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  • #46
    From ESPN:

    A grand jury indicted Atlanta Falcons' quarterback Michael Vick on Tuesday, which at least partially answers one question that has lingered since the news first broke about an alleged dogfighting operation on property owned by Vick in Virginia: Was Vick involved? Obviously, we know now that investigators believe he was.


    There are plenty of football-related issues still to be resolved about Vick's future with the Falcons and the NFL, but those might be the least of his concerns right now. Questions about his legal future abound at the moment. Here are some answers.

    What do these federal charges mean for Michael Vick?

    Vick is in real trouble. He is up against the might and majesty of the U.S. government with all of its agents, all of its investigative techniques, and all of its skilled prosecutors. If he has any doubts about the power and skill of the forces arrayed against him, he can call Scooter Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Cheney, or he can call Lord Conrad Black, the disgraced media mogul now facing time in a federal penitentiary. If he still isn't convinced, he can call Jeff Skilling, the zillionaire Enron CEO who is now residing in a federal pen. All three of them hired brilliant (and expensive) lawyers. All three thought they could explain their way out from under federal charges. And all three were convicted. Vick can, and probably will, hire some of America's best defense lawyers, but they will face a serious battle.

    Would Vick be sent to jail if he is convicted?

    Yes. It's hard to imagine any other outcome. The charges are serious, and the evidence against Vick presented at trial will be nasty. The government's case includes evidence that Vick and his cohorts "tested" pit bulls for ferocity. If the dogs failed the test, the indictment charges, they were executed by hanging or drowning. In one case, with Vick present, the indictment says a dog was slammed to the ground until it was dead. In another incident, a dog was soaked with a hose and then electrocuted. Those aren't the sort of transgressions that lead to probation and community service. It's the kind of behavior that results in punishment, and the punishment will be jail time.

    What is the next step for Vick?

    Vick will now watch to see which of his three co-defendants will be the first to make a deal with federal prosecutors. Each of them will think seriously about turning on Vick and offering testimony against him in return for less time in jail. Vick obviously is the prime target of the government effort. Prosecutors and agents will be willing to talk with his co-defendants about a deal if they are willing to help prove the case against Vick. The government indictment discloses four witnesses who have already agreed to testify against him. If all three of his co-defendants join these four witnesses against Vick, he and his lawyers might suggest that he, too, should talk to the government about a deal that would minimize his time in jail.

    Vick is charged with "conspiracy" and violations of the "Travel Act." What does that mean?

    The conspiracy charge will make things extra difficult for Vick and his lawyers. Under federal laws, the conspiracy charge allows federal prosecutors to link Vick to things that occurred even if he was not present. If the prosecutors can connect the four defendants, then crimes committed by one of them can be used to add to the evidence against the others. It's a tricky legal procedure that prosecutors love and defense lawyers detest. The Travel Act is a device invented by Robert F. Kennedy when he was Attorney General in the early '60s. It was designed for use against organized crime and made it easier to prove cases against hoodlums. In the sports world, it was used most recently in the Salt Lake City Winter Olympics bribery scandal. Federal prosecutors charged the Utah organizers under the Travel Act and proved millions of dollars in bribes. Vick, however, can take some hope from the fact that U.S. District Judge David Sam found the organizers not guilty of violating the Travel Act, even though there was powerful evidence of bribery.

    What was Vick's role in the dogfighting conspiracy described in the indictment?

    According to the indictment, Vick was in the middle of everything from beginning to end. He purchased a vacant piece of property for $34,000, the indictment says. He then had sheds built for training dogs and staging fights and a fence erected to shield the operation from view. And finally, the indictment says, he had a two-story frame house with a basketball court put up as a residence for the people taking care of the dogs. If you believe the indictment, the Vick property had everything anyone could want in a dogfighting operation.

    When would Vick's trial begin?

    The federal courthouse in Richmond, Va., is the home of the nationally recognized "rocket docket." Cases move quickly in Richmond, more quickly than in any other courthouse in the federal system. Vick's lawyers will be looking for delays and for time to prepare a defense, but the trial likely would begin in a matter of four to six months.

