-handedly chasing away free agents. I think its more likely that any free agent out there can see that we are in fact not just rebuilding, but doing it over a long period of time, irregardless of Ted Thompsons denial in those regards. Considering that fact, why would any free agent want to come to GB now?

I am sure it had a lot to do with at least the Moss situation. BUT, if you look back, we had some big names come in and leave without a contract. TT accepts no responsibility for his actions. He wants all of the authority and none of the responsibility. "We don't talk about that".

[pbmax]

Woodbuck, one more comment. I believe Thompson and Favre are being about equally honest, as far a public comments go.

No team wants to admit rebuilding or getting younger as it hurts sales and enthusiasm. I believe (IMHO) that T2 wants to win, win now and win in the future. But he doesn't believe in mortgaging the future even with Favre at the helm.

I believe (IMHO) Favre wants to win, he wants the records(what competitive person wouldn't) and wants them while winning so he doesn't look like Pete Rose at the end of his career and wants another shot at the Super Bowl.

Its the time frame that separates them, not the desire to win. This is all pretty understandable in that context.

In the end, I side with the GM, not because I know for certain he's the guy, but he is the one implementing the plan and it will all go better if everyone is pulling in the same direction.

While I appreciate Favre, its not his call to name the GM or the approach. As painful as it may be, he has to decide if he wants to continue or wants to win sooner elsewhere.

[packinpatland]

Letting your emotions get the better of you doesn't necessarily mean you were wrong to be upset. It just says your reaction was inappropriate. I still want to know more about what Thompson did or didn't do with regards to that trade for Moss. I'm left with more questions than answers right now.

Chances are we will never know for sure. Today I heard an interview with Bob Harlan. What I understood him to say was:

The Packers tried hard to get Moss.
They made an offer they thought would do it.
They were not responded to, nor did they know they had no deal until hearing about the NE deal after the fact on TV.
Consequently, they never had the chance to respond to the NE offer.

Soooooo, the frustration should be vented at the Moss, Al Davis......and always............Bellicheck.

[packinpatland]

Oh, and let's not forget Tom Brady....................he 'restructured' remember?

[Patler]

Letting your emotions get the better of you doesn't necessarily mean you were wrong to be upset. It just says your reaction was inappropriate. I still want to know more about what Thompson did or didn't do with regards to that trade for Moss. I'm left with more questions than answers right now.

Chances are we will never know for sure. Today I heard an interview with Bob Harlan. What I understood him to say was:

The Packers tried hard to get Moss.
They made an offer they thought would do it.
They were not responded to, nor did they know they had no deal until hearing about the NE deal after the fact on TV.
Consequently, they never had the chance to respond to the NE offer.

Soooooo, the frustration should be vented at the Moss, Al Davis......and always............Bellicheck.

I have absolutely no idea. I'm just relating what Harlan said. For all I know he could have been making up a huge story just for the media, or he could have been telling the absolute truth. I really don't know, or care!

[Scott Campbell]

TT accepts no responsibility for his actions. He wants all of the authority and none of the responsibility.

This is a ridiculous statement.