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  • #91
    From Atlanta Journel Constitution


    Vick attorneys negotiating plea
    Falcons QB would serve prison time if agreement reached

    By D. ORLANDO LEDBETTER, BILL RANKIN
    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

    Published on: 08/14/07

    Michael Vick's attorneys are engaged in plea negotiations with federal prosecutors and the Falcons quarterback could reach an agreement before new dogfighting charges are handed down next week, according to a person with knowledge of the negotiations.

    The negotiations follow news that two more of Vick's three co-defendants are scheduled to enter guilty pleas later this week as part of a deal with prosecutors.


    Associated Press
    If prosecutors accept a plea agreement from Michael Vick, the Falcons QB will likely serve some prison time, according to federal sentencing guidelines.


    Collins Spencer, a spokesman for Vick's lawyers, declined to comment Tuesday on any possible negotiations.

    He added that Vick did not meet with his attorneys last night but said they will have a conference call with Vick this morning and may have an announcement this afternoon. Spencer did not indicate what the announcement would be.

    On Monday Spencer said the legal team was "very surprised" by the pleas from Purnell Peace and Quanis Phillips and said they would not affect plans to move forward toward a Nov. 26 trial.

    Vick's lead attorney, Billy Martin, could not be reached for comment.

    If the announcement is that Vick has reached a plea agreement, the embattled star quarterback is expected to be sentenced to some time in prison, according to federal sentencing guidelines.

    Vick's motivation to enter a guilty plea is likely fueled by the U.S. Attorney's Office announcement last month that it will seek a new "superseding" indictment against Vick by the end of August. With the cooperation of Vick's three co-defendants, there will likely be new, and more specific, allegations against Vick. The federal grand jury in Richmond is expected to hand up that indictment sometime early next week.

    If Vick can reach an agreement by the end of this week, he would not have to answer to any additional charges.

    This week, Vick learned that in the criminal justice system, friendship only goes so far.

    On Monday, guilty plea hearings were scheduled for two of his co-defendants and long-time associates. Peace, 35, of Virginia Beach, has a plea hearing scheduled for Thursday in U.S. District Court in Richmond at 9 a.m., while Phillips, 28, of Atlanta, has a plea hearing set for Friday at the same time. The hearings showed up Monday on U.S. District Court Judge Henry E. Hudson's docket.

    The third co-defendant, Tony Taylor, 34, of Hampton pleaded guilty July 30 and agreed to cooperate with prosecutors in their case against Vick. Just days earlier, Taylor had joined Vick and the others in pleading not guilty.

    Attorneys for both Peace and Phillips declined to comment Monday.

    "There's no telling until the actual pleas, but this doesn't sound like good news for Michael Vick," said Kent Alexander, once the U.S. attorney in Atlanta and now Emory University's general counsel. "Usually, if people plead guilty early in a case they may be cooperating with the government. That's what it sounds like here."

    A federal grand jury indicted the men last month on a single count of conspiracy to cross state lines to engage in illegal gambling; to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture; and to buy, transport and receive dogs for animal fighting.

    They face up to five years in prison and $250,000 in fines, but defendants often receive more lenient punishment when they accept responsibility and enter guilty pleas.

    A 13-page statement of facts Taylor signed with prosecutors last month says Vick, Peace and Phillips set up a business called "Bad Newz Kennels" in rural Surry County, Va., to raise and train pit bulls for dogfights.

    It also says the men gambled on the fights in Virginia and several other states and that Vick almost exclusively funded the dogfighting operation and gambling monies.

    At various times, Taylor, Peace and Phillips executed dogs they didn't think would fight well by shooting them, the statement says. The indictment issued earlier in July said Vick also executed dogs.

    The plea deals for Taylor, Peace and Phillips emerged after federal prosecutors announced at their arraignment hearing last month that they would be seeking a superseding indictment, meaning they could name additional charges and defendants in the case. That indictment is expected to be announced before the end of this month.

    Vick's jury trial is scheduled for Nov. 26, deep into the Falcons' schedule. The Falcons will have played 11 of their 16 regular-season games by then. Vick will remain free until the trial, but his availability to appear on field is unclear. The NFL barred Vick, with pay, from being with the team pending the outcome of its own investigation.

    A call to Vick's agent, Joel Segal, was not returned Monday. The Falcons declined to comment on the latest developments in Vick's case.