    Are the federal authorities in Richmond tough on crime?

    Ask Ralph Sampson, the former NBA star. He fell behind in child support payments to seven children that he had with four women, the kind of thing that is ordinarily worked out in a settlement. But instead of a settlement, Sampson found himself charged with felonies in federal court. And then, very quickly, he found himself in jail for two months on a child support charge. Yes, they're tough on crime in Richmond, and they might be particularly tough on crimes involving the torture and killing of dogs.

    ESPN.com's Lester Munson is a Chicago lawyer and journalist who has been reporting on investigative and legal issues in the sports industry for 18 years.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Rastak
      Vick's lawyers will be looking for delays and for time to prepare a defense, but the trial likely would begin in a matter of four to six months.

      Smack dab in the middle of the season.

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      • #48
        Vick scheduled to make first court appearance on July 26

        By Len Pasquarelli
        ESPN.com
        (Archive)

        Updated: July 18, 2007, 5:59 PM ET

        ATLANTA -- If the goal of Atlanta Falcons management was to keep Michael Vick's legal entanglements from interrupting matters on the field and limiting distractions as they relate to football matters, they have already failed.

        According to a summons issued Wednesday, the Falcons' quarterback is scheduled to make his first court appearance after being indicted by a federal grand jury on July 26. Vick faces multiple charges related to an alleged dogfighting ring at a home he owned in Virginia. July 26 is the same day the Falcons are scheduled for the initial on-field practice under first-year coach Bobby Petrino.

        So instead of being in the huddle for the first training camp practice of what many NFL observers contend is the most crucial season of his career, Vick will be in a Richmond, Va., courtroom.

        The quarterback is to appear for a 3:30 p.m. bond hearing in front of U.S. Magistrate Judge Dennis Dohnal. That will be followed by a 4 p.m. arraignment before U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson, who would likely be the presiding judge if Vick goes to trial.

        HSUS starts campaign
        against Vick
        On Wednesday, officials from the Humane Society of United States and PETA called for the immediate suspension of Michael Vick. The HSUS launched an e-mail campaign to the NFL on its Web site.

        "The NFL has had 24 hours to digest this, and I guess they're still digesting it," John Goodwin, deputy manager of the HSUS' animal cruelty campaign, said. "But in our view, what needs to be done is crystal clear.

        "... This is not a situation where they can treat him with kid gloves," Goodwin said. "This guy is supposed to be a role model, and he's doing things like [allegedly] slamming dogs to the ground, hanging dogs, fighting dogs. The NFL says it has a higher standard. They need to prove that."
        The Falcons are scheduled to practice at 3 p.m.

        While the timing of Vick's court appearance on a federal indictment filed Tuesday is certainly inconvenient from a football standpoint, it is still better than some of his advisors thought it might be. There was some feeling in the Vick camp that he might have to appear within a day or two of the indictment being filed.

        The court proceedings are expected to be brief. Bond will likely be set, and Vick will pay it and then be released. The expectation is that he will rejoin his teammates for the Friday practice, which is scheduled for 8:30 a.m.

        That is assuming, of course, that neither the league nor the Falcons impose any sanctions against Vick before training camp begins. Falcons owner Arthur Blank arrived back here early Wednesday morning after a trip to Africa and was to spend much of the day reviewing Vick's situation. Sources close to the situation said there has already been dialogue between Falcons' officials and the league office.

        Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.

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        • #49
          The idiot better get to snitching on all his homies before they drop the dime on his ass first.

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          • #50
            Anybody that does this type of shit should fry.

            The thing that makes America so damned compelling for the rest of us is your "innocent until proven guilty" ethic.

            I bet, he is guilty, too. But, I haven't heard the case yet. So, I appeal to all PRs to await the outcome of the trial.

            Until he is found guilty, we need to give Vick the benefit of the doubt. As a society, we owe it to him.

            I am not defending Vick. I am praising the Constitution of The United States of America.

