Overrated-underrated players on NFL teams.

[BallHawk]

David Carr underrated?

He sucks...the guy simply makes HORRIBLE decisions on the field. I've seen plenty of film on him where he has guys open all over the field and simply can't unload the football.

Whether he is just dumb or whether the horrible Texans OL allowed his brain to get beaten out of him...he's toast.

Hmm. It puzzles me how he makes horrible decisions, yet lead the league in completion percentage. Can you explain this for me?

[The Leaper]

Hmm. It puzzles me how he makes horrible decisions, yet lead the league in completion percentage. Can you explain this for me?

Because his best pass is dumping off into the flat as soon as he feels pressure...which probably is the highest percentage pass to throw.

Can you explain for me how you can complete 68% of your passes and still throw more INTs than TDs?

Carr sucks. Just accept it. At least you won't have to incur the cost of a cap hit like the Texans had to.

[MadtownPacker]

And Favre failed in 2005 because of a lack of weapons to utilize...not because the OL was so horrific. Carr had weapons in Houston. He failed to take advantage of them. Favre would do just fine in Houston...because he can read a defense and get rid of the ball quickly.

Thats funny cuz I could have swore I saw him getting bumrushed every other play by the DL. As for Carr having all these "weapons", who besides WR Andre Johnson are you referring to? Can't say Carr didn't get Johnson the ball cuz he has made the Probowl (twice?) with Carr passing to him. So he used the weapon as much as possible.

Like I said, he is shellshocked and needs to regain his confidence. 2005 Favre would have done better in Houston but 1992 Favre would have likely suffered the same fate.

[Tarlam!]

...but 1992 Favre would have likely suffered the same fate.

That's bold!

I am not an experienced enough fan to argue, but my gut says, I disagree.

[MadtownPacker]

...but 1992 Favre would have likely suffered the same fate.

That's bold!

I am not an experienced enough fan to argue, but my gut says, I disagree.

Your gut also tells you to drink until you puke and pass out so what good is that.

What I meant is that Carr didnt get to develop into a system cuz he was too busy running for his life. Now when he feels any kind of pressure he folds. But I say he can be saved, Carolina agrees.

Favre was pupil to a guy (Walrus) who mentored several of his assistant coaches into head coaching gigs. He wasn't thrust into the starting role of an expansion team with expectations to be it's savior.

[Tarlam!]

Coupla points:

Favre wasn't a first overall pick, plus he had a garbage time year in Atlanta.

Both probably gave him a huge chip that ultimately propelled him to success. Those, for me crucial observations. still make me believe Favre would have reached greatness in Housten.

I think it'd be a safer bet to say, had Carr gone in the second round, and had he been relegated to the dungeons of a depth chart for a year,then found love from a new team (Favre cost us a 1st rounder after all) he would not be considered a bust by some today since he might of actually proven he can play in the nfl.

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Re: Overrated-underrated players on NFL teams.

Atlanta Falcons

Overrated

QB Michael Vick. Until he becomes a better pocket passer, he's always going to be in this spot. It can still happen for him, but it takes work. This is a huge year for him on the field -- if he stays there.

Underrated

DT Grady Jackson. Say all you want about his weight -- and he sure is big -- but he knows how to clog things up against the run. He does have to get healthy again.

IYou have to be friggin kidding me! Until he becomes???? HE IS A NEVER WAS....

I like Grady, but he can't stay on the field long enough to be considered underrated!

always thought Grady was a great player, just not worth the baggage and trouble he brings. Seems like he is currently trying to sue the Falcons for something erroneous (speling? ) !

[The Leaper]

Thats funny cuz I could have swore I saw him getting bumrushed every other play by the DL.

I didn't say that Favre had a good OL. I was pointing out that Favre was effectively able to avoid sacks by quickly reading defenses and getting rid of the ball. While Carr's OL certainly was ridiculous, Carr rarely helped himself by showing no ability to read the rush and step up in the pocket and by taking far too long to read the defense and find the openings.

