Mike Vick Indicted

[Rastak]

Awhile back, there was an interview on TV where they said Vick was one of the 'big dogs' and would consistently bet large sums of cold hard cash on the fights (he'd take bets on his dogs).

The prosecutors need to find and plea bargain some of these eye witnesses as well as trace the purchases to Vick (seems they've done some of this already).

Hard pill to swallow - but actions will invariably catch up and the easy life you led can easily turn if these actions were negative.

"the name is Du-Mass"

I'm pretty certain the feds did all that BEFORE they brought it before a grand jury. Vicks mentally challenged cousin may even be one. You'll recall this genius suggested the feds planted 54 live dogs on Vicks property. I'm not sure if he has a severe brain injury or he's just a naturally born moron but either way it's almost funny. Word is they have 4 guys lined up to testify....who knows if that is true but if it is, adios arsehole.

[KYPack]

Nike announced Vick has been dropped from their payroll tonite.

[Harlan Huckleby]

As a dog owner/lover, I can't fathom how any person would treat an animal that only wants to please humans so terribly.

Harlan, you seem a little lukewarm in the defense of your four footed brothers.

Pointless cruelty to animals should be punished. But a long prison sentence for Vick effectively says a dog has the same rights/value as a human.

We tolerate a LOT of suffering by animals. JustinHarrell gave bow hunting example, which I was also thinking of. I'm for looking at things honestly, stripping away emotional/cultural bias.

I think it should be legal for Koreans or anybody else to serve dog in restaraunts. A dog is less intelligent than a pig; allowing one animal to be eaten and not the other is just cultural bullying.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Some black guy was on 107.5 this morning saying he's been to dog fights and it is a great party. He said there were white women, black women, it was a rush. He said Vick did it becuase "You can take the guy out of the ghetto but you can't take the ghetto out of the guy".

This is a really good point. That's not to say that dog-fighting should be legal.

Cock-fighting is a HUGE deal across Latin America. (I'm not refering to the sword fights that Madtown hosts.)

[Freak Out]

I see HH's point as far as where do you draw the line. I think it's sick and wrong but at the same time people wound and slowly kill deer with arrows that often times miss the target. People rip hooks out of a fishes mouth and sometimes guts. It's always a grey line with the law.

I personally beleive you should be able to do whatever you please as long as it doesn't hurt others. I'm beginning to extend that beyond the life of just people. Life is life. We live here in harmony with our surroundings. We should not hurt it unless needed IMO.

I've gone hunting and fishing. I've shot one deer and it didn't feel good. Honestly, the thing just looked at me and I shot it straight through the chest. It curled up as I shot it and then jumped. It ran away and blead to death. I didn't feel good about that at all. I went hunting the next year and let a 6 point buck go. I could have shot it, I just got no pleasure in killing the thing. If I was reallly hungry and needed it, it would be different but to just kill the thing to kill it felt wrong to me after experiencing killing one the year before.

I don't know, I think it feels awfull and wrong but until we start protecting all life from torturous acts, HH and Portis certainly have a point. Why this but not that? Dog fighting seems to be a bit of a ghetto culture. Some black guy was on 107.5 this morning saying he's been to dog fights and it is a great party. He said there were white women, black women, it was a rush. He said Vick did it becuase "You can take the guy out of the ghetto but you can't take the ghetto out of the guy". He was just some caller. It's their tradition. We might not understand it and we might feel all cozy for a dog but I assure you, if you saw a gentle animal look you in the eye as you pulled the trigger killing it, you'd feel similar about a deer yet we have no laws against that. There is definitly a grey line here.

I've hunted all my life and there is no comparison between me shooting a moose with my 375 to make steaks and sausage out of and Vick electrocuting a dog because it did not perform in the hole.

[Tarlam!]

Hey Perry Mason, this ain't a courtroom. I don't appreciate you telling me what we "owe" Mike Vick. Speak for yourself.

The Constitution of the United States does not govern the court of public opinion.

Firstly, I am surprised that you take personal offense at a collective statement and pull it into a context that suits you being insulted. I didn't mean my remarks as a personal attack on anyone, so I apologize to all.

However, I see the amount of hate towards Vick on this thread and it makes me wonder if he can expect a "fair and unbiased" trial.

I doubt it, and I admit, that is somewhat disturbing.

