Thompson wants Favre out?

[PackerBlues]

We have nothing on Offense. Favre, Driver, Jennings. anyone else is unproven.

WOW, that's a cool chart.


edit: where did you get that? Do they have a similar thing for other teams?

http://www.packers.com/team/how_built/

They also have a really nice team history section. I really wish some people in the forums would check it out and kinda help themselves to remember what this team has been through in the last ten years or so.

http://www.packers.com/history/birth_of_a_team_and_a_legend/#chapter12

[wist43]

His complacency with the status quo on offense for three seasons now is what is fanning all of the flames.

Complaceny? Six new starters. More 1st day draft picks on offense then defense. Investing 5 draft picks in three years on wide receivers. Complacency?

First off, how many of those WR's are difference makers??? Jennings is a nice player, but I hardly consider him a difference maker. Murphy is pumping gas, Rodgers is bagging groceries, Jones looks like a huge reach...

TT is nothing if not quantity over quality.

Secondly, the term "starter" is relative... two of those 6 starters wouldn't have even been necessary had TT massaged the cap enough to keep Wahle and Walker.

Will Colledge or Spitz ever be as good as Wahle??? I doubt it... will Jennings ever be as good as Walker??? Probably not.

As for the others, some turnover was necessary (Wells for Flanigan, Spitz for Rivera, Manuel for Roman, Hawk for Lenon). With the exception of Hawk, the Packers are worse at all of those positions. Granted everyone is looking at the upside of those players, they're young and we're all expecting improvement; but, I don't ever see Wells being as good as Flanigan in his prime, or Spitz ever being as good as Rivera... Manuel and Roman were both stopgaps, so they're a push.

Just b/c TT is turning over the roster, in and of itself, doesn't mean much... some of what he is doing, needed to be done, and he is being acknowledged for that; but, at the same time, his approach isn't likely to land us anywhere near the playoffs (winning the Central doesn't really count in my book - playing Sister Mary-Margarets Mauraders doesn't impress me much) for at least a few more years - that's certainly worthy of criticism.

[AtlPackFan]

OK, I am not understanding some of the logic. The way I see it , if Thompson wants to get rid of Favre, he has two choices. Favre retires, Thompson trades him. Obviously Favre ain't retiring therefore Thompson's only choice is trade.

So, if your TT and you want Favre gone, isn't this the perfect opportunity?! Favre asks, you reciprocate. And you can spin it...at least on the surface...that you are doing it for Favre. You want to give him another shot at a SB and you don't yet have all the pieces in place for GB to compete.
Instead, TT has M3 diffuse the situation? If you believe that TT wants Favre out then I don't understand why this isn't TT's golden opportunity?

Of course I guess if TT trades Farve and admits the team isn't competitive then he would have to admit he is rebuilding....

[Green Bud Packer]

Will Colledge or Spitz ever be as good as Wahle??? .

they were better in their rookie years so my guess is yes they will be as good as wahle.

[Patler]

Will Colledge or Spitz ever be as good as Wahle??? .

they were better in their rookie years so my guess is yes they will be as good as wahle.

Very true, but in fairness to Wahle he was quite young as a rookie. Didn't turn 22 until the March after his rookie season. However, it was really his 4th season before he solidified a spot as a starter.

[Merlin]

OK, I am not understanding some of the logic. The way I see it , if Thompson wants to get rid of Favre, he has two choices. Favre retires, Thompson trades him. Obviously Favre ain't retiring therefore Thompson's only choice is trade.

So, if your TT and you want Favre gone, isn't this the perfect opportunity?! Favre asks, you reciprocate. And you can spin it...at least on the surface...that you are doing it for Favre. You want to give him another shot at a SB and you don't yet have all the pieces in place for GB to compete.
Instead, TT has M3 diffuse the situation? If you believe that TT wants Favre out then I don't understand why this isn't TT's golden opportunity?

Of course I guess if TT trades Favre and admits the team isn't competitive then he would have to admit he is rebuilding....

That's the beauty of TT's plan. He won't trade Favre even if Favre continued to say "trade me". He has to make it appear that he wants him there. Nice to know you are finally seeing the light.

[mraynrand]

I didn't realize we have Jerry Babb on the squad. I feel a lot better about the upcoming season now.

[SudsMcBucky]

[quote="wist43"]
Secondly, the term "starter" is relative... two of those 6 starters wouldn't
As for the others, some turnover was necessary (Wells for Flanigan, Spitz for Rivera, Manuel for Roman, Hawk for Lenon). With the exception of Hawk, the Packers are worse at all of those positions. quote]

I was really hoping they would have made it work to keep Wahle, but seeing Rivera go didn't affect me. Did he even have 1 good year after he left? He's already on the cutting blocks, and was definitely not worth the big contract Dallas gave him. Spitz now > Rivera now (comparing Spitz now to Rivera in his prime is irrelavent).

