The Soap Opera That Is Brett Favre ------The Real Story

[cpk1994]

SOV, you explained the situation better than I veer could and I agree with you.

I know it was just a typo, but when I see the word "veer" , as a lifelong Badger fan, I get the shakes, and have Don Morton flashbacks.

I'll be out of rehab very soon!

Good god I can't believe my fingers typed that word. Bad hand, bad hand. BTW, I get those shakes and Don Morton flashbacks too.

[son of a vic]

Favre makes some mistakes with the media, as he did this past week, but he also manned up, backtracked, and made things right with his teammates. T.O. never bothers to do that ... T.O. doesn't care.

Brett is liked and respected by his teammates, whereas T.O. wears out his welcome with teammates.

I don't think you can compare the two at all.

I really don't know if he's as respected and liked by his teammates, as most people think.

[Bretsky]

"I'm fine with Ted. There's probably been games or plays that he hasn't really agreed with the things that I've done, but I don't see him on the bus after the game, he won't speak to me. You go on; you move forward. I'm not here to judge the way he runs this team, and I know he's probably caught a lot of heat. Ted and I go way back--from day one. And he has a plan. That's what he's paid to do and I'm paid to lead this team on the field. I mean, we're fine. Once again, I don't have to agree with everything he does, he doesn't have to agree with some of the things I do. But we're fine...it's a non-issue" --Brett Favre

Doesn't sound like animosity to me somehow...

Gosh, why would Favre be upset with the offseason ?

Those are his words, not mine.

Oh please; do we need to draw out all of his quotes you missed out on ? He's doing a nice media spin; surely even you must realize that. Nothing like conveniently ingnoring some quotes and then using the others as truth

[Bretsky]

I just think [Favre] feels sometimes that the organization is moving forward without him and they forgot to tell him that.

IMO, the organization did not forget to tell Favre anything. Favre "forgot" to tell them that he would still be here in 2006, 2007, and possibly beyond.

If they had known that, I think there's no way they draft A-Rod in the 1st round in 2005. Teams do not draft quarterbacks in the first round so they can warm the bench for 2 years, let alone 3 or 4.

I'm a big fan of Brett Favre, but he ain't perfect, and I think SOV is right on this one. I don't sympathize with Favre's frustrations regarding personnel moves, because it is Favre's unwillingness to give the team anything more than a year-to-year commitment that has forced the team to prepare for life without him sooner rather than later.

And how was he suppose to know if he was going to be here for three full more years; his fault though. Wow

[son of a vic]

Most players don't bring up retirement until they are ready to retire. Not when they are just pondering about it.

[MJZiggy]

Oh please; do we need to draw out all of his quotes you missed out on ? He's doing a nice media spin; surely even you must realize that. Nothing like conveniently ingnoring some quotes and then using the others as truth

No, this just happened to be the one I was listening to at the time I read this thread. What quote am I conveniently ignoring? He talked for 5 minutes in that pc about how he and Ted are fine. So is he lying? What proof is there that this is spin and not the truth? Are you taking some source close to the situation at its word over the horses mouth? You know how I feel about the media and their tendency to twist things. Now I haven't seen the original interview yet, but it seems to me he was pretty clear in this one.

[Bretsky]

Oh please; do we need to draw out all of his quotes you missed out on ? He's doing a nice media spin; surely even you must realize that. Nothing like conveniently ingnoring some quotes and then using the others as truth

No, this just happened to be the one I was listening to at the time I read this thread. What quote am I conveniently ignoring? He talked for 5 minutes in that pc about how he and Ted are fine. So is he lying? What proof is there that this is spin and not the truth? Are you taking some source close to the situation at its word over the horses mouth? You know how I feel about the media and their tendency to twist things. Now I haven't seen the original interview yet, but it seems to me he was pretty clear in this one.

Ah forget it; I know what you'll say anyways. You should go review what happened while you were gone.

[MJZiggy]

I've heard I may not want to...

[MadtownPacker]

Point being Retail Clown, is that they are both being a negative influence on their respective teams. Not that Favre is any better or worse than T.O.

Hahaha!! Everything else you posted is mostly shredder material but "Retail Clown" is a true gem!

[Bretsky]

Favre makes some mistakes with the media, as he did this past week, but he also manned up, backtracked, and made things right with his teammates. T.O. never bothers to do that ... T.O. doesn't care.

Brett is liked and respected by his teammates, whereas T.O. wears out his welcome with teammates.

I don't think you can compare the two at all.

I really don't know if he's as respected and liked by his teammates, as most people think.

I'm really curious if you have anything to back that statement ?

