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Originally posted by GrnBay007
Originally posted by Rastak
Originally posted by GrnBay007
Originally posted by Rastak
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I'm getting Betsy off of back window of my truck!Rat Trap for you Dude!!!!!!Karma 007.......Karma.......
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Re: GLIMPSE TO FUTURE--"""MANNING SOON TO SHR
When he does, Kenny Chesney will be SOOOOO happy!!!!Originally posted by Bretsky
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I think Manning has a shot - however - its a record for a reason.
First of all - take Favre's first full 16 game seasons vs. Mannings first full game seasons - only 6 TDs is the difference (that equates to less than a TD/seaons difference).
From a yardage standpoint (using the same years as above) - Manning has approx. a 240 yard/season advantage on Favre - an bigger advantage than the TDs - assuming he plays as many seasons as Favre - he may take the lead there.
To me - they are basically at the same point in both of their careers, with a slight average to Manning in yards.
However, we will see if the natural cyclical nature of the NFL does to the Colts what it did to the Packers.
Mind you - the Colts now have +20% of their cap in two players. Meanwhile, his number one weapon of choice - Harrison is on the wrong side of 34.
The NFL has a way of humbling its teams - and another 8 yrs is a lifetime in the NFL - where a team can go from the Superbowl to the 1st pick in the draft in a few years.
If the Colts do take a down-turn when Manning is 34, I can't imagine Manning enduring a 4 - 12 season - and coming back for more.
I think the reason why he won't break the record is less about his talent and more that he would retire before he plays enough seasons to beat Favre......And I think a lot of people are assuming this is Favre's last year - personally, I think he is coming back for one more after this season - but that is just a hunch.'Til the EndComment
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Oh well. Somebody will break Favre's records. I hope he doesn't beat Favre's soon-to-be wins record or consecutive games streak though. Those will be the two most important ones, I think."There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted ThompsonComment
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Originally posted by GrnBay007LOL!Originally posted by GBRulz
someone slip him some drugs so he gets busted.
That's why it's way too early to assume he will break all the records. Too much can happen in the amount of time it will take him to surpass Favre to consider it a lock. He'll have to get much closer before it becomes a foregone conclusion in my mind.Comment
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Manning is still young and close to his prime. Will he still produce at the same rate when he's Favre's age?
Favre has an all-world arm that has faded a bit but is still above average. Manning has never had much better than an average arm ... as he ages and loses velocity, will he produce even as well as Favre has in his later years?Comment
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Manning has a MUCH better than average arm. His arm strength is good, and his accuracy is phenomenal."There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted ThompsonComment
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I was talking arm strength, not accuracy. Nobody honestly believes he has a "laser rocket arm" except the people who write his commercials, and maybe you. :P He's a little above average now, and makes up for this relative weakness with uncanny accuracy. When his arm strength slips to a Jeff Garcia-like level, will he still be as effective? That's all I'm saying.Originally posted by HarveyWallbangersComment
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If Favre plays in 2008, it becomes much less likely that Manning will break all of the records. In fact, if Favre has a typical Favre year this year, it starts becoming less likely that Manning will play long enough to break all of the records.
Manning is already over 31 years old. At the start of his 17th season he would be 38 1/2 years old, older than Favre is now. It is by no means a given that he will complete 15 or 16 years, let alone 17. Funny things happen to athletes after they hit 35 years of age. Favre is pretty amazing for his production at his age. Kelly played 11 seasons, Aikman 12, Griese 13, Elway 15, Fouts 15. Marino played 17, but turned 38 after the start of his last season. Manning has enjoyed good health, but to assume he will be playing when he is almost 39 years old is really a bit much.
The stats they projected are simply taking his average over his first 9 seasons and applying that to 17 seasons. Particularly in TDs that is inaccurate. He had 49 the one season, but only topped 30 two other times, with 33 in 2000 and 31 last year. The other 6 seasons he had less than 30 TDs. It is more accurate to predict him to have his average over the 8 seasons not including the "anomaly" in 2004 with the 49 TD passes. You can also expect him to tail off at some point, they mostly all do.
Whenever Favre decides to retire, to break the records Manning will have to play at least about 5 seasons more. The longer Favre plays, the less likely that becomes, simply because of age.Comment
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He's got a lot more arm strength than a little above average. It's not Elway or Favre, but his arm strength is better than 90% of the QBs in the league. There's not a throw he can't make because of arm strength.Originally posted by the_idle_threat"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted ThompsonComment
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the whole post doesnt make any sense.. of course mannings stats are gonna average out to being higher than favre.. im sure favres averaged out to be a ton more than marino when he was at the prime of his career too. you people keep forgetting favres numbers now are on the norm for good QB's. Average out his first 8 seasons he played and see how high his numbers would be projected, please people use some common senseComment
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He also has two Pro Bowl receivers to throw to.Originally posted by HarveyWallbangersComment
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Well .... you'd think that the Queens were due to win a SB by now and that's never happenedOriginally posted by Rastak
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Manning has had a silver spoon in his mouth since he entered the league. Favre got the rusty one. What amazes me is that this will be Favre's 15th year as a starter and he is in better condition, has a stronger arm and is not even close to being a crybaby as Manning. Favre got his MVP's early on even though he has had spectacular seasons pretty much every year in the League regardless of the players around him, save the last two.Originally posted by BretskyOriginally posted by GrnBay007You are just a bundle of NON kool-aid posting lately.
No no no; this is nothing against Favre; he's one of the greatest all time. But Mannings run is pretty amazing
Can anyone argue that the Super Bowl MVP shouldn't be the guy who caused a fumble, was the closest player to recovering that fumble and the first player to RUN AWAY from the fumble? Favre would have tried to recover it but the MVP would have gone to someone else."Once the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic.”
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HAAHAAOriginally posted by GBRulzWell .... you'd think that the Queens were due to win a SB by now and that's never happenedOriginally posted by Rastak
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