As for Carr having all these "weapons", who besides WR Andre Johnson are you referring to?

Eric Moulds wasn't a horrible #2 WR last year, although the #2 guy previous to that was typically pretty bad. Bradford was #2 for awhile...not sure who else stunk it up as well. Carr had pretty decent TEs in the past to work with as well...Miller comes to mind, and Daniels was solid last year as a rookie. Dominick Davis was a pretty good RB when healthy. It isn't like Carr was shackled with a team like Tim Couch was...devoid of any offensive talent whatsoever.

Overall, Carr has had more to work with in the last 2-3 years than Favre has had.

Like I said, he is shellshocked and needs to regain his confidence. 2005 Favre would have done better in Houston but 1992 Favre would have likely suffered the same fate.

Did Favre have some kind of amazing OL in front of him in 1992? Hell no. He had a weak OL and had nothing to work with on offense other than Sharpe. He still put up better numbers than Carr ever has.

Carr very well may be shellshocked...but he also hasn't shown much development in his career either. He holds the ball too long, he doesn't make quick, decisive reads and he now has no confidence. The chances of any team getting Carr to rise like a phoenix from the ashes is slim to none.

[MadtownPacker]

Coupla points:

Favre wasn't a first overall pick, plus he had a garbage time year in Atlanta.

Both probably gave him a huge chip that ultimately propelled him to success. Those, for me crucial observations. still make me believe Favre would have reached greatness in Housten.

I think it'd be a safer bet to say, had Carr gone in the second round, and had he been relegated to the dungeons of a depth chart for a year,then found love from a new team (Favre cost us a 1st rounder after all) he would not be considered a bust by some today since he might of actually proven he can play in the nfl.

Thats exactly what Im saying you kangaroo murderer!!

Expectations for Carr where incredibly high and having to meet then on a team that to this day is still looking for it's identitiy was damn near impossible.

Had he being drafted to a team that already had a decent core and failed I might agreed but that wasn't the case and bottom line is he got a raw deal.

Im curious to see how Schaub does this season.

[Tarlam!]

That's funny how I get labelled a Kangaroo murderer when you own a website that has a Kangaroo being killed by a rat as its logo.....

[pbmax]

His average per completion was low, and his average per attempt was bad as well, even with a high completion percentage.

That's part of the debate in Houston. Was this the offense Kubiak dumbed down, or was this how Carr was reading the defense or feeling the heat?

Either way, with so many short gains from completions, the offense was moribund.

David Carr underrated?

He sucks...the guy simply makes HORRIBLE decisions on the field. I've seen plenty of film on him where he has guys open all over the field and simply can't unload the football.

Whether he is just dumb or whether the horrible Texans OL allowed his brain to get beaten out of him...he's toast.

Hmm. It puzzles me how he makes horrible decisions, yet lead the league in completion percentage. Can you explain this for me?

[MadtownPacker]

Did Favre have some kind of amazing OL in front of him in 1992? Hell no. He had a weak OL and had nothing to work with on offense other than Sharpe. He still put up better numbers than Carr ever has.

Carr very well may be shellshocked...but he also hasn't shown much development in his career either. He holds the ball too long, he doesn't make quick, decisive reads and he now has no confidence. The chances of any team getting Carr to rise like a phoenix from the ashes is slim to none.

In no way am I saying Carr is where Favre was at in the same stage of his career. Just using him as more of a measuring stick by saying if the OL sucks it has a huge effect on the QB.

What I bolded is exactly what I am saying. He HASN"T developed and that blame falls directly on the texans organization. FSU HC Pat Hill (who runs a prostyle offense) didn't have to dumb anything down for him. Yet Carr played great against big conference schools playing with players that would have also been considered lesser talent.

Something went wrong, I agree, but Carr has or maybe had the talent. With the right place and the right coach he still has a chance.

[MJZiggy]

It will be interesting to see if he can get rid of the ghosts chasing him. I also am interested to see if Schaub can deal with it too. I know that Houston's line is supposed to be better, I just can't believe it took this long to do anything about their o-line situation.