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    Overrated-underrated: Porter, Warren on opposite ends

    May 31, 2007

    By Pete Prisco
    CBS SportsLine.com Senior Writer

    A certain magazine known for a cover jinx put Joey Porter on its cover last year and called him the NFL's meanest man.

    This would have been a better description: The NFL's most overrated player.

    Porter signed a five-year, $32 million deal with the Miami Dolphins this spring as an unrestricted free agent. The Dolphins think he can be a pass-rush force, adding to an already talented defense.

    Many personnel people and coaches I talked to think they're getting something else, which is a player who has more bark than bite.

    Porter had seven sacks last season, but six of those came in three games, two in each of those games. That means in the other 11 games he played -- he missed two for injuries -- he had one sack.

    "What's even more alarming about that," said an AFC personnel director, "is that he played a 3-4 outside linebacker. Those players are expected to get double-digits sacks at the least."

    Porter turned 30 in March, which is even more reason for concern. Add it all up, and it's why he's the pick as my most overrated player in the NFL, which is something I've picked each of the past four years.

    This isn't to pile on Porter, who was fined $1,000 this week for his role in a fight with Cincinnati Bengals tackle Levi Jones in a Las Vegas casino. Porter could still face sanctions from the league for that incident.

    The flip side of an overrated player is the league's most underrated player.

    So who's that lucky player?

    It's New England defensive end Ty Warren.

    In his fourth season in 2006, Warren had 7½ sacks and 84 tackles. It was his breakout season, and one that some said should have landed him in Hawaii for the Pro Bowl.

    The problem is that Warren plays opposite Richard Seymour, who is one of the best defensive linemen in the league. Seymour gets most of the attention, which is why Warren doesn't.

    But keep an eye on Warren this season. He might be ready to join Seymour in Hawaii.

    Here are the underrated and overrated players for each of the league's 32 teams.

    Arizona Cardinals

    Overrated

    RB Edgerrin James. Yes, he played behind a bad line last year when he struggled. But that's not the whole reason for his 3.2 average.

    Underrated

    LB Gerald Hayes. Now that Adrian Wilson has finally gone to the Pro Bowl, it's Hayes who gets the slot here. He was a force in the middle as a 4-3 middle linebacker, and should be just as good in the Cardinals' 3-4 defense.

    Atlanta Falcons

    Overrated

    QB Michael Vick. Until he becomes a better pocket passer, he's always going to be in this spot. It can still happen for him, but it takes work. This is a huge year for him on the field -- if he stays there.

    Underrated

    DT Grady Jackson. Say all you want about his weight -- and he sure is big -- but he knows how to clog things up against the run. He does have to get healthy again.

    Baltimore Ravens

    Overrated

    RB Willis McGahee. Blame the Bills line all you want, but this guy just hasn't performed like a star back.

    Underrated

    NT Kelly Gregg. He is a short keg-like body in the middle of the defense who helps keep the linebackers clean to flow to the football. He does the dirty work inside.

    Buffalo Bills

    Overrated

    RT Langston Walker. It's hard to find one on this young team, but since they paid him money as a free agent he's the pick.

    Underrated

    LT Jason Peters. He's close to being a Pro Bowl player. This converted tight end has a ton of potential.

    Carolina Panthers

    Overrated

    MLB Dan Morgan. The tools are there, but he can't stay on the field. That puts him in this category.

    Underrated

    QB David Carr. He will take over as the team's starting quarterback at some point and show the Houston Texans they made a big mistake.

    Chicago Bears

    Overrated

    S Adam Archuleta. He's never been effective as a cover player. He's basically a glorified linebacker. Watch teams attack him in pass coverage.

    Underrated

    DT Tank Johnson. Off-the-field problems aside, Johnson is a heck of a player when he's on the field. The Bears need him in the worst way.

    Cincinnati Bengals

    Overrated

    CB Deltha O'Neal. He went to the Pro Bowl in 2005, but didn't come close to getting there a year ago. He could be pushed for his starting job now.

    Underrated

    DE Robert Geathers. He is a situational pass rusher with speed off the corner. That's why the Bengals made re-signing him a priority.

