Mike Vick Indicted

[Harlan Huckleby]

I've hunted all my life and there is no comparison between me shooting a moose with my 375 to make steaks and sausage out of and Vick electrocuting a dog because it did not perform in the hole.

First of all, nobody is suggesting that Vick didn't commit a crime. Everybody wants to see him do some prison time, it's just a matter of weighing his crime, given how animals are generally treated.

And this is NOT an anti-hunting thread. But l if you think about bow-hunting, is that not allowing horrible suffering by an intelligent animal for the sporting enertainment of humans? Is this so very different from dog fighting? Or bullfighting?

We've agreed as a society that animals have FAR less value and rights than humans, they are property. If you get tired of your mutt, you legally can drive him down to the vet and order a summary execution. If you want to murder a relative who comes to live with you, you have to be much more clever about it.

[Harlan Huckleby]

.................. allowing one animal to be eaten and not the other is just cultural bullying.

.........it was only a matter of time until you began speaking out against veal chops.

actually my argument is for eating veal chops.

[Harlan Huckleby]

But a long prison sentence for Vick effectively says a dog has the same rights/value as a human.

Oh boy, here comes the moral relativism. What a complete waste of time. By that sort of logic: I suppose that OJ's crimes against humans was worse, and he didn't do any jail time. Therefore Mike Vick shouldn't do any jail time?

I can't follow what you are saying, it appears to be some sort of straw man argument. I don't even recognize the straw man.

But the law certainly is based on moral relativism, especially when it comes to sentencing. We don't impose the same penalties on every crime. For instance, a "crime of passion" gets a lower penalty than a premeditated crime, this is moral relativism that society has set. And within sentencing guidelines, the particular cirucmstances of an individual are also considered by the judge.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Do honestly believe he'll get the same sentence as if he killed 8 people and forced people to fight to the death?

He'd be executed HH. I have a feeling his sentence will be slightly less than that.

Well, right, I suppose even a 10-year prison sentence would be a light sentence for a mass murderer.

My opinion is that cruelty to animals should NEVER carry more than a 6-month prison sentence, under any circumstances. It has nothing to do with my outrage (or lack thereof) over the acts. I just think we have to be consistent in our treatment of animals, it should be based on principles, not emotions.

[Rastak]

Do honestly believe he'll get the same sentence as if he killed 8 people and forced people to fight to the death?

He'd be executed HH. I have a feeling his sentence will be slightly less than that.

Well, right, I suppose even a 10-year prison sentence would be a light sentence for a mass murderer.

My opinion is that cruelty to animals should NEVER carry more than a 6-month prison sentence, under any circumstances. It has nothing to do with my outrage (or lack thereof) over the acts. I just think we have to be consistent in our treatment of animals, it should be based on principles, not emotions.

What should violating RICO laws carry? Operating a gambling operation across state lines?

I'll tell ya what, we'll give him 6 months for cruelty to animals and 10 years for the federal conspiricy charges related to but not directly for cruelty to animals. Would that make you feel better? I'd be fine either way.

[Harlan Huckleby]

who is that Sooner guy in your pic? I assume it is some Viking twit, but I don't recongnize him.

edit: oh, wait, it must be the running back that the vikes drafted, peterson.

[Rastak]

who is that Sooner guy in your pic? I assume it is some Viking twit, but I don't recongnize him.

edit: oh, wait, it must be the running back that the vikes drafted, peterson.

Way to change the subject HH....you'll know who it is soon enough!


Bwahahaha.....

sorry, training starts soon so I'm getting fired up....

[Harlan Huckleby]

change the subject? argument was over - you graciously conceded. I was being magnaminous in victory.

[Zool]

who is that Sooner guy in your pic? I assume it is some Viking twit, but I don't recongnize him.

edit: oh, wait, it must be the running back that the vikes drafted, peterson.

Way to change the subject HH....you'll know who it is soon enough!


Bwahahaha.....

sorry, training starts soon so I'm getting fired up....

As much as I do not respect McKinley, I do not like the prospect of facing Peterson twice a year for the next decade. If the kid stays healthy, he's gonna terrorize a lot of people.

[Zool]

change the subject? argument was over - you graciously conceded. I was being magnaminous in victory.

Magnamity is the the cornerstone of any good relationship

[Harlan Huckleby]

you'll know who it is soon enough!


Bwahahaha.....

Well, don't get too cocky. We got a colored fellow in our backfield too. Name's Noah - the Northwestern Nightmare. Be very afraid.

[Jimx29]

DOH!!!


[quote]Chrysler pulls SUV ad with electrocuted dog
Internet video ad pulled from YouTube was in 'exremely poor taste' says Chrysler.
July 20 2007: 12:51 PM EDT

DETROIT (Reuters) -- Chrysler Group apologized on Thursday for an advertisement that showed a dog being electrocuted beside its new Dodge Nitro sports utility vehicle.

The ad, created by BBDO Netherlands which supports Chrysler's sales in the Dutch market, shows a dog being electrocuted after urinating on a Nitro's wheels. The agency is part of Omnicom Group Inc's BBDO Worldwide.

The ad, which ends with the dog going up in flames, has the tagline "charged with adrenaline." According to Chrysler, the ad was placed exclusively on the Internet.

"Chrysler Group was dismayed to discover that an advertisement created by an ad agency supporting our Netherlands Market Performance Center goes far beyond the bounds of what the company considers appropriate," Chrysler said in a statement.

The company said the ad included "fictional yet inappropriate treatment of an animal" and said it was "in extremely bad taste."

"Although European commercials -- especially 'viral' ads like this one -- are often edgier, this one went over the edge," Chrysler said in the statement. The company said it was "investigating the origins of this commercial."
Hybrid lovers: The honeymoon may be over

Chrysler had the ad pulled from YouTube.com. It was unclear if it was on other Web sites.

This is not the first time Chrysler has run into controversy for its advertising.

The company was criticized by gay groups last year for a Dodge Caliber hatchback car ad in the United States that showed a little fairy turning a tough-looking man walking a large dog into a yellow-clad man walking four small dogs on pink leashes in the "Anything but Cute" campaign.

Last year, Chrysler's U.S. dealers criticized the company for its ads, saying they did not highlight the competitive features of the vehicles.

Chrysler's condemnation of the advertisement comes days after Atlanta Falcons football player Michael Vick was indicted over alleged involvement in a dog-fighting operation.

Vick has denied direct involvement in pitbull fights alleged to have taken place on property he owns in Virginia. The indictment in Richmond, Virginia, said dogs had been put to death by drowning, hanging, gunshot and electrocution. It also charged Vick and his associates with shooting dogs that did not pass muster after tests of their fighting ability.

Vick has no connection with Chrysler Group.

[Tarlam!]

Did the amount of hatred towards OJ affect his ability to receive a fair and unbiased trial. There are better things to go be disturbed about.

Are you serious? Two wrongs make a right, is that your argument?

Listen, you got 17 wives to care for. Do your thing.

[Scott Campbell]

Did the amount of hatred towards OJ affect his ability to receive a fair and unbiased trial. There are better things to go be disturbed about.

Are you serious? Two wrongs make a right, is that your argument?

Huh? My point is that if OJ can get a fair trial, so can Vick. Public outrage was not enough to convict the Juice.

[the_idle_threat]

Relax people ..... they're just dogs .....