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            • #51
              Tarlam, the federal prosecutors are big time people already. They have a reputation to uphold and bringing in cases without evidence is considered amatuer and frowned upon. These guys are the best of the best of the best in our country and if they are going to bring someone in, they are going to do it with enough evidence to get a conviction. This is according to a lawyer on the Rome show anyway.


              Vick doesn't stand much of a chance and the court of public opinion might as well start considering him guilty because the prosecutures never would have brought him in unless they could prove he was.
              Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by JustinHarrell
                Vick doesn't stand much of a chance and the court of public opinion might as well start considering him guilty because the prosecutures never would have brought him in unless they could prove he was.
                So by your logic, the federal prosecutors have never lost a case?
                Busting drunk drivers in Antarctica since 2006

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by falco
                  Originally posted by JustinHarrell
                  Vick doesn't stand much of a chance and the court of public opinion might as well start considering him guilty because the prosecutures never would have brought him in unless they could prove he was.
                  So by your logic, the federal prosecutors have never lost a case?

                  They have a 95% conviction rate. They usually won't bring a case forward unless they are sure and have all ducks in a row. Unlike some local proesecutors (like that idiot during the Duke Lacrosse fiasco) they don't build a case on hunches. He may be not guilty but if I were a betting man, I'd say this scumbag was up to his ears in this cruel bullshit. Just looking at only the publicly available evidence it's pretty convincing. I can only imagine the feds put together alot more than that.

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                  • #54
                    "innocent until proven guilty" is for the courts, not for personal opinions.

                    OJ did it, and he was proven innocent.

                    I don't think cruelty to animals offenses should carry long prison sentences. Six months sounds right. If we treat animals like humans, than we really all ought to go to prison for not being vegetarians. And isn't fishing cruel, getting dragged along by a hook in your mouth sounds like torture to me.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by MadtownPacker
                      The idiot better get to snitching on all his homies before they drop the dime on his ass first.
                      Not if they confess and take all the blame for him... Then he could end up paying them for taking the jail time when they get out...

                      ^ I hope to god that DOES NOT HAPPEN...

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                      • #56
                        I wouldn't be surprised a bit if everyone involved developed amnesia or started dying in "accidents".
                        "Once the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic.”
                        – Benjamin Franklin

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Merlin
                          I wouldn't be surprised a bit if everyone involved developed amnesia or started dying in "accidents".

                          So Vick compounds it by going Rae Carruth? Nah.....

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                          • #58
                            How about as punishment we find a pack of ravenous dogs and put Vick in a cage with them and tie some raw stakes to his body? Seems fitting.

                            I think even if he is found not guilty, he will still suffer in the court of public opinion, and he will never be the same. Fair or not, that's how it typically works.

                            I think Arthur Blank should sit him out for the season with pay until this whole thing can be resolved. This is not throwing Vick under the bus or saying you think he's guilty. If he's convicted, he's done anyway. If he's found not guilty, then at least he has been away from the club and hasn't been a direct distraction to the team week after week. I see no way they can let Vick take the field and participate with the team under the circumstances, even though he's only been indicted. It's going to be too big of a distraction for many reasons.
                            "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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                            • #59
                              Read the indictments for "Ookie" and his friends, pretty sick shit. People have been raising dogs to fight for a very long time but most do not treat their animals anything like this and I was surprised they found so many dead dogs on the property. Vick is done. Goodell is going to have to do something soon. The Feds did their homework on this one and the odds of him getting off are pretty slim. But you never know...anything can happen in court.
                              C.H.U.D.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Freak Out
                                Read the indictments for "Ookie" and his friends, pretty sick shit. People have been raising dogs to fight for a very long time but most do not treat their animals anything like this and I was surprised they found so many dead dogs on the property. Vick is done. Goodell is going to have to do something soon. The Feds did their homework on this one and the odds of him getting off are pretty slim. But you never know...anything can happen in court.

                                It will be interesting to see what Goodell does; I don't think he wants anything to do with this until Vick is found guilty, but who knows.
                                TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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