    Cleveland Browns

    Overrated

    OLB Willie McGinest. He doesn't have much left and that started to show up last season after the Browns paid him big money as a free agent.

    Underrated

    S Sean Jones. He emerged as a top-notch safety last season, showing why the Browns drafted him in the second round in 2004. He had 111 tackles and five interceptions.

    Dallas Cowboys

    Overrated

    QB Tony Romo. It's way too early to put him as a top 10 quarterback, which some have done. He sure didn't look like it at the end of last season.

    Underrated

    CB Terence Newman. His not going to the Pro Bowl last year was a crime. He is a top-notch cover corner.

    Denver Broncos

    Overrated

    DT Gerard Warren. In fairness to Warren, he played with dislocated toes last season. But he still didn't play like he did in 2005. Of course, John Lynch could fill this spot every year.

    Underrated

    LG Ben Hamilton. He has taken over as the team's best offensive lineman. He's a tough, physical player whose best football is still ahead of him.

    Detroit Lions

    Overrated

    G Damien Woody. He hasn't played well since signing with the Lions as a free agent and now he might go to the bench.

    Underrated

    QB Jon Kitna. Maybe he's not the long-term answer, but he got the job done last season for Mike Martz. He knows where to go with the football.

    Green Bay Packers

    Overrated

    TE Bubba Franks. His career has gone down the toilet in a hurry. This former first-round pick is now fighting for a job.

    Underrated

    DE Cullen Jenkins. His emergence as a defensive end will allow the Packers to make Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila a situational pass rusher.

    Houston Texans

    Overrated

    RB Ahman Green. In his last 34 starts, Green has nine rushes of 20 yards or more. In 2003, he had 15 alone. The Texans paid him way too much money at his age.

    Underrated

    CB Dunta Robinson. His silky smooth cover skills get lost because the defense has struggled at times.

    Indianapolis Colts

    Overrated

    DT Anthony McFarland. It was tough finding an overrated player on this team, but McFarland might be it. He did nothing during the regular season, but did show up in the playoffs. Maybe that says something about why he's here.

    Underrated

    TE Dallas Clark. His versatility is so key to the Colts offense. He can flex out like a receiver and create match-up problems.

    Jacksonville Jaguars

    Overrated

    DE Paul Spicer. The team talks up his effort, but what does he really do? He needs to be replaced.

    Underrated

    DT John Henderson. For whatever reason, he doesn't get the due he deserves. Maybe it's because he plays next to Marcus Stroud.

    Kansas City Chiefs

    Overrated

    CB Ty Law. He's living off the past. He has slowed down and it shows. Even in the Chiefs' Cover-2 defense, that shows up.

    Underrated

    DE Jared Allen. If he can stay clear of off-the-field problems, he will cash in big next year as a free agent.

    Miami Dolphins

    Overrated

    LB Joey Porter. And it isn't even close. Why they paid him all that money is a great mystery.

    Underrated

    S Yeremiah Bell. When he was inserted into the starting lineup in the sixth game last season, the defense became better. He's a good, solid tackler.

    Minnesota Vikings

    Overrated

    LT Bryant McKinnie. He gives up too many sacks. He's never lived up to the hype as a first-round pick.

    Underrated

    LB E.J. Henderson. He had his best season last year and now moves back from the outside to the middle. He struggled as a middle backer earlier in his career, but he's better suited for it now.

    New England Patriots

    Overrated

    LB Tedy Bruschi. He has slowed down, and that showed up in a big way in the playoff loss to the Colts. He doesn't have it anymore, and is living on his reputation.

    Underrated

    DE Ty Warren. Keep a close eye on him. His Pro Bowl time is coming.

    New Orleans Saints

    Overrated

    CB Mike McKenzie. When he wants to be good, he's good. But he has too many lapses to be an elite player.

    Underrated

    G Jahri Evans. As a rookie, he didn't give up a sack. That's high marks for a young lineman.

    New York Giants

    Overrated

    CB Sam Madison. Once upon a time he was a great man cover corner. You'd never know it now.

