The Official ULTIMATE debate thread on TT!

[RashanGary]

Nice post by the way Fred's slacks.

[Rastak]

If I spend fifteen dollars on a red sail and the next guy spends ten on the same one but white, he's getting the advantage because he has five more dollars to spend on a lighter more arrowdynamic hull for example.

The advantage is lost if he pockets the 5, right?

[MadtownPacker]

Re: traitor

What's pathetic is you've never made one post here that has any FACTS to back it up. It's kool-aid drinking blind worship crap. According to you, every Packer player is a pro bowl guy.

Your just like a woman, you only understand what fits your opinion. I have stated several times, that Thompson has done some good things. I dis-agree with some of the things he's done. Being "anti TT" would mean I'd dis-agree with most of the things he's done. How hard is that to understand?

Now you wanna talk about spineless? Look in the mirror. Teddy does no wrong in your eyes. You except every move he makes without question. Loyalty does'nt mean brain-less.

The problem with people like you is you talk nothing but shit but have no balls to back it up. I'll put my money where my keyboard is. Walker will be a top 8 WR this season barring any major injury. I'll make it easy on ya. $20 is nothing. Put up or shut up. It's that simple. Why is it Driver is older than Walker but yet he's a stud and Walker is gonna lose it when he's that age? More stupid bs from you that has no basis in fact, but then what new?

Here is another one for ya. You've made several posts about how Morency is a #1 RB. I got $20 that says he does'nt gain 1000 rushing yards this season. Same ground-rule as above in regards to major injury.

IF GB makes it to the NFC championship, I'll gladly drive up there and remove your lips from Teddy's ass and plant mine there. However, Teddy has had enough time. If he's done his job, this team SHOULD make the play-offs. That is not some huge accomplishment. This team SHOULD improve every season IF he's doing his job.

As I've staed before, THIS season will tell us all we need to know about Teddy and the team's immediate future. I'm more than happy to stake my credibility on this season, but are you? No more BS excuses from you. If this team improves on last season's record and makes the play-offs, than I will admit to being wrong about Thompson and will never utter a single negative word about him. If this team does'nt improve on 8-8 and have a play-off spot, you grow up and join the real world!

I agree, my post suck but I'm not on here to feel better about myself so that's ok. If I was that good it would be my job. Is it yours?

I have nothing to say to the rest of the stupid shit in your post except this.

Come to the posters game. It is the 5th game of the season and by then we will have an idea of how the season is gonna go. Your profile says you are close to GB so getting there shouldn't be too hard. You don't even have to go to the game you can just go to the get together. Then you can repeat what you said in this post. I can assure you I will be there regardless of what the record is.

[the_idle_threat]

Errr, Mad ... I think Packnut's diatribe was directed at JustinHarrell/GregJennings/NickCollins/etc. rather than at you. As he's the "cerebral" rat and all, Packnut surely knows better than to phuck with you ... nobody's lookin to get shanked. :P :P :P

[the_idle_threat]

If I spend fifteen dollars on a red sail and the next guy spends ten on the same one but white, he's getting the advantage because he has five more dollars to spend on a lighter more arrowdynamic hull for example.

The advantage is lost if he pockets the 5, right?

If he breaks the five and it finds its way into some G-strings, then he gets some points for that IMO.

[the_idle_threat]

Nick (aka JH), that Packnut rebuttal is a classic!

It was a good slap-down but a bit too focused on another man's penis, IMO.

[Tarlam!]

It was a good slap-down but a bit too focused on another man's penis, IMO. |

Maybe, but it made me giggle more than I usually do...

[the_idle_threat]

Fair enough.

[Joemailman]

Whittiker was a starter in Sherman's system. Klemm was a cheap, cheap FA that didn't pan out.

That's where your loathing of TT comes from?

You gotta be kidding me. He doesn't overpay players. He will not be blackmailed.He doesn't contribute when salaries spiral into the stratesphere.

The man is prudent.

The fact that Woody is oblivious to our good fortune with TT doesn't surprise me, but, you Bretsky? I had you pegged for smarter...

