Thompson wants Favre out?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Favre was traded after his rookie year. When he became a FA he recieved 1 offer from the Saints. It wasn't much so he resigned with the Packers.

While I agree with your general sentiment, I don't remember it going down like this. I believe Favre was a restricted FA, and most teams assumed Green Bay would match any offer. New Orleans was looking into signing him to a BIG contract for the time. I believe it was something like $4M/year--which was a ton of money at that time for a guy who was coming off an ordinary season in 1993. The Packers and Favre ended up working it out.

[cheesner]

Favre was traded after his rookie year. When he became a FA he recieved 1 offer from the Saints. It wasn't much so he resigned with the Packers.

While I agree with your general sentiment, I don't remember it going down like this. I believe Favre was a restricted FA, and most teams assumed Green Bay would match any offer. New Orleans was looking into signing him to a BIG contract for the time. I believe it was something like $4M/year--which was a ton of money at that time for a guy who was coming off an ordinary season in 1993. The Packers and Favre ended up working it out.

Could be.

IIRC Favre visited a bunch of teams, but only one actually tried to sign him. My feeling at the time was there was not very much interest in signing him. I hate to admit this now, but I was hoping he would go. He was just too wild, I didn't think he would play within a system enough to succeed.

[woodbuck27]

I'm sure TT would love to be rid of Favre...

His hands are tied though... the backlash would be overwhelming - TT knows Favre has an almost mythical standing with Packer fans. TT is egotistical and rigid, but he's not dumb.

Favre is a Packer for life, and that's just the way it is... my hunch is that Favre is done after this year - and the 2 year run of "the Aaron Rodgers era" can begin.

Thence begins the 2 decade search for a QB of Favre's calibur.

You can't possibly believe that? favre's mythical status is no greater than Montana's in SF, for example.

He had a golden opportunity! I can hear the announcement:

"Favre has asked to be traded. For ALL he has given this organization, we have reluctantly agreed to his wishes. Brett has earned the right to play his last few years (closer to his home, where he wants, etc. etc) We wish him all the best, and he will always be a GREEN BAY PACKER!"

Itr seems to me that you believe that before long we'll read the actual headlines on Brett Favre being traded. Uhhh ?

[woodbuck27]

We have nothing on Offense. Favre, Driver, Jennings. anyone else is unproven.

Patler will pat TT's back for adding Colledge,Spitz and Moll.

After his joke of an attempt to shore up our OL in 2004's off season. Just what else could he do? (re-calling his attitude towords FA's).

Ted Thompson is just plain stiff (rigid) as a GM and he's failing.

The proof of that is 12-20 and worse to come; and the split we see in takes of it all among Packer fans.

The realist Packer fan takes the approach of. . . ''well. . . may as well rollover and accept Ted Thompson as he's the show.''

The Brett Favre supporters support win now baby. That isn't going to happen in 2007 with Brett Favre unless he becomes Superman.

If Ted Thompson trades Brett Favre then what does he have after that but Ted Thompson?

That's not working and it won't work. He's (again) too rigid.

If Ted Thompson trades Favre then all those Favre fans will tear at his ass till he's gone. Favre has officially said that he wants to retire a Packer.To even insinuate that he will be traded is nonsence.

Ted Thompson doesn't even have to gonads and smart enough to avoid that noose.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I hate to admit this now, but I was hoping he would go. He was just too wild, I didn't think he would play within a system enough to succeed.

At least, you are honest. You weren't the only one who felt that way. I defended Favre and Sharper after their first couple of years--when a lot of people wanted them shipped out.

[4and12to12and4]

[quote="wist43"]

His complacency with the status quo on offense for three seasons now is what is fanning all of the flames.

Complaceny? Six new starters. More 1st day draft picks on offense then defense. Investing 5 draft picks in three years on wide receivers. Complacency?

First off, how many of those WR's are difference makers??? Jennings is a nice player, but I hardly consider him a difference maker. Murphy is pumping gas, Rodgers is bagging groceries, Jones looks like a huge reach...

This statements has more holes in it than swiss cheese (wisconsin metaphor ). Jennings was in line for a possible rookie of the year candidate until his injury. He MAY be a GREAT player. You can't say that you know he won't be. Everyone was googoo about him after preseason and the beginning of the season until his injury, because of his great hands and ability to seperate and YAC. Murphy is not TT's fault, he looked like a possible probowler. He had all the qualities and talents he needed to be an EXCELLENT receiver. How can you blame TT for his outcome? Rodgers is still just Brett's backup, but that means nothing. Remember Matt Hasselback? He almost won a superbowl AFTER backing up Favre for half a career. So, the jury's still out on Mr. Aaron. How can you even make a judgement on Jones as a HUGE reach? Because he didn't go to USC? Would you have wanted us to waste a 1st round pick on a third round receiver (which is just about what the talent level was left at NO. 16.).

