Vick goes to court today....

[Harlan Huckleby]

It is a tremendous dilemma for Vick.

Ya, he either leaves the NFL now with 10M$ in the bank, or is allowed to return to the NFL and raise his net worh to 20M$ before he is retired.

I don't know what his finances actually look like, but I assure you his prospects are better than mine. Sure, it would be a drag to have to quit football now, but he has to fashion a life-after-football soon anyway. He has plenty of money to lead a comfortable life. We need to keep this "tragedy" in perspective.

I don't want to see Vick do a long prison sentence, I just don't care to see him in the NFL again.

[Rastak]

It is a tremendous dilemma for Vick.

Ya, he either leaves the NFL now with 10M$ in the bank, or is allowed to return to the NFL and raise his net worh to 20M$ before he is retired.

I don't know what his finances actually look like, but I assure you his prospects are better than mine. Sure, it would be a drag to have to quit football now, but he has to fashion a life-after-football soon anyway. He has plenty of money to lead a comfortable life. We need to keep this "tragedy" in perspective.

I don't want to see Vick do a long prison sentence, I just don't care to see him in the NFL again.

If he violated league policy the Falcons may be able to go after the 28mil they paid him in bonus money. I don't know how much he made or lost from his dog killing operation but I bet he doesn't have that laying around.

If he pleads guilty to running an interstate gambling opertaion he may NEVER play another down in the NFL again. They simply won't let him back.

[Harlan Huckleby]

If he violated league policy the Falcons may be able to go after the 28mil they paid him in bonus money.

I doubt the league would be successful. It's not going to be a black & white issue where the league recoups the whole bonus on a technical violation.

[Kiwon]

The heat is really on Vick now to cop a plea. The other three defendants are ready to take deals and guess who they will testify against?

Vick's lawyers say that they will take their case to trial on November 26, but they have to be worried. My prediction: Vick will be made a martyr for a while by the NAACP and others, but sometime before November 26 he will take a deal.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if after prison Vick doesn't play more football and get into other businesses and finally end up more popular than ever in the Black community. A prison stint is a resume enhancement to the hip-hop crowd.

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Vick's co-defendants set to enter plea agreements

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[Rastak]

If he violated league policy the Falcons may be able to go after the 28mil they paid him in bonus money.

I doubt the league would be successful. It's not going to be a black & white issue where the league recoups the whole bonus on a technical violation.

There is precident.....see the Ricky Williams case. It wouldn;t be the league recouping the money, it's the team. Imagine if you payed a guy 28 mil to do a job, and he commited a felony which prevented im from doing the job you paid him for. You'd do whatever you could to recover the money you paid for services NOT rendered.

[Rastak]

The heat is really on Vick now to cop a plea. The other three defendants are ready to take deals and guess who they will testify against?

Vick's lawyers say that they will take their case to trial on November 26, but they have to be worried. My prediction: Vick will be made a martyr for a while by the NAACP and others, but sometime before November 26 he will take a deal.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if after prison Vick doesn't play more football and get into other businesses and finally end up more popular than ever in the Black community. A prison stint is a resume enhancement to the hip-hop crowd.

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Vick's co-defendants set to enter plea agreements

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Kiwon, apparntly Vick has until Friday to plead guilty, if he refuses, they have additional charges they held back which carry 20 years in the clink ready to file. With seven guys lined up to tell the whole story before the jury, if he doesn't plead guilty this week he's an even bigger idot than I thought. And I thought he was a complete idiot.

That's a good tactic the Feds are using by holding back the more serious charges, man would that ever put pressure on a guy.

[Kiwon]

You're right, Ras. I forgot about the other charges. He's in a vise right now and the Feds are applying the pressure. He better swallow his pride and take a deal.

Like I mentioned before, no one will be happier to have this case disposed of quickly than the NFL. Their image has already suffered and they have a lot, and I mean a lot, of PR work to do.

Part of Vick's deal will have to include making a full confession. That will be very interesting indeed. That's when Vick will really be villified.

"Don't do the crime if you can't do the time" and get your reputation completely trashed.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Imagine if you payed a guy 28 mil to do a job, and he commited a felony which prevented im from doing the job you paid him for.

Ya, if Vick were to get a very long prison sentence that prevented him from fulfilling any portion of his contract I imagine the NFL could recover his bonus. I think that is unlikely.

[Rastak]

Imagine if you payed a guy 28 mil to do a job, and he commited a felony which prevented im from doing the job you paid him for.

Ya, if Vick were to get a very long prison sentence that prevented him from fulfilling any portion of his contract I imagine the NFL could recover his bonus. I think that is unlikely.

He'll go to prison for a while and get kicked out of the league. THAT's why they'll go after his bonus. If you get yourself kicked out of the league over a felony you're going to be asked to pay it back, unless Arthur Blank is in an extremely generous mood.

[Harlan Huckleby]

He'll go to prison for a while and get kicked out of the league. THAT's why they'll go after his bonus.

Ya, but the judge is not going to give them back the entire bonus. If the team chooses not to re-employ Vick when he's out of stir, they can't expect to reclaim the entire bonus.

[Rastak]

He'll go to prison for a while and get kicked out of the league. THAT's why they'll go after his bonus.

Ya, but the judge is not going to give them back the entire bonus. If the team chooses not to re-employ Vick when he's out of stir, they can't expect to reclaim the entire bonus.

If he is kicked out of the league the arbitrator is probably going find him in breach of his contract and order him to pay at back the bonus like Ricky Williams was.


It works like this:
Pay the money back, get cut, if you ever get reinstated you negotiate a new deal to replace the one you were found to have violated by commiting a felony and getting youself booted and imprisoned.




He'll never see a 28mil signing bonus, that's for sure. I doubt he plays another down in the NFL. Just my opinion.

[MadtownPacker]

The "dirty" birds management knew what vick was all about. They should just let him have what he got already. Maybe they aren't the innocent victims they are being made out to be. You gotta think word of vick's activities would eventually get back to them somehow. They are morons after they let him flip off the fans. Should have dumped vick (which they are gonna do now anyways) and kept Schaub and you KNOW they where thinking about it before all this shit even came out. Arthur Blank had a huge crush on his overrated QB so let him rot with him!

[Harlan Huckleby]

If he is kicked out of the league the arbitrator is probably going find him in breach of his contract and order him to pay at back the bonus like Ricky Williams was.

Ricky Williams case very different - he breached contract by refusing to play. Vick will be available and willing to play.

I agree with you that Vick probably won't play football again, although maybe colored by some willful thinking on our part.

I'm pretty sure you are mistaken about the money.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Madtown, you and Rastak are both just trying to keep the black man down.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

If he is kicked out of the league the arbitrator is probably going find him in breach of his contract and order him to pay at back the bonus like Ricky Williams was.

Ricky Williams case very different - he breached contract by refusing to play. Vick will be available and willing to play.

I agree with you that Vick probably won't play football again, although maybe colored by some willful thinking on our part.

I'm pretty sure you are mistaken about the money.

Harlan, on this one you are mistaken. He will be forced t repay the bonus. Teams go after that bonus money all the time: Lelie, McArdell, Owens, Plummer, Foley, etc.

The Falcons may not choose to find Vick in default of his contract, by giving him written permission to miss practices..the NFL impaired the falcons from getting some of the signing bonus when they asked him not to show. But the Falcons still hold the option to recover bonus money at a later date, but as time goes on, the potential money recovered will decrease.