You've made some generalization that I completely agree with about TT being prudent, not overpaying etc . But we also disagree on several specific instances that seem to be defining TT as well. To comment on a couple of your points in year one...

Whittaker was a very poor starter; Klemm was a bad signing. Under the GM's reign. I don't give the free pass out that easy. If they were unacceptable starters then a GM finds new ones...trades....free agency..etc. As I said TT needs to be accountable as he was a part of 4-12.

TT seems to have recovered well from those days on the OL by retooling well through the draft. He gets credit for that. Also seems to have rebuilt the defense well and the bottom quarter of the roster is certainly better than what he inherited.

As for free agency, I don't buy for a second into the everybody is overpaid mentality. There were fair finds out there that signed this year in positions of need for Green Bay. TT just chose not to play in free agency, or maybe he decided he was only going to play if he get extreme bargains.

I think he should also take some blame for losing Javon Walker (he learned from that one) and Ahman Green (who from reports he should have signed before free agency hit). You are right in that I don't like Rodgers; hope I'm wrong there.

And you are right in that I didn't love the Harrell pick, but I don't hate it either. More than the Harrell pick, I thought TT could have still drafted a top WR if he had the stones to trade up in the draft and get Jarrett or Rice. Lack of boldness.....letting the chips fall as they will and his refusal to modify his game and go for the gold.......all reasons I have a negative bias now.

In the end, TT IMO has made some good and some bad decisions. At the head of my view is the fact that I lack patience, and he moves way too slow for me in building a winner. I'm confident TT can draft well and build a decent roster for many years to come; I'm not confident that he'll make the bold moves needed to bring us a title.

Time will tell, and I'll be happy to admit I was wrong when we win a Super Bowl if it happens.

You are quite right that Klemm was a bust. That was TT's mistake. However, Whitticker was a 7th round pick that didn't work out. Unless you think TT told Sherman who should start, the fact that he was in the starting lineup was Rossley's and Shermans brainstorm. A run-of-the-mill veteran like Ruegamer would have been better. Sherman made some bad decisions that year, and starting Whitticker was one of them.

[RashanGary]

It's like if you know you're going to meet up with a girl and have sex. You don't go rub out out to Jenna Jamison at your computer desk right before you leave. You save it for the real girl.

That's what Thompson is doing. He's saving his load for real girl.

[Bretsky]

It's like if you know you're going to meet up with a girl and have sex. You don't go rub out out to Jenna Jamison at your computer desk right before you leave. You save it for the real girl.

That's what Thompson is doing. He's saving his load for real girl.

But while waiting for the real girl, why not fill in your needs with several along the way ?

[RashanGary]

Even better

[MadtownPacker]

Errr, Mad ... I think Packnut's diatribe was directed at JustinHarrell/GregJennings/NickCollins/etc. rather than at you. As he's the "cerebral" rat and all, Packnut surely knows better than to phuck with you ... nobody's lookin to get shanked. :P :P :P

Oh shit.... Damn! I just went back and checked and youre right. Aww, man I was tipping that Cuervo last night and got on here to check things outs before going to bed. I feel (deservedly so) like a major prick.

My sincerest apologizes Packnut. I was out of line even if you had said that stuff to me. I really hope you do come to the get together and the game so I can buy you some shots to make it up to you man.

[woodbuck27]

DAMNNNNN!!! Woody just kicked everyone's asses!

But your post tells why the team is looking up instead of down ole Woody. The part about 12-20 is what I mean.

In his first season he was 4-12 but with a HC that was not his pick and a team that was hurting badly. Lots of things went bad like traitor walker getting hurt, TMurph's career ending, Favre spraying the ball all over the field, etc. TT stuck to his guns and let the draft provide for the roster. The result was the worse season in over a decade.

Then in his second year he goes 8-8 with a HC of his choice, a roster full of his draft picks, including the #4 overall pick who became the sure thing he was hyped as being predraft, and a Favre that restrained himself (with M3's help) and played within the system. Some of the wins came the hard way and some of the losses where terrible but the end result was a younger, faster, stronger team then had been seen for some time. The way the season ended in the thick of the playoff chase and stomping the bears good left hunger and confidence in the hearts and minds of the player young and old.