    NFL commissioner Roger Goodell is expected to make a decision on Vick's future in a few weeks. Goodell said he is waiting for a report from investigator Eric Holder before rendering a verdict, according to a league spokesman. No timetable has been set for Goodell's decision, NFL vice president of public relations Greg Aiello said.

    Tailback Warrick Dunn, who spoke to Vick recently, said Falcons players are already of the mindset that they'll have to play without him.

    "Mike is going to be missed, and he has been missed, but at the same time, you have to go on," he said.

    Should Holder's report lead Goodell to determine Vick violated the NFL's player conduct policy, he could issue a suspension. Holder's report also could show that Vick did not violate the policy and that no league-ordered suspension or other discipline is warranted.

    A high-ranking NFL team official said Goodell likely would meet with Vick or his legal representation before levying any suspension. Such a meeting has yet to take place.

    Falcons owner Arthur Blank and president and general manager Rich McKay have said they had enough information to lead them to draw up papers to suspend Vick for four games — the maximum a team can suspend a player for disciplinary reasons. The league could suspend Vick for a year.

    Blank and McKay also said there were discussions about cutting Vick.

    Coach Bobby Petrino said Monday he had not been told of any developments from the NFL regarding a decision on Vick.

    "I'm not aware of any recent updates on this situation," Petrino said.

    "We've been proceeding as if — we have to — he's not going to be here, and we're doing the best we can at that."

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    • #92
      Interesting take from the ESPN legal guy.....



      Two of Michael Vick's co-defendants in a massive dogfighting conspiracy indictment have indicated they will plead guilty and might testify against Vick in a trial that begins Nov. 26 in Richmond, Va. Purnell Peace, 35, and Quanis Phillips, 28, will appear before U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson later this week to admit their participation in a scheme of breeding, training, fighting and executing pit bull terriers that went on for six years in five states. Their actions raise a number of questions for Vick, who is considering his own plea. Here are some of the questions and the answers:



      What do these anticipated guilty pleas mean for Vick?



      These developments are terrible news for Vick. He already was caught in a bad situation with five witnesses ready to testify against him. The five included four who cooperated early with the government and helped federal prosecutors with the devastating details in the 18-page indictment. Then, two weeks ago, Tony Taylor, another of Vick's co-defendants, agreed to admit guilt and testify against Vick. Taylor, according to the indictment, worked with Vick to establish the dogfighting operation less than eight weeks after Vick signed his first NFL contract. Adding Peace and Phillips to these five witnesses leaves Vick in a legal checkmate. He is surrounded by hostile forces. There might be no escape from the brutal charges against him. Peace and Phillips are mentioned a total of 94 times in the indictment. Their testimony puts Vick in the middle of the scheme from its beginning in June 2001 until it ended with a police raid this past April.



      With seven witnesses lined up against him, what should Vick do?



      Vick should be assessing the same realities that led Peace and Phillips to plead guilty. Sources have told ESPN that Vick is deciding whether to consider the possibility a jail sentence of less than one year. Government prosecutors want a jail sentence of more than one year, according to ESPN sources, and Vick's lawyers have suggested to him that he seriously consider a jail sentence of less than one year. Vick has a difficult decision to make. Unless he is caught in some level of denial or delusion, Vick must be looking hard at the idea of admitting guilt and considering an outcome that would allow him to preserve some fraction of his career in the NFL. Vick has the money and the lawyers to put up a powerful fight, but they are up against a massive and impressive investigation as well as the seven witnesses. Billy Martin, Vick's lead lawyer, has done wonders in a courtroom, but the government's case against Vick provides scant opportunity for creating the kind of "reasonable doubt" that can lead to a not guilty verdict. A jury likely would be outraged by the brutality of the evidence and impressed with its substance and its gravity. It would not be a big surprise if Vick entered a guilty plea within the next several days.



      Why would Vick's friends and cohorts in the alleged dogfighting enterprise decide to admit their guilt?



      It must have been difficult for Peace and Phillips to decide to admit their culpability and agree to testify against Vick. It was Vick's name and money that made the alleged operation possible. Peace and Phillips are high school dropouts who, according to the indictment, performed various chores for Bad Newz Kennels for six years, enjoying the excitement of the dark side of celebrity. Without Vick, none of it would have been possible. Both must have felt they owed Vick something, but both decided to help themselves even if it meant hurting Vick. Their decisions will allow them to avoid the cost and the agony of a trial and reduce their possible time in prison. Their decisions were based on difficult realities. If the case goes to trial, the prosecutors will suggest that their decisions were painful acts of integrity that will help eradicate dogfighting in America.