    Underrated

    DT Fred Robbins. He started all 16 games, getting 62 tackles and 5½ sacks. He's a good, steady player who doesn't get much due.

    New York Jets

    Overrated

    QB Chad Pennington. Can he be a Super Bowl quarterback? I doubt it. He threw 17 touchdowns and 16 interceptions. He's just okay.

    Underrated

    S Kerry Rhodes. Much like Adrian Wilson of the Cardinals, his time in the spotlight will eventually come. He's too good a player for that not to happen.

    Oakland Raiders

    Overrated

    RB Dominic Rhodes. Yes, he had a nice Super Bowl. And he did nicely splitting time with Joseph Addai. But that's all he is, a spot player.

    Underrated

    CB Nnamdi Asomugha. This kid has developed into one of the best cover corners in the league. He was a Pro Bowl snub last year.

    Philadelphia Eagles

    Overrated

    MLB Jeremiah Trotter. He doesn't get to the football, and it shows in the run defense. His best days are long behind him.

    Underrated

    C Jamaal Jackson. Playing on the best line in the league, he doesn't get the Pro Bowl attention. But it could come this year,

    Pittsburgh Steelers

    Overrated

    G Alan Faneca. He's a nice run blocker, but he struggles in pass protection. The Steelers will make the wise move not paying him a new deal.

    Underrated

    DE Brett Keisel. He always seems to be around the quarterback. This year, the Steelers plan to use some special defenses where he will line up as rover.

    St. Louis Rams

    Overrated

    TE Randy McMichael. He's OK, but he's not nearly as good as his reputation. Miami wouldn't have let him go if he was.

    Underrated

    CB Fakhir Brown. Defensive coordinator Jim Haslett had him in New Orleans and wanted him in St. Louis. Brown is a much better corner than he's given credit for being.

    San Diego Chargers

    Overrated

    QB Philip Rivers. This being nitpicky because I really like Rivers. But I've seen him ranked as a top five quarterback already. That's a bit quick. He can get there this season, but not yet. There aren't a lot of candidates on the Chargers for this spot.

    Underrated

    DE Igor Olshansky. He tends to get overlooked on a line with Jamal Williams and Luis Castillo, but he's right up there with them.

    San Francisco 49ers

    Overrated

    WR Darrell Jackson. If they think he's going to cure their receiver problems, they are wrong. He's not better than Antonio Bryant, the guy they let go. Jackson drops a lot of passes.

    Underrated

    LB Brandon Moore. He had 6½ sacks last year, four games with 10 or more tackles, including the last three, and yet you'd be hard-pressed for people on the East Coast to know his name. He's a heck of a player.

    Seattle Seahawks

    Overrated

    WR Deion Branch. He's a nice player, but he wasn't worth what the Seahawks traded and paid to get him. Is he really a No. 1 receiver?

    Underrated

    WR D.J. Hackett. He got a chance to play last season because of injuries, starting five games, and showed some nice skills. He caught 45 passes and had four touchdown catches, the same as Branch, who started 13 games.

    Tampa Bay Buccaneers

    Overrated

    QB Jeff Garcia. He played well for the Eagles last year, but is he really any better than Chris Simms? We'll find out. I doubt it.

    Underrated

    DE Greg Spires. He doesn't get the attention Simeon Rice gets, but he is one of those effort guys all defenses need.

    Tennessee Titans

    Overrated

    QB Vince Young. Is it crazy to put a second-year player in this spot? Maybe. But he isn't close to being the quarterback some say he is. He can't pass the football consistently yet, but most would make you think otherwise. Give him time.

    Underrated

    LT Michael Roos. He isn't Pro Bowl caliber yet, but this young player has a chance to be a nice starting player for a long time.

    Washington Redskins

    Overrated

    WR Antwaan Randle El. Is he anything more than a good No. 3 receiver? The Redskins paid him way too much money.

    Underrated

    DT Kedric Golston. He won a job last year and played well inside as a rookie. He has a chance to develop into a quality defensive tackle. He might never be a Pro Bowl player, but he will be a consistent starter.
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    Re: Overrated-underrated players on NFL teams.

