HR Record vs TD record

[LL2]

This year Bonds will break the HR record and I do not want to see it. I hope ARod (not the Packer one) breaks it soon after Bonds or someone else. Favre will break the TD record within the first month of the season. Now, most think the HR record is the most hallowed record in all of sports. What do you guys think? I sure hope Favre gets national media attention for his record and not just some blurp on page 6 of the USA Today. I think the TD record is a hard one to break and you have to have toughness and durability and greatness to break it. Not just sit on your but half the day and just walk up to home plate and swing a bat.

[cheesner]

Re: HR Record vs TD record

This year Bonds will break the HR record and I do not want to see it. I hope ARod (not the Packer one) breaks it soon after Bonds or someone else. Favre will break the TD record within the first month of the season. Now, most think the HR record is the most hallowed record in all of sports. What do you guys think? I sure hope Favre gets national media attention for his record and not just some blurp on page 6 of the USA Today. I think the TD record is a hard one to break and you have to have toughness and durability and greatness to break it. Not just sit on your but half the day and just walk up to home plate and swing a bat.

The thing though is that the HR record is based entirely on personal capabilities. You are going head to head vrs many diffferent pitchers. Your performance does not rely on anyone else's help. Also, baseball is more traditional than football and the stats are more easily comparable to earlier generations of players. It is in my opinion, a more significant record.

The TD record is different. You not only rely on your WRs; but also in your pass blocking; offensive scheme; etc. in order to put up big numbers. Personally, I think Marino was the best of all time. He didn't have a very good supporting cast around him. If you put him on the 49ers of the same era, his numbers would even be more impressive. Joe Montana was a great QB, but I think he gets more credit than he should. He had great receivers and a system that utilized many short quick easy passes.

[b bulldog]

I think both records will fall soon after they are broken this year. Manning will own all the records at the QB position and Arod will own the homerun record if he stays healthy. Brett's most impressive record to me is his contiued games played.

[MJZiggy]

I've heard Favre say that's the one he's most proud of, Bulldog. HR might have once been the greatest record, but they trashed it when the drugged their way into better performances. Maybe there's some of that going on in the NFL, but I highly doubt Brett Favre is on steroids.

[packinpatland]

I've heard Favre say that's the one he's most proud of, Bulldog. HR might have once been the greatest record, but they trashed it when the drugged their way into better performances. Maybe there's some of that going on in the NFL, but I highly doubt Brett Favre is on steroids.

Altho I agree that it's extremely unlikely that Favre has ever used 'enhancing' drugs.............there are alot of us who do think he's a superman!

[PackerBlues]

The home run record may have been, or may even be, the most "hallowed" record in all of sports, but it lost a lot of meaning with the steroid scandal. It was uglier than it should have been, considering that the government had to get involved to help clean it up. And yet, Barry Bonds is going to break the HR record. I would like to say that I could care less, but I think its a disgrace to the record and to baseball that Bonds is even allowed a shot at the record. There is always going to be a star next to his his name in the record books, pointing out that he was a steroid freak at the time that he was making his run at the record.


That being said, Favre breaking the TD record held by Marino, is huge. Marino, Elway, Montana......they all played until they were damn near 40. So Favre is closing in on their records and beating them after having played a comparable amount of time.
The thing that I am going to enjoy most as Favre breaks these records this year, is listening to all of the "talking heads" that have been screaming for Favre to retire........how moronic do you think they are going to feel with their stupid comments layed bare, as Favre attains all of the records? At least Favre still has the skills and the motivation to keep on competing at a high level. I HATED watching Bruce Smith going after Reggie Whites Sack record. The guy was washed up for a couple of years before he took the record away from Reggie. It was pure hell watching Smith running around looking for a pile with a QB under it, to flop on top of.

As far as Manning coming along behind Favre, to break Favres records......if anyone has a shot at it, its Manning. Its just a shame that Favre cannot get the same support from the Packer organization, that Manning has gotten from the Colts so far. Or for that matter that Brady has gotten from the Patriots. This is a time that the Packer organization should be expending every resource available, and using every option available to them, to help Favre put some distance between himself and guys like Manning. You can argue all you want that its the GB Packers, and not the "Favre Bay Packers", but if its all about winning anyways.............


(heh heh......and if Favre is Superman, that must make Ted Thompson, Lex Luthor.......with a hand full of Kryptonite. )

[oregonpackfan]

I strongly agree with the posters who believe the inevitable HR record to be established by Bonds is indeed tainted by steroid usuage.