TT is nothing if not quantity over quality.

You have a better chance of getting quality in the "lottery" that is the NFL Draft when you have MORE picks. TT understands that there is almost no SURE great player out of college, and so he plays the odds game, and that is a GOOD thing. He's a smart GM for doing that. I challenge you to come up with the top 50 players in the NFL right now and then go check what school they came from and what round they were picked, and I would bet that over 75% we're 2nd round or lower, 50% were 4th round or lower, and you probably couldn't pronounce one fourth of the schools, or know what state they're in.

Secondly, the term "starter" is relative... two of those 6 starters wouldn't have even been necessary had TT massaged the cap enough to keep Wahle and Walker.

Keeping Wahle is debatable, even though he would've cost a fortune, but the Walker situation is a difficult one to blame TT for. The injury screwed that entire thing up, and give me a break, what player that has his agent DOESN'T give their team a splitting headache.

Will Colledge or Spitz ever be as good as Wahle??? I doubt it... will Jennings ever be as good as Walker??? Probably not.

Thus you're rat name. Very accurate.

As for the others, some turnover was necessary (Wells for Flanigan, Spitz for Rivera, Manuel for Roman, Hawk for Lenon). With the exception of Hawk, the Packers are worse at all of those positions. Granted everyone is looking at the upside of those players, they're young and we're all expecting improvement; but, I don't ever see Wells being as good as Flanigan in his prime, or Spitz ever being as good as Rivera... Manuel and Roman were both stopgaps, so they're a push.

You are nuts if you think that Roman is even close to as good as Manuel. Understand something, Manuel was learning a new scheme and isn't the fastest guy out there, thus his blowing some plays this year, but almost NOONE here gives him the credit he deserves for his aggressive play against the run, and his great hard tackling ability on those plays. If you really paid attention to last year's games, you'd know that he filled many a gap on running plays and was excellent in that area, making many tackles in OTHERS responsibility areas. He's better than most here think, and with a year's experience in our defense, if healthy, I think he will become a much better player and leader out there this year.

Just b/c TT is turning over the roster, in and of itself, doesn't mean much... some of what he is doing, needed to be done, and he is being acknowledged for that; but, at the same time, his approach isn't likely to land us anywhere near the playoffs (winning the Central doesn't really count in my book - playing Sister Mary-Margarets Mauraders doesn't impress me much) for at least a few more years - that's certainly worthy of criticism.

You have the right to you're opinion, but I think this team is MUCH improved defensively, which is outstanding considering the amount of youth we have, and as far as the offense goes, I agree we need a good tight end to help Favre, and TT has tried with Lee and Martin, who seemed to have the talent, but just haven't gotten it together (but, Brett has to throw it to them too). As far as receiver goes, there are going to be many folks here eating crow when this talented young group we currently have grow up this year and really contribute and help Driver. TT KNOWS that the Jennings, and the Holidays, and the Ruvells, are just as if not more talented than any of the receivers coming out of the draft after Calvin, AND they are experienced a year now in the system.

So, that's my defense to all of your negativity. But, one last thing. You're idea that TT is an egomaniac and wants only HIS guys is not only ridiculous, it's laughable. He wants to win, PERIOD. Give the guy a chance. Like someone else said earlier, it's not been easy for him in terms of QB, when his current QB hasn't given him any guarantees of being there for him in future years. He has been contemplating retirement since TT got here. That is an issue that has been hard for TT do deal with, so don't blame TT for problems caused by that situation. OK, my rant is over.

[Merlin]

This statements has more holes in it than swiss cheese (wisconsin metaphor ). Jennings was in line for a possible rookie of the year candidate until his injury. He MAY be a GREAT player. You can't say that you know he won't be. Everyone was googoo about him after preseason and the beginning of the season until his injury, because of his great hands and ability to seperate and YAC. Murphy is not TT's fault, he looked like a possible probowler. He had all the qualities and talents he needed to be an EXCELLENT receiver. How can you blame TT for his outcome? Rodgers is still just Brett's backup, but that means nothing. Remember Matt Hasselback? He almost won a superbowl AFTER backing up Favre for half a career. So, the jury's still out on Mr. Aaron. How can you even make a judgement on Jones as a HUGE reach? Because he didn't go to USC? Would you have wanted us to waste a 1st round pick on a third round receiver (which is just about what the talent level was left at NO. 16.).

Talk about swiss cheese! Jennings is unproven, Rodgers is no Hasselbeck and if you actually paid attention you would see how much of a bust Rodgers is. With no veteran leadership, this team is doomed to fail until the rookies make the mistakes themselves and cost us games. THAT is the reality. We took our lumps last year with 3T's rookie team learning. We are doomed to that again. Then the year after AGAIN. You aren't getting it.