    Originally posted by woodbuck27
    Atlanta Falcons

    Overrated


    QB Michael Vick. Until he becomes a better pocket passer, he's always going to be in this spot. It can still happen for him, but it takes work. This is a huge year for him on the field -- if he stays there.

    Underrated

    DT Grady Jackson. Say all you want about his weight -- and he sure is big -- but he knows how to clog things up against the run. He does have to get healthy again.
    You have to be friggin kidding me! Until he becomes???? HE IS A NEVER WAS....

    I like Grady, but he can't stay on the field long enough to be considered underrated!
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    • #3
      I actually think this is a pretty good list.
      "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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      • #4
        Pete Prisco's opinion is worth about as much as the average poster here.

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        • #5
          David Carr underrated?

          He sucks...the guy simply makes HORRIBLE decisions on the field. I've seen plenty of film on him where he has guys open all over the field and simply can't unload the football.

          Whether he is just dumb or whether the horrible Texans OL allowed his brain to get beaten out of him...he's toast.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by The Leaper
            David Carr underrated?

            He sucks...the guy simply makes HORRIBLE decisions on the field. I've seen plenty of film on him where he has guys open all over the field and simply can't unload the football.

            Whether he is just dumb or whether the horrible Texans OL allowed his brain to get beaten out of him...he's toast.
            Look at what happened in 2005 to one of the NFLs greatest QBs ever when he had a shitty OL.

            29 INTs and a 4-12 record!

            Well that is how Carr had it every game since his rookie season in houston. The texans decision to pick up Tony Bosselli in the expansion draft and his failure to make it on the field and lead their OL doomed Carr from the start. He never had any protection and is currently of shell of the QB he was at Fresno State (where I saw just about all his games). He is not lost and when he gets his shot in Carolina, and he will get his shot, he will regain his confidence.

            Then you will see the guy the texans drafted. Not the guy they failed to build a team around.

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            • #7
              I don't think Franks is "overrated"... he's really not rated at all.

              Fits in perfect with TT's pedestrian vision for the offense though.
              wist

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MadtownPacker
                Originally posted by The Leaper
                David Carr underrated?

                He sucks...the guy simply makes HORRIBLE decisions on the field. I've seen plenty of film on him where he has guys open all over the field and simply can't unload the football.

                Whether he is just dumb or whether the horrible Texans OL allowed his brain to get beaten out of him...he's toast.
                Look at what happened in 2005 to one of the NFLs greatest QBs ever when he had a shitty OL.

                29 INTs and a 4-12 record!

                Well that is how Carr had it every game since his rookie season in houston. The texans decision to pick up Tony Bosselli in the expansion draft and his failure to make it on the field and lead their OL doomed Carr from the start. He never had any protection and is currently of shell of the QB he was at Fresno State (where I saw just about all his games). He is not lost and when he gets his shot in Carolina, and he will get his shot, he will regain his confidence.

                Then you will see the guy the texans drafted. Not the guy they failed to build a team around.
                Well, well, well. The Mex knows some ball, anyhow.

                No QB would've performed behind the Tex line. Carr has a helluva lot of skills and can still be effective for the Panthers. He can ease in behind Jake and will be a good QB again.

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                • #9
                  Imagine being Damien Woody. You play for the Lions, and somebody says you're overrated.
                  I can't run no more
                  With that lawless crowd
                  While the killers in high places
                  Say their prayers out loud
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                  A thundercloud
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by The Leaper
                    David Carr underrated?

                    He sucks...the guy simply makes HORRIBLE decisions on the field. I've seen plenty of film on him where he has guys open all over the field and simply can't unload the football.

                    Whether he is just dumb or whether the horrible Texans OL allowed his brain to get beaten out of him...he's toast.
                    If Favre weren't around, this kid would be talked about as the Iron Man of Football. In five years as a Texan, Carr started 60 out of 64 possible games, in those 60 games he was sacked a whopping 249 times. Too put that into perspective, in those five years Favre was sacked 84 times, Peyton Manning was sacked 85 times, and for even more perspective the Lions in that five year span allowed their QB's to be sacked 186 times, or 63 less times than Carr got hit. The kid had some major guts to go out there and take all of those sacks. Like Mad said, a bad line can make even the best QB's look crappy.