In my profession I have did loans for a guy who has connections via the sports media with the Packers. He had several of their cell numbers saved and we discussed GB while we were waiting for another annoucement from Brett Favre on his coming back this year.

He let me know he spoke with a starting OL last week and asked for input on how the players perceptions is. The player noted that they all like and enjoy him and are currently praying he comes back.

We've heard several on the record statements on how the players really respect him and like him; I had some off the record things.

[Bretsky]

Most players don't bring up retirement until they are ready to retire. Not when they are just pondering about it.

Like QB's who have been around for a long time.....Elway.....Marino ?

Often these players bring up retirement when they are asked about it

[pbmax]

Elway had one season when this was a big deal, after the first Super Bowl. The next season he announced quickly the retirement. This was a good example of ending well.

Marino is a bad example. He fussed and fueded through two seasons with Jimmy Johnson, berated teammates on the field while clearly not the player he once was. Had his ability to audible taken away. Complained about the running game. Had at least one off-season contemplating going to Rastak and the Vikings. Except for Montana, this is the textbook example of ending ugly.

The difference isn't the questioned being asked and answered. Its what the answer is. It can be downplayed or ignored. Answered when emotions aren't raw.

Favre's answers have always encouraged more speculation.

Think what his press conferences would be like if he was answering pain killer/alcohol/after care questions like he entertains the retirement question. He clearly possesses the ability to kill a story. He hasn't used it with retirement.

Most players don't bring up retirement until they are ready to retire. Not when they are just pondering about it.

Like QB's who have been around for a long time.....Elway.....Marino ?

Often these players bring up retirement when they are asked about it

[Bretsky]

Elway had one season when this was a big deal, after the first Super Bowl. The next season he announced quickly the retirement. This was a good example of ending well.

Marino is a bad example. He fussed and fueded through two seasons with Jimmy Johnson, berated teammates on the field while clearly not the player he once was. Had his ability to audible taken away. Complained about the running game. Had at least one off-season contemplating going to Rastak and the Vikings. Except for Montana, this is the textbook example of ending ugly.

The difference isn't the questioned being asked and answered. Its what the answer is. It can be downplayed or ignored. Answered when emotions aren't raw.

Favre's answers have always encouraged more speculation.

Think what his press conferences would be like if he was answering pain killer/alcohol/after care questions like he entertains the retirement question. He clearly possesses the ability to kill a story. He hasn't used it with retirement.

Most players don't bring up retirement until they are ready to retire. Not when they are just pondering about it.

Like QB's who have been around for a long time.....Elway.....Marino ?

Often these players bring up retirement when they are asked about it

My point is simple

It's silly to think a QB would announce he'll play another three years, and when you've played so long big deals are going to be made about retirement. Players have the right to announce when they have fully decided. Not everything is ideal and this situation certainly never has been.

I used Favre and Elway because they were the two QB's who seemed to be around forever in my era; Favre is the third. Can't think of another good one, although Aikman played a while for the same team.

Has Favre added to the fire ? Sure. Do I really care ? Not really.

[MJZiggy]

My point is simple

It's silly to think a QB would announce he'll play another three years, and when you've played so long big deals are going to be made about retirement. Players have the right to announce when they have fully decided. Not everything is ideal and this situation certainly never has been.

I used Favre and Elway because they were the two QB's who seemed to be around forever in my era; Favre is the third. Can't think of another good one, although Aikman played a while for the same team.

Has Favre added to the fire ? Sure. Do I really care ? Not really.

Hey B!! We agree on something!

[the_idle_threat]

I just think [Favre] feels sometimes that the organization is moving forward without him and they forgot to tell him that.

IMO, the organization did not forget to tell Favre anything. Favre "forgot" to tell them that he would still be here in 2006, 2007, and possibly beyond.

If they had known that, I think there's no way they draft A-Rod in the 1st round in 2005. Teams do not draft quarterbacks in the first round so they can warm the bench for 2 years, let alone 3 or 4.

I'm a big fan of Brett Favre, but he ain't perfect, and I think SOV is right on this one. I don't sympathize with Favre's frustrations regarding personnel moves, because it is Favre's unwillingness to give the team anything more than a year-to-year commitment that has forced the team to prepare for life without him sooner rather than later.

And how was he suppose to know if he was going to be here for three full more years; his fault though. Wow

I don't think he could have known for certain that he would be around for 3 more years, but remember what he has been saying? He stated that the next season is definitely his last before each of the last 2 seasons, only to change his mind in the next offseason.

Having played that game twice now, how can he then blame the team for preparing for life without him by starting and sticking with a much-needed youth movement?