[Kiwon]

Tarlam!, our opinions are just our opinions. We can stop buying the athletic shoes bearing his name but we can't put him in prison.

A basic assumption of the American judicial system is that the accused is innocent until proven guilty. The system generally works fairly well, even in high profile cases.

In America, the system is tilted to protect the individual and limit the power of the State. In contrast, in Korea, for example, the prosecution gets three chances to prove an accused person's guilt. Their system is tilted in favor of the State.

Michael Vick will have a fair trial if there is no plea bargain prior to that point. Most cases conclude with the accused pleading out in exchange for a lighter sentence. Once the gravity of the situation sinks in this is probably what Vick will eventually do.

Moral guilt and legal guilt are two different things. The moral outrage directed toward Vick will have no bearing on whether he can have a fair trial or not.

[Rastak]

As a dog owner/lover, I can't fathom how any person would treat an animal that only wants to please humans so terribly.

Harlan, you seem a little lukewarm in the defense of your four footed brothers.

Pointless cruelty to animals should be punished. But a long prison sentence for Vick effectively says a dog has the same rights/value as a human.

We tolerate a LOT of suffering by animals. JustinHarrell gave bow hunting example, which I was also thinking of. I'm for looking at things honestly, stripping away emotional/cultural bias.

I think it should be legal for Koreans or anybody else to serve dog in restaraunts. A dog is less intelligent than a pig; allowing one animal to be eaten and not the other is just cultural bullying.

What?!!!!!

Do honestly believe he'll get the same sentence as if he killed 8 people and forced people to fight to the death?


He'd be executed HH. I have a feeling his sentence will be slightly less than that.

[GrnBay007]

Michael Vick will "more than likely" be prosecuted by local authorities in addition to the conspiracy charge he now faces in federal court, Surry County Commonwealth's Attorney Gerald Poindexter said Wednesday. Poindexter's remark came a day after a federal grand jury indicted the NFL star and three associates. The 18-page document included detailed accusations that Vick helped establish a dog fighting venture in rural Surry County in 2001; gambled heavily on fights, including some in other states; and participated in the execution of dogs that didn't perform well. -- Virginian-Pilot

Wasn't Poindexter somewhat insulted when the Feds took over the investigation?

[Rastak]

Michael Vick will "more than likely" be prosecuted by local authorities in addition to the conspiracy charge he now faces in federal court, Surry County Commonwealth's Attorney Gerald Poindexter said Wednesday. Poindexter's remark came a day after a federal grand jury indicted the NFL star and three associates. The 18-page document included detailed accusations that Vick helped establish a dog fighting venture in rural Surry County in 2001; gambled heavily on fights, including some in other states; and participated in the execution of dogs that didn't perform well. -- Virginian-Pilot

Wasn't Poindexter somewhat insulted when the Feds took over the investigation?

Yea, he's a piece of work...."if the collar don't fit you must acquit....."

[Scott Campbell]

However, I see the amount of hate towards Vick on this thread and it makes me wonder if he can expect a "fair and unbiased" trial.

I doubt it, and I admit, that is somewhat disturbing.

Did the amount of hatred towards OJ affect his ability to receive a fair and unbiased trial. There are better things to go be disturbed about.

[Scott Campbell]

.................. allowing one animal to be eaten and not the other is just cultural bullying.

.........it was only a matter of time until you began speaking out against veal chops.

[Scott Campbell]

But a long prison sentence for Vick effectively says a dog has the same rights/value as a human.

Oh boy, here comes the moral relativism. What a complete waste of time. By that sort of logic: I suppose that OJ's crimes against humans was worse, and he didn't do any jail time. Therefore Mike Vick shouldn't do any jail time?

Dog fighting is bad and illegal. Animal torture is bad and illegal. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Mike Vick knows that. Everybody knows that. And he didn't just barely cross over the line as a participant. He allegedly crossed way over the line as an organizer. You do the crime, you pay the time.

[Scott Campbell]

I'm for looking at things honestly, stripping away emotional/cultural bias.

This sort of view is exactly what the people who wish to continue dog fighting and animal torture need. Softies. There Saturday night entertainment depends on this.

[Scott Campbell]

But a long prison sentence for Vick effectively says a dog has the same rights/value as a human.

It says what?

Are you really serious?

Don't you think that's a bit of a stretch?