Several months ago, Sports Illustrated had an excellent article documenting the sudden physical changes Bonds underwent in his 30's--increased muscle mass, hat size increased by 1 and 1/2, shoe size increased 3 sizes, acne on this upper back, etc. All those changes strongly indicated steroid usuage.

If and when Favre breaks the TD record, it will probably not generate the same hoopla as the HR record. The home run record in "America's National Pastime" remains the most revered record in American sports whether we like it or not.

Hank Aaron has more character in his pinky finger than Barry Bonds has in all of his steroid-enhanced body, IMO.

[LL2]

I HATED watching Bruce Smith going after Reggie Whites Sack record. The guy was washed up for a couple of years before he took the record away from Reggie. It was pure hell watching Smith running around looking for a pile with a QB under it, to flop on top of.

I couldn't agree more. Smith kept play for no reason other than to get the record. When he got the record I felt like he didn't earn it like Reggie did.

[RashanGary]

Didn't Reggie lose a couple years in that failed football league of the 80's?

[KYPack]

Didn't Reggie lose a couple years in that failed football league of the 80's?

Sure did.

After college, White signed with the Memphis Showboats of the USFL, & played for two seasons, while racking up 23.5 sacks, 192 tackles and seven forced fumbles in 36 starts.

Bruce Smith was a hoss & all, but Reggie had a unique blend of speed, natural strength, quickness and ferocity. He has everything going for him including leadership.

Reggie's record would still be intact if he went in the NFL at a young age.

Memphis signed him younger than NFL rules allowed then.

[mraynrand]

I think the massive lack of interest in Bonds breaking the home run record speaks volumes about how tainted the record is by steroids and how disliked Bonds is. I couldn't care less.

But in fairness, I don't care much about Favre breaking the TD record.
Manning breaking the record will depend on how healthy he remains and whether they can keep an offense around him. It's not a certainty.

[4and12to12and4]

I hate to be the devil's advocate here, but, come on guys, I feel sorry for the scrutiny that Bonds has been put under over this steroids issue. First off, everyone knows that especially throughout the 90's just about EVERYONE was on steroids. I mean, even Roger Clemons was (and probably still is) taking them. So, why do we pick on Bonds constantly. Look, even though steroids obviously played a part in his added mass, it doesn't make it easier to swing a bat and make perfect contact with a curveball or 98 mph fastball. If steroids was the reason for him hitting 70 plus homers, and Maguire and Sosa having their incredible season, then why didn't all other players hit 60 to 70 homers also. I know many were hitting 30 and 40 when in the eighties 40 was incredible, but even so, most players were on steroids, and only a handful put up ridiculous numbers. Also, the pitchers were taking them too, so it sort of evens out the playing field.

Look at tape of football players in the 80's compared to now, and it is also ridiculous how huge everyone is in comparison. I assume that most NFL players ARE on steroids today. The size and speed of these guys have ballooned in the last 20 years. So, why is baseball taking so much shit for it. Who's to say Brett isn't on steroids? It is so easy to pass the testing in both sports, anyone who isn't a complete idiot can get away with it.

As far as the argument that in football there are many more variables, the receivers, line, etc., well, much of Bond's success relates to the type of pitching he has to face, and the protection he has batting behind him. He has never had an offensive juggernaut of players batting after him, thus, he almost never sees a strike. Isn't he already over 100 walks again this year? It's ridiculous. He probably sees one good pitch per at bat if he's lucky. Bonds is one of the, if not the greatest offensive baseball player to ever grace a baseball field. Period. Steroids or not. Unfortunately, steroids is a part of ALL proffesional sports, but baseball just gets singled out more than any other. That frustrates me more than the usage itself.

[mraynrand]

I hate to be the devil's advocate here, but, come on guys, I feel sorry for the scrutiny that Bonds has been put under over this steroids issue. First off, everyone knows that especially throughout the 90's just about EVERYONE was on steroids. I mean, even Roger Clemons was (and probably still is) taking them. So, why do we pick on Bonds constantly.

Because we KNOW he used steroids and we KNOW he's an unpleasant fellow.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I mean, even Roger Clemons was (and probably still is) taking them.

You state this like it's fact.

[mraynrand]

I mean, even Roger Clemons was (and probably still is) taking them.

You state this like it's fact.

Roger Clemons lives right next door to me and I know for a fact he doesn't use steroids.