      What will happen now to Peace and Phillips?



      When they appear in court in Richmond later this week, Peace and Phillips will present signed plea agreements to Hudson. They will promise to tell the entire truth about the alleged dogfighting operation to agents of the U.S. Department of Agriculture and federal prosecutors. In return, they will claim they are entitled to leniency in the sentences that result from their admissions. Both have prior criminal convictions and face serious prison time under federal sentencing guidelines. If they help the government and are not caught in any lies, they can expect their prison time to be cut in half.



      What's next? Can it get any worse for Vick?



      Yes, it could get worse in a hurry. The federal prosecutors in Richmond are preparing a new set of charges, known in legal terms as a superseding indictment. The new charges could come any day. The new charges might include a racketeering allegation under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (known as RICO). RICO originally was designed as a weapon against organized-crime hoodlums but has been used frequently in other prosecutions. A charge under RICO would make Vick's situation significantly worse. It would make the government's case against him easier to prove, and it would increase the prison sentence Vick would face if convicted.

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      • #93
        From PFT.com

        rastak: Why the hell would the league agree to even THINK about discussing this matter with Vick and his lawyers...and the Feds?
        First time they called the league office I;d hang up....then hang up, then hang up.....




        VICK'S LAWYERS INCLUDING LEAGUE IN PLEA TALKS?

        In an updated item on its web site, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution suggests that Mike Vick's legal team is trying not only to secure a prison stay of less than a year, but also to salvage Vick's NFL career.

        The AJC points out that such an approach would require the NFL's involvement, since the league's disciplinary process is independent of the legal system. But it's unclear whether the league is inclined to participate in any such deal.

        The only thing that the league would have to gain from such an approach would be to ensure that Vick doesn't blow the lid off of a suspected dog-fighting subculture among NFL players. Instead, Vick would plead guilty, keep his mouth shut, do his time, and return to the NFL at the end of a suspension of agreed length.

        But even if the league were to consent to, for example, a one-year suspension to be served during the one year that Vick is in prison, that doesn't mean that he'd ultimately get a gig with another team.

        Though we love redemption stories (see Albert, Marv), Vick allegedly killed Lassie. Multiple Lassies, actually. Can any NFL team justify bringing this guy on board, ever?

        Our guess (hope) is that the league will, in the end, refuse to enter into any deals with Vick. Mike made this mess, for himself and for the league. The league shouldn't now help him get the lightest possible penalty for his actions.

        In addition to the NFL, it also would be wise for the Vick team to be talking to Virginia authorities about joining in any agreement with the feds. Even if Vick pleads guilty to pending federal charges, he still faces multiple possible counts of animal cruelty under Virginia law. And those potential charges apply regardless of the outcome of the federal charges.

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        • #94
          More from PFT.com


          VICK OFFER INCLUDES AT LEAST ONE YEAR OF PRISON

          The Virginian-Pilot reports that federal prosecutors have offered to Mike Vick a plea deal that will include a recommendation of a sentence of at least one year in prison.

          Vick has until 9:00 a.m. EDT on Friday, August 17 to accept the deal, or to face additional charges.

          There were reports on Tuesday that Vick's lawyers wanted a deal that would entail less than one year in jail. Earlier on Wednesday, a report emerged that Vick's legal team is divided on whether he should plead guilty. Our take on that specific information leak is that the Vick P.R. machine (to the extent that there even is one) realizes that news of such a split is necessary to support the eventual conclusion that Vick didn't do it.

          Dave Forster of the Virginian-Pilot explained on MSNBC moments ago that Vick would be required to plead guilty to the pending conspiracy charges, which include conspiracy to maintain an interstate gambling operation and conspiracy to engage in interstate dog fighting.


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          LEAGUE WON'T PLAY "LET'S MAKE A DEAL"

          Though Mike Vick's lawyers had been shooting for a plea deal that would entail less than a year of jail for Vick and a negotiated suspension with the NFL that would allow Vick to return to pro football, Chris Mortensen of ESPN reports that Commissioner Roger Goodell "refuses" to engage in such negotiations.

          Instead, the league will continue with its own investigation, and will also monitor developments in court.

          If Vick pleads guilty to conspiracy charges based on interstate gambling, he could be on the wrong end of a lifetime ban from the NFL.

          Then again, the Commish probably doesn't need to go that far. We simply can't imagine any team hoping to make more money than it spends choosing to give Vick a chance to return to the NFL. Ever.