                    In his first two seasons, Carr averaged a mediocre 54.55 quarterback rating and threw 18 touchdowns to 28 interceptions. This was expected of him, considering he was given a piss poor expansion team and spent half of his time on his back.

                    In his remaining three seasons as a Texan, Carr averaged a 63.33 quarterback rating, which is actually a good rating as compared to Brett Favres 60.46 qb rating and Peyton Manning's 66.33 qb rating during the same three years.

                    Over those three seasons Carr threw 41 touchdowns to 37 interceptions, which averages out to 1 interception for every 1.1 touchdowns. Over those three seasons Manning threw an ungodly 108/29 or 1 interception for every 3.7 passes and Favre threw 68/64 or 1 interception for every 1.06 passes.


                    The point i'm trying to prove is that Carr is not a terrible quarterback, he isn't even a bad quarterback, he's actually a pretty good player, and if he were given an NFL team to work with he would be able to prove how good he actually is.

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                    • #11
                      This list looks like something someone put together by simply studying little SI team reports for a few days. I see no names here that are illuminating. Lots of regurgitation.
                      "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                      KYPack

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                      • #12
                        At this point, I'm willing to read even regurgitation...
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                        • #13
                          Carr's team unleashed on him after it was clear he was going somewhere else. Several team officials talked about how he held the ball too long, couldn't handle Kubiak's playbook, and how the coach lost confidence in the QB. The new regime thought he was a lost cause.

                          I think Jaws or someone did a film breakdown on him that demonstrated, at least in certain cases, he was his own worst enemy handling pressure. Drifting after the first read, stepping left or right when he could have bounced up in the pocket, etc..

                          That is one of the things I think Favre still does best, move in the pocket just enough to get the throw off. And not move so you compromise your lineman or get into more trouble. He's not a runner, but he has made more than his share of guys miss.

                          I'd be surprised, if this assessment isn't just self-serving, if Carr found greater success elsewhere. Someone, was it PFT(?), wondered if Tedford actually gave better QB coaching than some NFL staffs. Given that the college offensive game has gotten way more complex in the last twenty years (starting with Schnellenberger and Miami), that might be true.

                          Although Kubiak was thought to be the next QB guru, Elway may have skewed perceptions. Kubiak and Shanahan struggled with Griese and Plummer.
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                          • #14
                            Yes, it will be interesting to see how Cutler develops this year.

                            By the way, Zig, that's my favorite avatar of yours...
                            "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                            KYPack

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by pbmax
                              I think Jaws or someone did a film breakdown on him that demonstrated, at least in certain cases, he was his own worst enemy handling pressure. Drifting after the first read, stepping left or right when he could have bounced up in the pocket, etc..
                              I think I saw the exact same thing.

                              In one instance, the TE and slot WR ran 5 yard curl routes underneath and were both WIDE OPEN 8-10 yards from Carr on a short pass drop. He didn't spot EITHER guy, was looking downfield and took a sack a couple seconds later. His presence in the pocket was disturbing at best...I was shocked at how bad Carr was in terms of making crucial errors, even with years of experience.

                              While I agree that Houston did little to help Carr in terms of the OL, he did have weapons at the skill positions to utilize. However, Carr never seemed to develop any sense of timing or ability to read defenses quickly enough to get rid of the ball.

                              ANY quarterback can succeed when they have lots of time in the pocket. The ultimate test is how they do when they need to quickly read a defense, find the open receivers, and deliver the ball under pressure. Time and time again, Carr failed in Houston...despite having some very capable receiving targets to utilize. I don't see how that is suddenly going to change because of a new system.

                              And Favre failed in 2005 because of a lack of weapons to utilize...not because the OL was so horrific. Carr had weapons in Houston. He failed to take advantage of them. Favre would do just fine in Houston...because he can read a defense and get rid of the ball quickly.
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