So 4-12 becomes 8-8. Now what will 8-8 become? 12-4 would make the overall record for the TT era 24-24. Maybe that won't happen but I say it's better then 8-8 in '07 and that there my Canandian compadre is what I call improvement!

TT extends Mike Sherman's contract and then gives him crap on the OL. Why was that? Where is the consistency?

Mike Sherman got a really raw deal as our HC in 2005. The adversity due to injury was beyond horrific and that is beyond a question of. . . did we have depth.

How much talent loss can any NFL team suffer before it falls down to it's knees?

TT used a band-aid approach to re-tooling our OL in 2005. His help there for Mike Sherman amounted to. . . no help. That plus the loss of key talent (injuries to Gtreen ,Walker,Bubba a promising Terrence Murphy etc.) smacked our offense.

Those loss's also placed undo pressure on Favre. It all went in the toilet in 2005. The result no surprize at 4-12. NO !

I chock that up to TT not knowing what in 'H' he was doing. I still believe he's trying (I hope) to learn on the job.

I do believe that MS took the fall for that season and TT looked bad as all that went down. He appears as the giver and the taker. TT didn't look good.

I began to see right away as he took the GM's position. That TT wasn't a GM that was visable. He certainly showed himself as awkward in the manner of addresing situations publicly. He never revealed a plan.

Last season we had a new HC and predominately new coaching staff. A brand new offensive system to struggle with, plus rookies in the middle of the OL.

Yes ! Despite that. . . we went 8-8 and that seems encouraging. . but our SOS and the teams we defeated have to be considered along with who defeated us and how badly.

I am most concerned with how little TT did this off season, given our obvious needs on offense, based on results last season.

He did bugger all in our off season.

Where was the momentum push?

We have a tougher SOS this season and a HC that is in the second year of a three year contract and reallybPacker fans. . .how much support has TT given to him?

A CB named Walker doesn't cut it for me.

Some of us Packer fans have had to endure a very listless off season on TT's behalf. I was certainly one that hoped for a lot more from Ted Thompson. He failed to address needs and that is too obvious to me.

He was as I term it . . . ,' invisable '. Got that SC.

[woodbuck27]

The fact that Woody is oblivious to our good fortune with TT doesn't surprise me, but, you Bretsky? I had you pegged for smarter...

Tarlam :

1. Just what are your qualifications to determine smartness on this board?

I will follow that up by informing YOU Tarlam.

I pay a lot of attention to what is going on inside the Packers and also the NFL as a whole. This is a hobby that I pay strict attention to.

Anything but. . .my support for. . . all thing that are good Packer would be a difficult challenge for you Tarlam.

I'm just not all that pumped over Ted Thompson.

I also must make this very clear. I'm not in any way in possession of feeling of hatred for this poor sole.

I don't hate Ted Thompson. I hate the way he has played out his responsibilitys as our GM in the way he doesn't act and therefore lead to us not being competitive.

I really hate the way he has failed to support the talent of Brett Favre as his career winds down. That fact is shameful.

I don't hate Ted Thompson. With modesty intended. I am not capable of hate given to my personality and intellect. Ted Thompson certainly couldn't inspire that emotion (hatred) I deem as such weakness in another.

Having pointed that out. He has little obvious qualities that I can deem creditable to really think well of him. He fails to give me hope ( he's almost invisabe to invisable) and that isn't inspiring to me.

2. What is obvious, beyond the normal. . . that we should expect fr. a decent GM to manage the CAP. Should we laud TT with praise for doing his job there, at the expence of doing Dick All this off season?

Drafting for our future is a job that many here, are as well equipped to do as Ted Thompson. Yet you and some other's here laud him as some great draft genious. There hasn't been ample time to really declare on that.

What we have to see is 12-20 and a very slow off season and what that will lend to 2007.

GOD help us all.