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          • #95
            Well, it clearly obvious shithead was running a gambling ring based on killing dogs......pft.com had an interesting thing. This is posted in the Steelers locker room, and most likely in all locker rooms.





            Do you think his little operation discredited the NFL? Did you notice the "banned for life" part?

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
              Originally posted by Rastak
              He'll go to prison for a while and get kicked out of the league. THAT's why they'll go after his bonus.
              Ya, but the judge is not going to give them back the entire bonus. If the team chooses not to re-employ Vick when he's out of stir, they can't expect to reclaim the entire bonus.


              I'm not so sure Harlan. First, he likely violated a personal conduct clause in his contract - putting him in breach. Second, if the NFL suspends him for life, the team has no choice on re-employment. He's not eligible to be a Falcon if he's in jail, or banned.

              They can't take back the pro-rated portion that he's already earned throught the 06 season. But the rest of it is probably at risk.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by MadtownPacker
                The "dirty" birds management knew what vick was all about. They should just let him have what he got already.

                They may have known, but that is exactly why they put personal conduct clauses in contracts. He may end up getting to keep some or all of his unearned portion of his signing bonus. But I don't think it's a slam dunk.

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                • #98
                  I hope Vick comes out of this mess with some money to live on.

                  The NFL is a legal monopoly, which means they can't throw their weight around too much. I doubt that the NFL is going to try and reclaim the salary Vick has been paid AND prevent him from working again. I expect they'll be satisfied to get rid of the guy.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                    I hope Vick comes out of this mess with some money to live on.

                    The NFL is a legal monopoly, which means they can't throw their weight around too much. I doubt that the NFL is going to try and reclaim the salary Vick has been paid AND prevent him from working again. I expect they'll be satisfied to get rid of the guy.

                    I hope he's broke and has to beg on the streets. What an asshole.


                    To be clear, the NFL isn't going to go after his salary.....the team he totally fucked over will. THEY paid him the money, not the league. He accepted 28 million dollars to play and abide by the rules. BZZZZTTTTT, he loses. As Scott pointed out, Mr shithead assured himself a place far away from the NFL after they paid him a ton of money to perform in the NFL. His own fault.

                    Just think about it for a damn minute HH. The dude is paid many millions of dollars, why in the flying f^&& would he run a completely illegal business which violates racketering laws for 6 frickin years? It's a gambling opertion.

                    Hell, I'm not in the league and I know you can get booted forever for that.





                    Can't uphold your end of the bargin you don't get to keep the money.

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                    • I think SC is probably close on teh money thing. If he's banned by the NFL, the team can probably seek whatever prorated part of his bonus that his actions stopped him from being able to play. He's probably spent a lot of money. I wouldn't be suprised if Vick finds himself broke within 5 or 10.

                      The best would be if he doesn't take the plea bargain and the Feds go all out. If they slap him with the interstate felonies and such, he is looking at a lot longer than one or two years. 6 years in prison would be a good punishment for Vick.
                      Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                      • Originally posted by JustinHarrell
                        I think SC is probably close on teh money thing. If he's banned by the NFL, the team can probably seek whatever prorated part of his bonus that his actions stopped him from being able to play. He's probably spent a lot of money. I wouldn't be suprised if Vick finds himself broke within 5 or 10.

                        Try the minute they ask for the 28 mil back, which will be while he is in a cell, by the way. It ain't gonna take 5 years.

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                        • Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                          I doubt that the NFL is going to try and reclaim the salary Vick has been paid AND prevent him from working again.

                          The NFL wouldn't reclaim the money, the Falcons would. And they wouldn't try to reclaim any earned salary. They're only potentially entitled to a refund of the unearned pro-rated portion of the signing "bonus".

                          Even though you're paid the bonus up front, you still have to earn it over the life of the contract - unless you're cut.

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                          • Originally posted by Rastak


                            TThe dude is paid many millions of dollars, why in the flying f^&& would he run a completely illegal business which violates racketering laws for 6 frickin years? It's a gambling opertion.
                            There are tons of ways to gamble legally. I don't think these guys that get into the dog fights are there simply for the gambling. In fact, I'd love to hear what some expert shrink has to say about what the attraction is in this sick thing they do. The actual gambling part of it is probably a small percentage of the equation.

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                            • Originally posted by JustinHarrell
                              I think SC is probably close on teh money thing.

                              Just to be clear, I think the Falcons will have a strong case, but I'm not sure they'll win.

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                              • Where the hell is Patler? He's better at this stuff.

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