[wist43]

I didn't want to resign Rivera... therein lies the point I was making in saying "necessary turnover".

As for comparing Spitz to Rivera in his prime; of course, is irrelavent... simply an observation, among several, that amounts to a depletion of talent.

I'm sure Spitz will mature into a decent NFL calibur G... Wahle on the other hand was a pro bowler. Big difference between guys like Colledge and Spitz, and Wahle.

[PackerBlues]

Considering as how Marco Rivera still ended up going to the 2005 Pro Bowl, I am guessing he still had some gas left in the tank. Just because we could not (according to Thompson) afford him, does not mean he was any less of a player.

Last I had heard though, prior to this coming season, Rivera has had a second back surgury at the age of 34 and rampant speculation was going around that he would be cut or retire.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Rivera was just okay in 2005. I couldn't care less if he made the Pro Bowl or not. Players often make the Pro Bowl on name recognition--especially at OL. He was below average in 2006. Great player in his prime (and a great Packer) who the Packers got rid of at the right time. Wahle was still in his prime. Unfortunately, that roster bonus he was due was a ridiculous thing to throw in his contract, but teams that are always up against the cap often times have to do crazy shit like that just to get a guy resigned for an extra year or two.

[pbmax]

Considering we are talking about the current version of the Packers, how would LG look today with a twice injured (during his current contract) and less effective Wahle be today?

And we'll never know if any of the younger players are any good unless they play.

Pick your poison. Older, more expensive and injured or cheap, unproven and young.

Being close to three years removed from the Wahle/Sharper/Rivera purge, they would have had to go younger by now or look like the Chiefs. As for the previous three years, it all depends on whether you think someone could have rebuilt with veterans on the fly to challenge for a Super Bowl.

Seeing the Playoff Packers get waxed by Minnesota, Atlanta and the Rams and lose a game they could have won in Philly, my feeling is that the decine would have continued.

First off, how many of those WR's are difference makers??? Jennings is a nice player, but I hardly consider him a difference maker. Murphy is pumping gas, Rodgers is bagging groceries, Jones looks like a huge reach...

...Will Colledge or Spitz ever be as good as Wahle??? I doubt it... will Jennings ever be as good as Walker??? Probably not.

[pbmax]

What position does the girl play? What's the cap number? Phone number?

Considering as how Marco Rivera still ended up going to the 2005 Pro Bowl, I am guessing he still had some gas left in the tank. Just because we could not (according to Thompson) afford him, does not mean he was any less of a player.

Last I had heard though, prior to this coming season, Rivera has had a second back surgury at the age of 34 and rampant speculation was going around that he would be cut or retire.

[Chester Marcol]

I can't imagine TT ever wanted Favre gone. If he really is trying to win now(words), you need an experienced QB. However, if you are rebuilding(actions), wouldn't that project go a lot smoother with an experienced QB still able to play at a high level? That has been my feeling on how TT views Favre as of lately. I think a veteran QB can make this rebuilding go smoother and his confidence won't be shattered. Look what happened when Rodgers was thrown in. He got beat up and broke a hoof. How many more games of that before he is left without confidence and ends up like numorous Browns and Bengals QB's of the past.

So, once we are 2-3 years down the road and Favre walks away, don't you think, if TT's build threw the draft plan works, that a QB will have a better chance to step in and be more successful with the growing pains behind the team?

Favre is wanted, but the bigger question for TT is why is he wanted.

[cheesner]

I'm sure TT would love to be rid of Favre...

His hands are tied though... the backlash would be overwhelming - TT knows Favre has an almost mythical standing with Packer fans. TT is egotistical and rigid, but he's not dumb.

Favre is a Packer for life, and that's just the way it is... my hunch is that Favre is done after this year - and the 2 year run of "the Aaron Rodgers era" can begin.

Thence begins the 2 decade search for a QB of Favre's calibur.

One thing we all know about TT - he is all about pleasing the fans. It exactly why he drafted fan favorite DT Harrell this year, to appease the clamoring fans.

Of the best offensive players a few years ago someone listed: Favre, Green, Driver, and Wahle - they all had one thing in common. They weren't very good when their first couple of years in the league.

Favre was traded after his rookie year. When he became a FA he recieved 1 offer from the Saints. It wasn't much so he resigned with the Packers.

Green was traded after his 2nd season.

Driver languished on the bench for 3-4 seasons.

Wahle was a miserable failure at left tackle.

Packers currently have the youngest roster in the NFL, give these guys a chance to develop. As far as the WIN NOW mentality, under TT, Favre has been a 'maybe I will retire' mode. The first 2 years under TT, Favre waited till after the draft to decide to play another year. I wonder what TT drafts and FA acquisitions would look like if Favre had told TT he would play for 3 more years when he was first hired.