You have a better chance of getting quality in the "lottery" that is the NFL Draft when you have MORE picks. TT understands that there is almost no SURE great player out of college, and so he plays the odds game, and that is a GOOD thing. He's a smart GM for doing that. I challenge you to come up with the top 50 players in the NFL right now and then go check what school they came from and what round they were picked, and I would bet that over 75% we're 2nd round or lower, 50% were 4th round or lower, and you probably couldn't pronounce one fourth of the schools, or know what state they're in.

Playing the odds? You mean by taking an INJURED player in the first round? Sure, more picks the better your odds. Problem is they all seem to make the team! And at what cost? Someone find out how many of the draft picks that TT has picked up that have made the roster. Then compare the number of FA pickups that have made the roster. OR better yet, were at least signed to the practice squad and went to NFLE. You may be surprised to find out it's a hell of a lot of them. We have the youngest team in the NFL for a reason. Way to GAMBLE the season. You will never convince me that there were no FA's at the positions we kept rookies on the roster for that wouldn't have contributed to the team the day we signed them.

Keeping Wahle is debatable, even though he would've cost a fortune, but the Walker situation is a difficult one to blame TT for. The injury screwed that entire thing up, and give me a break, what player that has his agent DOESN'T give their team a splitting headache.

3T could have kept either Whale or Rivera. He wouldn't spend the money on them, it's that simple. They both did well for themselves and I am happy for them but that doesn't give 3T a pass on letting go two pro bowl guards and replacing them with NFLE & rookies. Walker's injury didn't screw anything up. 3T's ego and "his team" philosophy cost us Walker. I don't like how Walker handled himself and he has some blame in this but once again, 3T doesn't get let off the hook for letting a pro bowl WR leave and then replacing him with a rookie.

You are nuts if you think that Roman is even close to as good as Manuel. Understand something, Manuel was learning a new scheme and isn't the fastest guy out there, thus his blowing some plays this year, but almost NOONE here gives him the credit he deserves for his aggressive play against the run, and his great hard tackling ability on those plays. If you really paid attention to last year's games, you'd know that he filled many a gap on running plays and was excellent in that area, making many tackles in OTHERS responsibility areas. He's better than most here think, and with a year's experience in our defense, if healthy, I think he will become a much better player and leader out there this year.

Roman did an adequate job here. Manual was NOT an upgrade. He was a 3T player in Seattle. The second 3T could talk to the guy he was signed to a contract. 3T had a woody for Manual, that is something no one can refute. He went after him very aggressively, more then any other player since he took over. Manual didn't start in Seattle for a reason: A well respected coach didn't think he was good enough to start. The guy had what? A few good games in Seattle? Don't hand me this "learning a new scheme" crap. If you didn't give Roman a pass like that for the different schemes he had to learn while in Green Bay, don't be a hypocrite.

You have the right to you're opinion, but I think this team is MUCH improved defensively, which is outstanding considering the amount of youth we have, and as far as the offense goes, I agree we need a good tight end to help Favre, and TT has tried with Lee and Martin, who seemed to have the talent, but just haven't gotten it together (but, Brett has to throw it to them too). As far as receiver goes, there are going to be many folks here eating crow when this talented young group we currently have grow up this year and really contribute and help Driver. TT KNOWS that the Jennings, and the Holidays, and the Ruvells, are just as if not more talented than any of the receivers coming out of the draft after Calvin, AND they are experienced a year now in the system.

So, that's my defense to all of your negativity. But, one last thing. You're idea that TT is an egomaniac and wants only HIS guys is not only ridiculous, it's laughable. He wants to win, PERIOD. Give the guy a chance. Like someone else said earlier, it's not been easy for him in terms of QB, when his current QB hasn't given him any guarantees of being there for him in future years. He has been contemplating retirement since TT got here. That is an issue that has been hard for TT do deal with, so don't blame TT for problems caused by that situation. OK, my rant is over.

First of all, you are right, we are all entitled to our opinion. Secondly, 3T is an egomaniac. He does want only HIS guys. In case you haven't noticed, he hasn't kept too many players around from the previous GM. The only ones he has are either pro-bowlers or potential pro-bowlers. AND he has even let a bunch of those leave. The only reason Favre contemplates retirement is because 3T doesn't do shit to help out the side of the ball that scores. At this point in his career, Favre is still better then most of the QB's in the NFL. Although Favre should not dictate the direction of the team and personnel moves, when the person that is supposed to be putting a competitive team on the field forgets that he has a pro-bowl QB, one of the best ever, and keeps throwing rookies at him and expects him to make miracles happen, how the hell would that make you feel? Youth and warm fuzzies only go so far when you aren't winning games. It's no secret that WR's perform better under Favre then they would otherwise with Ferguson as the exception. But when Favre is running for his life with the offense in maximum protection and the WR makes the wrong read, it gets a little old.